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Old 26th Oct 2015, 16:39
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Thanks, I am not too worried about direct employment and all that nonsense, more about keeping the tax affairs in order, especially with the purge on these so called Self employed pilots.. looking at the figures, based on between 10 and 11k Euro a month, converted to GBP it works out about 5k to 5.5 K a month after UK Tax, which, I think is reasonable, other astronauts may feel different, but that's their choice.
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Old 26th Oct 2015, 17:37
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Any B787 Capt that could shed light on approximate take home each month? Living in UK paying UK tax?

I don't work there, but the take home pay will be 4960 pounds (for a Captain) if you are married. This was using a tax calculator online.

it works out about 5k to 5.5 K a month after UK Tax, which, I think is reasonable, other astronauts may feel different, but that's their choice
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If you think this is "reasonable" based in one of the most expensive cities in the world, then good luck to you. We're all entitled to our opinions. With a family, renting a house in any of the suburbs within reasonable distance will cost you a fair chunk of your net pay.

If you think I'm an Astronaut for wanting/thinking the package should be significantly more, well then, I'm Neil Armstrong. Because I think it should be more, a lot more!! I mean, it's not even a permanent job FFS I'd get laughed at trying to get a loan. By nature, contracts should pay more due to the temporary nature/lack of job security.

No wonder the industry has gone to the dogs with what is considered as reasonable by some here.

Some guys on great pensions from legacy carriers I have met, always seem happy to "top up their pension" with some of these gigs. To them it's ok, as its "fun money". They don't give a rats about guys earning this money as their sole income. They have not a clue about reality for the younger guys that didn't catch the gravy train.

Stay away from flight school kids!!!! My son decided to be an Electrician, and I'm just so happy he won't be joining this crap circus. Tradesman over a future as an airline pilot. Easy choice these days I think.
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Old 26th Oct 2015, 20:21
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twenty, I agree with you.
Unfortunately there are a lot people like Avenger who are taking the industry
down the tubes.
I hope they pay good for it.
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Old 26th Oct 2015, 21:53
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Hi,
It's three years with agency, then open ended contract with another.
Captain pay after UK tax / NI is around 5.9k
 
Old 27th Oct 2015, 01:17
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Big que to join NLH now . Most DEC ex Middle East or far east inc China. Oh And the ex legacy bunch just to add to the numbers.

Based on this , Pay could actually go down. Its how the industry has operated over the last 10 yrs.

6k take home is as good as you can get working for a uk based carrier , right?
Gatwick isnt London . And driving 30 mins puts you in some affordable and adorable parts of sussex .
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Old 27th Oct 2015, 02:57
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Very questionable attitude guys, play the ball, not the player..This is a forum, it does not mean everyone has to agree.. what is " acceptable" depends on individual circumstances, NLH seem to have plenty of applicants that know the score beforehand and one assumes they also find this " acceptable" . The pay is about 70 percent of my current pay, however, taking into account living overseas as opposed to a no mortgage house at home, not paying to store cars etc, it works out the same. With an existing FSP, anything above this is taxed at a high rate in any event. Of course, there are much younger skippers that need more money, but once again, personal choice. People like me to do "drag the industry standards down", in reality we probably raise them as our focus is towards professional standards and safe operations not simply pocket deep issues. Of course, I expect incoming flak, but I would rather fly with a contented lower paid individual than a flogged soldier constantly complaining about their lot. Personal sacrifices are made taking into account the big picture and I am happy to drive a 5 year old banger rather than the latest model BMW. Unfortunately, for some, success in this industry is not measured by what you have achieved, more by what you can buy..or afford to buy..helmet on!
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Old 27th Oct 2015, 07:54
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Fade to grey: you say take home pay will be 5900 Pounds. How do you arrive at that figure, as I am putting in 7500 gross into an online tax calculator and its saying 4960 pounds. Admittedly each ones situation will be slightly different, but a thousand pounds is a lot? Are you including the per diem alowance? Or am i missing something?
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Old 27th Oct 2015, 08:03
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I'm including the whole ball park in that number
 
