Norwegian B787 - LGW based
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From: A hemisphere
Silly calling someone numb nuts for quoting a figure that the agency is advertising.
Here is a copy and paste from Rishworth:
Contract terms
Gross Salary
Commander: £7470 per month.
Per Diem
£830 per month.
If you have anything worthwhile to add regarding something we don't know, I'd love for you to enlighten us
Here is a copy and paste from Rishworth:
Contract terms
Gross Salary
Commander: £7470 per month.
Per Diem
£830 per month.
If you have anything worthwhile to add regarding something we don't know, I'd love for you to enlighten us
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From: A hemisphere
Although I am/was keen on returning to Europe after many years overseas, this money is just hard to justify when you realise what you get after tax. I guess if they can fill the seats though, it isn't going to change.
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From: Sydney
It is unlikely the terms and conditions will change anytime soon. Despite the various pilot representative groups uniting and "joining forces" as the Norwegian Pilot Group, their recognition was dismissed by Kjos and his cronies.
In a letter to the US DoT on 10 June this year, the Secretary of the European Transport Workers Federation, Francois Ballestero, stated:
"The Spain based pilots have organized themselves under SEPLA, the Spanish Pilots Union, and have made repeated attempts to engage Norwegian, or representatives of Norwegian, for the purpose of constructive talks. For the past six months these repeated attempts have been ignored by Norwegian.
As a reply to the efforts of the pilot representatives, Norwegian has stated that it does not have any pilots based in Spain, but a company called OSM does".
Norwegian's Communications Officer declared in an interview with Dagbladet newspaper on 7 August this year, "Norwegian has respect for unions, and has had good relationship with unions since its inception in 2002, and we intend to continue".
Two of the most respected and highest circulation newspapers in Norway, Aftenposten and DN, have now joined E24 News to report "Half of Norwegian's pilots want to quit" and "75% of the 800 pilots surveyed would not recommend Norwegian as an employer" - Links:
Aftenposten - Halvparten av Norwegian-pilotene ønsker å slutte - Aftenposten
DN - Halvparten av Norwegian-pilotene ønsker å slutte - DN.no
E24 - Halvparten av Norwegian-pilotene ønsker å slutte - Jobb - E24
Kjos was named 'Leader of the Year' by temporary staffing agency Manpower Inc.
In a letter to the US DoT on 10 June this year, the Secretary of the European Transport Workers Federation, Francois Ballestero, stated:
"The Spain based pilots have organized themselves under SEPLA, the Spanish Pilots Union, and have made repeated attempts to engage Norwegian, or representatives of Norwegian, for the purpose of constructive talks. For the past six months these repeated attempts have been ignored by Norwegian.
As a reply to the efforts of the pilot representatives, Norwegian has stated that it does not have any pilots based in Spain, but a company called OSM does".
Norwegian's Communications Officer declared in an interview with Dagbladet newspaper on 7 August this year, "Norwegian has respect for unions, and has had good relationship with unions since its inception in 2002, and we intend to continue".
Two of the most respected and highest circulation newspapers in Norway, Aftenposten and DN, have now joined E24 News to report "Half of Norwegian's pilots want to quit" and "75% of the 800 pilots surveyed would not recommend Norwegian as an employer" - Links:
Aftenposten - Halvparten av Norwegian-pilotene ønsker å slutte - Aftenposten
DN - Halvparten av Norwegian-pilotene ønsker å slutte - DN.no
E24 - Halvparten av Norwegian-pilotene ønsker å slutte - Jobb - E24
Kjos was named 'Leader of the Year' by temporary staffing agency Manpower Inc.
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From: Europe
Direct Bondi what you are writing is BULL!!!! !
The Spain pilot committee has just been elected last week, so HOW is it possible that they have made attempt during 6 months to establish a talk with Norwegian. They are just going to start doing it !
On the other hand, it's a 787 topic here.... the 787 has no spanish employee yet !
If you state something, maybe it is nice to confirm it is true and not just copy paste bull!!!! info.
Frankly GET A LIFE or a HOBBY or even a DOG !
The Spain pilot committee has just been elected last week, so HOW is it possible that they have made attempt during 6 months to establish a talk with Norwegian. They are just going to start doing it !
On the other hand, it's a 787 topic here.... the 787 has no spanish employee yet !
