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Old 21st Apr 2018, 11:57
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Good luck getting guys to start tomorrow with Procius so amateurishly running the airside pass security referencing. 6 weeks would be ambitious to be frank.
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Old 21st Apr 2018, 14:33
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Originally Posted by RexBanner View Post
Good luck getting guys to start tomorrow with Procius so amateurishly running the airside pass security referencing. 6 weeks would be ambitious to be frank.
A friend who was renewing his, having worked for his current employer (not BA) at the same base for 10 years now took 11 weeks for Procius to sort it out.

His old pass ended up expiring and had to go around on an escorted pass for a few weeks. Amateurish.
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Old 22nd Apr 2018, 08:20
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I suspect the HP is now completely empty, including Non TR. I declined my offer a few weeks back and was told 260 pilots were needed after a radical shift in the projected requirement that flew in the face of what was briefed to the pool. They were filling courses on 77/78/74 into July.
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Old 22nd Apr 2018, 09:21
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Heli-wings,

Are you willing to share why you turned the offer down?
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Old 22nd Apr 2018, 09:37
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The pool isn't quite empty, there's a fair few at my airline who haven't had the call.
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Old 22nd Apr 2018, 15:42
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I agree, Procius are useless.
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Old 22nd Apr 2018, 16:06
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Originally Posted by olster View Post
I agree, Procius are useless.
It baffles me that they still manage to get any work. They must just quote the lowest price at any cost.

I first encountered them many years ago when I was doing my CPL......they were put in charge of sorting references for an airside pass for me to be a baggage handler. Painful!!!! Nearly gave up and went back to being skint!
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Old 25th Apr 2018, 08:59
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Just for info, around 110 DEPs taken on so far this year, with around 70 going to the Boeing long haul fleets. No info at the moment on how many more planned.
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Old 26th Apr 2018, 18:56
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Originally Posted by Jwscud View Post
Just for info, around 110 DEPs taken on so far this year, with around 70 going to the Boeing long haul fleets. No info at the moment on how many more planned.
DEP recruitment is now open I believe.


https://jobs.ba.com/jobs/vacancy/dir...9/description/

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Old 27th Apr 2018, 09:08
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Well here we go again....


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Old 27th Apr 2018, 10:11
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How much is Brexit going to influence working at BA in the future. Looking from the perspective of joining around this time?
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Old 27th Apr 2018, 10:38
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Originally Posted by Always Try Reset View Post
How much is Brexit going to influence working at BA in the future. Looking from the perspective of joining around this time?
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Old 27th Apr 2018, 10:55
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WW has always said Brexit will have limited effect on IAG. He's never (as far as I am aware) specifically said how he thinks it will alter BA's bottom line, but BA currently provides the vast majority of IAG's profits, so he either expects this to continue or that the other airlines within the group will take over. There are many who believe Brexit will result in a huge hit to BA's premium customer base, but that all depends on what Brexit actually means. Personally, I think the negotiations will continue for such a lengthy period of time with no real direction, that people will just get bored of it all and businesses will either bumble along without any innovative plans for the future, or they will leave the UK and get on with growing.
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Old 27th Apr 2018, 12:11
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Brexit and BA: nobody knows (or if they do they are not saying anything).

Brexit is just one of many variables that could effect recruiting next year.
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Old 28th Apr 2018, 09:18
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Can anyone advise on the thinking behind requiring a type rating (any) and 500hrs for the latest round, when the expense of a TR course would be needed for most recruits anyway? Could it be that ‘fresh’ fATPL holders typically fail more TR courses or line training, or is it about speeding up line training and reducing the need for training captains?
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Old 28th Apr 2018, 09:26
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As far as I understand it, the type rating requirement covers the candidate for ZFT training which I suppose is where BA are coming from. As far as the recruitment process goes (for those that have moaned about it), I was as fierce a critic of this as any having failed the computer aptitude tests twice. However I discovered on the third attempt at it that they just required some preparation and work (indeed that goes for the whole process). Any commercial pilot worth a grain of salt can pass them given the effort and application, I know because I’m living proof. So if you really want to work for BA then you might have to work for it, nothing wrong with that.
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Old 28th Apr 2018, 09:33
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Thanks Rex. I hadn’t thought of the ZFT angle. Where does the TR requirement leave military pilots with >500hrs ME who would otherwise be eligible for ZFT though? Seems to exclude them somewhat arbitrarily.
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Old 28th Apr 2018, 10:16
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Easy street. If you're a Service Pilot in the Royal Air Force, Royal Navy, Royal Marines or Army Air Corps, you can apply via our Managed Path – Direct Entry Pilot Scheme (lifted from the experienced pilots recruitment page) I am not sure this is currently active for the current recruitment as it does specify a type rating. Under the requirements it just says a type rating and 500 flying hours. It does not specify what type rating as it’s open recruitment to both SH and LH and the hours do not state on type. I would assume they would love a load of type rated pilots with hours for DEP money and a minimum training footprint. However they are probably relatively few in number. I would say you need to get in contact with LC or LA or any other inside contact you have to ask some questions. I do fly with a good number of relatively recent ex military recruits.
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Old 28th Apr 2018, 10:39
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Some ex Service pilots joined BA LH, 744, 787.777,A380 on the last tranche as DEP. Mainly ex Voyager as they get EASA A330/350 TR in RAF ,as conversion by Air Tanker use civilian pilots. Hence ZFT qualified. (Had to have done their ALTP exams in spare time of course)
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Old 28th Apr 2018, 11:33
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Originally Posted by cessnapete View Post
Some ex Service pilots joined BA LH, 744, 787.777,A380 on the last tranche as DEP. Mainly ex Voyager as they get EASA A330/350 TR in RAF ,as conversion by Air Tanker use civilian pilots. Hence ZFT qualified. (Had to have done their ALTP exams in spare time of course)
Plus a fair few C17, A400M and Herc mates without the Type Rating too, taken on via DEP, whom will also qualify for ZFT (effectively you get an unfrozen ATPL upon completion of the Type rating with the company, hours dependent).

Problem with waiting for managed path, its only opened about 3 times in the time I served and doesnt really offer that much more to the applicant than offered as part of DEP these days.And yes, 14 ATPL plus the joys of completing the CPL Skills and IR on a twin piston......

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