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Old 14th Apr 2019, 10:37
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Once again, can you explain how it is a failing project
Kendrick can you explain why it is not?

Focus is very much on SAIL in the ongoing negotiations between SAS management and unions.
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Old 14th Apr 2019, 10:40
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Originally Posted by HippoDK View Post
Kendrick can you explain why it is not?

Focus is very much on SAIL in the ongoing negotiations between SAS management and unions.
I have no dog in the fight, just looking for information.

I can see how mainline pilots would want it to fail as it undermines them, but not actually how it is failing
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Old 21st Apr 2019, 14:13
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Anybody heard galley fm about getting direct employment with SAS UK and SAS Spain?
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Old 27th Apr 2019, 06:46
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Originally Posted by kendrick47247 View Post


Once again, can you explain how it is a failing project
I don’t need to elaborate on this. You’ll see soon enough now. SAS management is not as smart as it thinks. The economical fundamentals in SAS are now in order, and a company structure without the failing SAIL “project” is where the company will end up. The SAIL project was “accepted” at time when things were very different - that time has gone. Wait and see. Good luck to all - no matter what boat you’re in.
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Old 27th Apr 2019, 07:16
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What about the SAS strike , how will this affect SAIL, when airlines are struggling as it is . They couldn’t have chosen a worst moment when everyone returning from Easter break? Perhaps beginning of the end ? This is going to hit the SAS mainline pockets hard.
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Old 27th Apr 2019, 09:00
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What about the SAS strike , how will this affect SAIL, when airlines are struggling as it is . They couldn’t have chosen a worst moment when everyone returning from Easter break? Perhaps beginning of the end ? This is going to hit the SAS mainline pockets hard.
from standby nordic:

¨673 flights affected
All members of the pilot unions have been called out on strike which means that most domestic, European and all long-haul flights have been canceled. The strike does not include flights operated by SAS external partners, which make up approximately 30 percent of all departures.

External partners are Air Nostrum, CityJet, Flybe, Regional Jet/Nordica and Scandinavian Airlines Ireland and flights operated by these parnters during Friday equals to a total of 334.¨

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Old 27th Apr 2019, 11:00
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I think You are a little misinformed about SAS.
In 2012 ca late September if I am not mistaken, SAS was Bankrupt , for all practical purposes.
That weekend all Unions and Management sat down and eventually agreed to a massive pay cut!
The Pilots took the biggest one
Long story,,,,
Fast-forward to 2018.
Biggest EVER profit in SAS history!!

Now the pilots want a fair pay.
But also a roster that is predictable as SAS runs the old fashion roster and the crew can not plan much on their time off.
Also Union wants SAS Ireland culled.
And a lot of other stuff, I suppose.
SAS is one of the best run Airlines in Europe and is doing good, my friend.
There is major issues for the Union with regards to SASIreland but they are solid.
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Old 27th Apr 2019, 12:44
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Don’t think so . Profits made in 2018 however granted
https://www.sasgroup.net/en/wp-conte...nce-190227.pdf

plus a strike costing how much Per day ? Understandably they want a pay rise of course and a share in the profits , but a lot of these profits were made because of SAIL and much lower wage structures and operating costs .So in my view not the best run airline in Europe to the contrary ,
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Old 27th Apr 2019, 14:23
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plus a strike costing how much Per day ? Understandably they want a pay rise of course and a share in the profits , but a lot of these profits were made because of SAIL and much lower wage structures and operating costs .So in my view not the best run airline in Europe to the contrary ,
Thinking a bit highly of yourself there, don't ya?

One thing is for certain; the Deputy CEO of SAS Group, one of the pilot group's pet peeve, was not kind in his words towards Cityjet and SAIL last summer. Their regularity sucked.. Yet SAS did a decent profit.

Truth is, none of us here really knows much about the financials. Who is bleeding money and who isn't. SAIL is still dumping the social contract (i.e. Scandinavian Model) up north. We don't like it.

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Old 27th Apr 2019, 14:36
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Perhaps you should then, anyway mate just stating the obvious whomever is right or wrong the strike is going to cost

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Old 28th Apr 2019, 21:40
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If I was a SAIL pilot, I would be worried right now. It is payback time in The Real SAS. The acceptance is gone and SAS management will give in. I’ve been there, done that, and seen it all before.
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Old 28th Apr 2019, 22:56
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Originally Posted by ZAV View Post
Don’t think so . Profits made in 2018 however granted
https://www.sasgroup.net/en/wp-conte...nce-190227.pdf

plus a strike costing how much Per day ? Understandably they want a pay rise of course and a share in the profits , but a lot of these profits were made because of SAIL and much lower wage structures and operating costs .So in my view not the best run airline in Europe to the contrary ,
One of the big issues is that SAIL have 5/4 roster, while they are not offering this to mainland SAS, they are more or less on random roster, guaranteed one weekend a month off.

I seem to recall stories of lots of SAIL flights having to be cancelled or replaced by mainland SAS.
I am pretty sure that if the Union gets their way, they will go for the kill of SAIL, as I have very reliable sources on what they Union thinks of SAIL. And considering current circumstances, I can't disagree, and this is nothing personal, it's not the people working for SAIL that's at fault, it's just the structure and unscrupulous actions by SAS management who have created this unwanted airline as a part of SAS.

But I would not be surprised if SAIL could become a casualty of the current war, or at least they will suffer slightly because of this current situation.
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Old 29th Apr 2019, 03:50
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Apparently it wasn’t all SAIL’s fault. Late airbus deliveries yada yada yada. 1st one was 3 months late and so on.

But also coming from from a senior SAS Ops guy, SAS offloaded too much to SAIL as they had their own crewing issues especially in Stockholm. Then SAIL guys refused to work days off until their contracts improved. All made for a perfect storm.

Good luck to SAS guys.
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Old 29th Apr 2019, 05:49
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Sorry Zunlimited why is it that SAIL would be the casualty out of all this , why not mainline SAS? As presume that SAIL is cost effective,
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Old 29th Apr 2019, 06:58
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Sorry Zunlimited why is it that SAIL would be the casualty out of all this , why not mainline SAS? As presume that SAIL is cost effective,
So If SAIL has a better productivity and lower operating costs why SAS is not registering more of the new a320 neo deliveries in Republic of Ireland?
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Old 29th Apr 2019, 07:46
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Expansion at SAIL is controlled by union agreement. If SAIL adds more aircraft tomorrow without union agreement with mainline pilots, there would be lawsuits in addition to strikes.
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Old 29th Apr 2019, 08:35
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Originally Posted by Superpilot View Post
Expansion at SAIL is controlled by union agreement. If SAIL adds more aircraft tomorrow without union agreement with mainline pilots, there would be lawsuits in addition to strikes.

There is already a lawsuit against CAE in Spain for employing 26 out of 40 cabin crew without contract of employment...
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Old 29th Apr 2019, 13:38
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There is already a lawsuit against CAE in Spain for employing 26 out of 40 cabin crew without contract of employment...
why can't they just put the SAIL guys onto a mainline contract and have them join the union???
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Old 29th Apr 2019, 13:52
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Originally Posted by polax52 View Post
why can't they just put the SAIL guys onto a mainline contract and have them join the union???
Very good question
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Old 29th Apr 2019, 18:58
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Originally Posted by polax52 View Post
why can't they just put the SAIL guys onto a mainline contract and have them join the union???
I guess the main issue with that would be that very few of the SAIL pilots would accept the 3500€ payment.(including per diem, lol, etc.) 😂
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