If you state something, maybe it is nice to confirm it is true and not just copy paste bull!!!! info.
Frankly GET A LIFE or a HOBBY or even a DOG !
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From: Sydney
slr737,
In reply to your ignorant post and to corroborate the facts;
It is irrelevant Norwegian's 787s have no Spanish pilots. The 787 and non-Scandinavian 737 divisions use the identical employment model to circumvent labor rights and labor principles. Kjos has stated his intention to open a 787 base in Spain.
Since 2014, SEPLA has represented over 80% of Norwegian's pilots in Spain. SEPLA first requested Norwegian to engage in mutually constructive talks on February 1, 2015. This is confirmed in the January 23, 2015, News Release on the SEPLA website - Link:
Sepla - Irregularities found in the hiring process of Spain-based pilots operating for Norwegian
In regard to the unilateral termination of contracts that occurred in late 2014, which may repeat, SEPLA reports in the release;
"In order to force the pilots into signing new contracts, the company [OSM] introduced aggressive tactics by establishing a deadline on short notice. Furthermore, pilots received written threats of contracts terminations if they chose not to comply with the imposed deadline".
Norwegian refused to recognize SEPLA, and in a letter to the US DoT on June 10 this year, the Secretary of the European Transport Workers Federation, Francois Ballestero, stated:
"The Spain based pilots have organized themselves under SEPLA, the Spanish Pilots Union, and have made repeated attempts to engage Norwegian, or representatives of Norwegian, for the purpose of constructive talks. For the past six months these repeated attempts have been ignored by Norwegian. As a reply to the efforts of the pilot representatives, Norwegian has stated that it does not have any pilots based in Spain, but a company called OSM does".
You may confirm these facts directly with Secretary Ballestero via his public domain email address, available on the European Transport Workers Federation website - Link:
European Transport Workers' Federation: The ETF Team
One final point, you are entitled to disagree with my posts, but please offer an intelligent rebuttal rather than expose your lack of intellect with profanity and adolescent remarks. That sort of conduct may be accepted within Norwegian, but it is not welcome here
In reply to your ignorant post and to corroborate the facts;
It is irrelevant Norwegian's 787s have no Spanish pilots. The 787 and non-Scandinavian 737 divisions use the identical employment model to circumvent labor rights and labor principles. Kjos has stated his intention to open a 787 base in Spain.
Since 2014, SEPLA has represented over 80% of Norwegian's pilots in Spain. SEPLA first requested Norwegian to engage in mutually constructive talks on February 1, 2015. This is confirmed in the January 23, 2015, News Release on the SEPLA website - Link:
Sepla - Irregularities found in the hiring process of Spain-based pilots operating for Norwegian
In regard to the unilateral termination of contracts that occurred in late 2014, which may repeat, SEPLA reports in the release;
"In order to force the pilots into signing new contracts, the company [OSM] introduced aggressive tactics by establishing a deadline on short notice. Furthermore, pilots received written threats of contracts terminations if they chose not to comply with the imposed deadline".
Norwegian refused to recognize SEPLA, and in a letter to the US DoT on June 10 this year, the Secretary of the European Transport Workers Federation, Francois Ballestero, stated:
"The Spain based pilots have organized themselves under SEPLA, the Spanish Pilots Union, and have made repeated attempts to engage Norwegian, or representatives of Norwegian, for the purpose of constructive talks. For the past six months these repeated attempts have been ignored by Norwegian. As a reply to the efforts of the pilot representatives, Norwegian has stated that it does not have any pilots based in Spain, but a company called OSM does".
You may confirm these facts directly with Secretary Ballestero via his public domain email address, available on the European Transport Workers Federation website - Link:
European Transport Workers' Federation: The ETF Team
One final point, you are entitled to disagree with my posts, but please offer an intelligent rebuttal rather than expose your lack of intellect with profanity and adolescent remarks. That sort of conduct may be accepted within Norwegian, but it is not welcome here
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From: Europe
Once again uninformed information taken from newspaper who have no clue on what is happening.
Yeah we have been a member in SEPLA since 2014. But a reduced member until lately since we had not full membership!
If you are within NAX, you would know that.
Since the NAX SEPLA committee has been established, we will now enjoy the full membership of SEPLA. But nothing happened much before, except a few letter from the SEPLA president which if we are not represented by an elected SEPLA board is useless.
