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Old 25th Sep 2015, 13:48
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Looks like the recruitment is open again. Check norwegian.com. Only FO and CPT this time. Hear they have RCAs waiting to start.
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Old 27th Sep 2015, 16:09
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Beware - the Rishworth website states that pilots are "employed by our UK crewing company" - an employment agency leasing pilots to other airlines, specifically, Norwegian. However, there is no reference to this so-called "UK crewing company" in the Contact Us section of the Rishworth website. I suspect it is a broom cupboard somewhere in Crawley.
All employment agencies in the UK are regulated by:- The Conduct of Employment Agencies and Business Regulations 2003. Any pilot engaging with Rishworth via their "UK crewing company" should be familiar with this legislation.

So it seems that the contend of the bond is unenforceable for the following reasons:-
In the UK registered unemployed are obliged to seek work or have their benefits reduced and in some cases stopped entirely (JSA - Job Seekers Allowance regulations). Therefore, if you are registered unemployed (even for a week), interview for a position with Norwegian and offered employment, you are obliged to accept employment at the first opportunity or have your benefits stopped. Effectively, you are forced to sign a bond against your will. If at some later stage you decide that the working conditions are not to your liking (much has been written about the shameful management etc.), and seek alternatively employment, you are prevented form doing so by virtue of the bond. This is effectively Indentured Servitude and illegal under the UK Human Rights Act 1998 and European Convention on Human Rights.
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Old 27th Sep 2015, 17:55
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New callsign - same old drone!
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Old 27th Sep 2015, 18:21
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JW411 - But is it wrong ?
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Old 27th Sep 2015, 18:39
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JW411:
There is only one Bondi and apparently, one plagiarist.

Kobus:
If you intend to quote any posts, kindly use quotation marks and reference the author. Alternatively, produce some original work!

Jax: I still believe the information in my original post to be correct.

With all this recruitment activity, does anyone have news of direct employment with Norwegian, as promised in writing by CEO Bjorn Kjos?
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Old 27th Sep 2015, 20:38
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There is no sign of permanent contract with Norwegian on the horizon. Expiring contracts in 2016 with Rishworth will be replaced by new ones from OSM Aviation.
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Old 27th Sep 2015, 22:35
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This is not good news and, if true, contradicts the Kjos letter to the DoT in which he promises "direct employment with a company in the Norwegian Group after a transitional period."

Being employed full-time with an agency and rented part-time by Norwegian, with no labor rights nor labor principles directly with Norwegian, could be a contributing factor why "half of Norwegian's pilots want to quit" - E24 Norway News 9/26 - Link:

Halvparten av Norwegian-pilotene ønsker å slutte - Jobb - E24

The news report also states:

"The pilots in Norwegian are dissatisfied with their employment. A new survey shows that half the pilots did not see a future in the company"

"The survey, carried out among 800 pilots in the group, also shows that 30% say they are looking for jobs in other companies and 75% of pilots surveyed responded that they would not recommend Norwegian as an employer"

Any plans for the LGW 787 pilots to also join BALPA ?
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Old 27th Sep 2015, 23:25
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Yes. Norwegian Long Haul are joining forces with Short Haul and will be covered under the same BALPA recognition agreement with OSM. Shame it's not directly with the Organ Grinder though!
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Old 28th Sep 2015, 06:26
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I finally received an email from Rishworth or NLG ( who knows) stating the position that i had applied for is now closed however i am invited to re apply for the same position ( but different). WTF. Its been 5 months and thats their response.
Good luck to all who continue to persue this option. Personally these arrogant agencies need a preverbial kick up the a$$.
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Old 30th Sep 2015, 06:57
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I wouldn't say joining forces.
A lot of LH have long memories and bad memories of being in BALPA before, we want something different.
 
Old 30th Sep 2015, 09:36
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Originally Posted by fade to grey View Post
I wouldn't say joining forces.
A lot of LH have long memories and bad memories of being in BALPA before, we want something different.
You do have something different. You have the worst conditions in the western world.
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Old 30th Sep 2015, 10:40
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See Rishworth has emailed recruitment is now open, with a new application system. They must be gearing up for mid 2016 I guess.

Any more news on this 40% Pay rise, or just rumour BS?!
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Old 30th Sep 2015, 11:44
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Well fade to grey, you and your colleagues are gonna have to set aside any animosity or disappointment, because BALPA is the only show in town. We have a recognition agreement from OSM and are part of the wider Norwegian Pilot Group. Any alternative will just divide the Pilot workforce and water down an already delicate position we currently hold. Of course, we live in a democracy so feel free to suggest a viable alternative... Unless of course, it's the IPA
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Old 30th Sep 2015, 13:03
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737 jockey, whilst we want to be united, I was in BALPA before and they folded like wet cardboard when I needed them. Combined with them wanting 1% of my salary for the privilege of being useless, I think not.

Do you guys not realise they are really only interested in Big Airways.

I'd rather our own fledgling association took off.

Failing that it's TGWU for me, and Jeremy Corbyn will be my best mate.
 
Old 30th Sep 2015, 15:21
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737 Jockey quote:
"BALPA is the only show in town. We have a recognition agreement from OSM and are part of the wider Norwegian Pilot Group"

You are employed by OSM or Rishworth, however, Norwegian tests, recruits and rejects the applicants, provides uniform and equipment, assigns the base, determines the roster, days off, vacation and promotion, provides ongoing training, and can summarily terminate your contract. Effectively, Norwegian is your real employer.

What agreements do you have that are binding with Norwegian and CEO Bjorn Kjos ?
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Old 1st Oct 2015, 17:07
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For Christs sake bondi,
Change the record or get a hobby FFS !
 
Old 1st Oct 2015, 18:52
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Hear they might open up for RCA again soon. We'll see.

Regarding the contract it still buffles me to understand what options that are better within Europe if you want to fly pax long haul (no cargo)? This is not a retorical question, I simply wonder. Let's say that I don't want to go to the sandpit or China, and don't want to wait 15 years for my captain position on long haul, where should I go? If you want to fly short haul there are other options. What are my options in western Europe?

Norwegian offers, via agency at the moment, London base, almost ok salary (in my perspective, but could definately be better), a working pattern that gives me about half the month off in average, a health insurance (although I also have the one in UK since the company pays social taxes there), etc. Pension will come with regulatory changes in UK from 2017. Ok aircraft to fly (although that is not too important for me), good destinations with short stops. Very nice people to work with.

Please enlighten me (without being rude).
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Old 2nd Oct 2015, 02:51
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Boeing, you are correct. For what you want , NLH is sufficient . NLH have offered a long haul job, with reduced perks and conditions, with the upside being you are DEC or DEFO straight on to long haul destinations, with good prospects.
As long as the company maintains a return on investment. If not , your pension pot you hope for may be significantly diminished.

Im curious why they are still recruiting? After so long, with so many qualified guys (especially from EK !)interviewed, or on the books, why all the re advertising?

How many guys actually have commenced training from this years recruitment drive?
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Old 7th Oct 2015, 19:59
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Boeing, don't do it, a long haul command for £7500/month gross ?

Someones laughing all the way to the Kontanter

Really ?
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Old 7th Oct 2015, 20:02
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It's not £7500 gross for a Captain, numb nuts
 

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