Old 27th Oct 2015, 10:21
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If you think this is "reasonable" based in one of the most expensive cities in the world, then good luck to you
Let's get this straight - it's not based in the city is it? And therefore does not come with the stratospheric cost of living well there in terms of property. You would have to be utterly mad to base yourself in central London for a LGW job. There are plenty of towns and villages in the Sussex/Surrey countryside where 5k+ take home would get you a rather nice property.
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Old 27th Oct 2015, 13:06
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You say affordable down near gatwick for 5k - 5.5k a month...but tie in the fact that there is no pension so you have to save for your future yourself. There's a chunk coming out every month before you've even started. 6k sounds like it would be ok, but any less than 5k isn't worth it, not for a non-permanent contract. If they had a pension scheme and a permanent contract, 5k a month might be ok (ish).
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Old 27th Oct 2015, 13:42
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Let's be honest. Most long haul FO's earn in the region of 5000 per month, many earning significantly more (and that includes a pension). For a captain to be earning that is derisory.
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Old 27th Oct 2015, 19:36
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There are plenty of towns and villages in the Sussex/Surrey countryside where 5k+ take home would get you a rather nice property.
Yeah, it is an "ok" salary, but that is all. But for an experienced Airline Captain, your comment is ####### ridiculous. People like you make me shake my head in shame and see why the industry is, and has been well and truly F######! No pension and no permanent Job and you still think this salary is ok?!

And by the way, how does one get a Mortgage for these "cheaper" areas exactly?? The Banks will not take to eagerly to a three year contract.

Bend over lads, smile and be happy to be paid to fly a new Jet
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Old 28th Oct 2015, 05:08
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The salary on offer, will be OK for expats who have a pile of cash in the bank, investments producing income and no mortgage on primary residence.This is the candidate NLH are trying to attract. And successfully so.

Its also ok for blinkered vision Fos who feel they can always get a job anywhere with a 787 rating.

I agree though, the salary hopeless if you don't have the 500K downpayment to allow you to get that mortgage on your dream residence in east sussex.

Terrace house in crawley anyone?
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Old 28th Oct 2015, 08:33
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Bear in mind that the banks are stopping lending to contracts that are not in sterling this year, there is currently only 1 lender in the country that will but soon they will stop too.
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Old 28th Oct 2015, 09:15
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5k take home in London/SE is not a King's ransom given sky-high house prices in that part of the UK.

I live north of London and work out of STN. In this beautiful, uncongested part of the country house prices are 30% lower and my 5.5k as a youthful 737 skipper is tolerable.

But I've always said you'd have to give me at least a 20k pay rise to encourage me south of the Thames. Take away my stable family-friendly 5/4 roster and I'd want at least 30k extra.

Horses for courses.
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Old 28th Oct 2015, 10:24
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Yeah, it is an "ok" salary, but that is all. But for an experienced Airline Captain, your comment is ####### ridiculous. People like you make me shake my head in shame and see why the industry is, and has been well and truly F######! No pension and no permanent Job and you still think this salary is ok?!
Er hang on a second, please point out to me where I've said that 5k is just fine for an experienced airline captain?! Or anything other than what 5k take home might get you. I'm not in the industry. I was trying to make the point that citing the LGW base as a negative because you're based in one of the most expensive cities in the world is not true. Yes housing is more expensive in the SE but as I said you'd have to be mad to base yourself in central London for a LGW job. That was all. A little balance.
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Old 28th Oct 2015, 10:49
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Er hang on a second, please point out to me where I've said that 5k is just fine for an experienced airline captain?!
Well as this is a Pilots Forum, and we're talking about the Captains salary, and they require experienced Captains. Therefore you have to be inferring it's an ok salary for an Experienced Captain.

A little balance
Compared to what?
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Old 28th Oct 2015, 12:59
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You have inferred that, I have inferred nothing. Come back when you've actually read my 2nd post as to what my point actually was.

Trying to balance histrionics with facts.
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Old 28th Oct 2015, 17:54
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So you think 5k is ok to get a "rather nice property" in Surrey. Great, good for you. This is a Pilots forum, we are talking specifically about NLH package for a Captain. So if you are not inferring anything regarding the salary of a Widebody Captain, you're clearly in the wrong forum sight.

Pardon me for thinking you were referring to an Wide Body Captains salary in this forum, even though that's what we're talking about

As to your "Histrionics", I've spent some time in Surrey, and let me assure you the cost of living is up there with the highest in the world (Real estate aside), so I don't think it's too Melodramatic to say it's a basing in one of the most expensive cities in the world.
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Old 28th Oct 2015, 18:00
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Implied, not inferred.
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