Once again, direct bondi what you write is wrong.
Yeah we have been a member in SEPLA since 2014. But a reduced member until lately since we had not full membership!
If you are within NAX, you would know that.
Since the NAX SEPLA committee has been established, we will now enjoy the full membership of SEPLA. But nothing happened much before, except a few letter from the SEPLA president which if we are not represented by an elected SEPLA board is useless.
Once again, direct bondi what you write is wrong.
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From: Sydney
slr737,
When comparing your recent post to mine, it is apparent you are unable to comprehend factual information, its origin and an alternative means of confirmation. In addition to the demonstrated lack of communication skills in your first post, these failings are all detrimental to flight safety. Readers may rightly question your competence in an aviation environment.
In consideration of the above, it is unfortunate you chose to identify yourself as a Norwegian crewmember on a public website.
When comparing your recent post to mine, it is apparent you are unable to comprehend factual information, its origin and an alternative means of confirmation. In addition to the demonstrated lack of communication skills in your first post, these failings are all detrimental to flight safety. Readers may rightly question your competence in an aviation environment.
In consideration of the above, it is unfortunate you chose to identify yourself as a Norwegian crewmember on a public website.
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From: UK
DB - I have not been part of this debate (if thats what it is) but as an outside observer you really need to drop it and move on. You're display signs of an obsessive compulsive disorder so let it go. If guys want to join Norwegian - let them. It doesn't affect you. Get a hobby
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From: Around the block
Would be awesome to fly the 787!
But there's always going to be a price. I think a bond for a TR is fair, kind of the old TRSS schemes years ago and that was up to 5 years.
A salary of £7500 is not good enough for the position and responsibility.
Problem is that every time an airline shakes the pilot tree there will always be pilots falling down and accepting t&c. As someone said before, some need to feed their families.
Norwegian is going through a tough time with unhappy employees, that will stay until conditions improve. If ever.
One can only decide what the price is worth to fly the 787 for a low cost carrier. And the risk of taking the job should the long haul have to stop operations.
But there's always going to be a price. I think a bond for a TR is fair, kind of the old TRSS schemes years ago and that was up to 5 years.
A salary of £7500 is not good enough for the position and responsibility.
Problem is that every time an airline shakes the pilot tree there will always be pilots falling down and accepting t&c. As someone said before, some need to feed their families.
Norwegian is going through a tough time with unhappy employees, that will stay until conditions improve. If ever.
One can only decide what the price is worth to fly the 787 for a low cost carrier. And the risk of taking the job should the long haul have to stop operations.
Master Baiter
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From: Middle Earth
The recent rosters have just popped out and there's now positioning within the US included along with positioning in to and out of Scandinavia instead of flying out of your LGW base.
I don't know what their game is but they're pissing off a lot of their pilots.
I don't know what their game is but they're pissing off a lot of their pilots.
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From: Somewhere
Yepp, guess you can say low cost. Few frequencies to some destinations. Instead of having guys three four days in Vegas or Frisco they position them to LA and fly home the next day. More days at home hopefully. It works for me but perhaps not for everyone commuting far to home. But some guys prefer being on the road 
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From: Outta town
More time off ?
No company pays to position crew back to home base , to then let them enjoy some xtra RnR . Its not commercial. Expect to be back at work sooner .
Time in hotels downroute usually earns more time off at home when you return, well in carriers ive wirked for, not pisitioning asap.
But good luck with this . .
No company pays to position crew back to home base , to then let them enjoy some xtra RnR . Its not commercial. Expect to be back at work sooner .
Time in hotels downroute usually earns more time off at home when you return, well in carriers ive wirked for, not pisitioning asap.
But good luck with this . .
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Highfive; I agree. But what NLH is doing now is not positioning crew back home. Rather to a different city in US. I've been at airlines that do the same. The company saves production days and hotel costs.
A hotel in the US can easily cost USD 250 a night. Instead of having the crew there for - let's say - four nights, they positioning them with Southwest from Frisco to LA, and fly back home the next day. More days home (in my case).
A win-win situation. But of course, some always complain no matter.
A hotel in the US can easily cost USD 250 a night. Instead of having the crew there for - let's say - four nights, they positioning them with Southwest from Frisco to LA, and fly back home the next day. More days home (in my case).
A win-win situation. But of course, some always complain no matter.