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From: The Winchester
Cullin H
Have you been told that by one of the recruitment team/assessors or by some of their candidates?
Different assessors look at things in different ways, though. They shouldn't - but they do.
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What's the answer then?
I have to admit, that while I'm sure they are all very standardised and quite literally singing from the same hymn sheet, surely if someone were marginal for example of the pass/fail grade, are we suggesting that if they were examined by ever single recruiter in the sim, they'd all come to the exact same conclusion of either the pass or fail? Surely some times that person would pass and others they'd fail? You'd like the think the vast majority of the examiners would agree, but I'm sure there are people in BA who doing the exact same sim with a different recruiter wouldn't have passed and vice versa.
I have to admit, that while I'm sure they are all very standardised and quite literally singing from the same hymn sheet, surely if someone were marginal for example of the pass/fail grade, are we suggesting that if they were examined by ever single recruiter in the sim, they'd all come to the exact same conclusion of either the pass or fail? Surely some times that person would pass and others they'd fail? You'd like the think the vast majority of the examiners would agree, but I'm sure there are people in BA who doing the exact same sim with a different recruiter wouldn't have passed and vice versa.
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Hi Cullin,I think you are wrong.The assessors are of a very high calibre and very skilled CRMIs. The candidate is a strong contender and the position is to be a future British Airways Captain.BA are in the minority in giving a four hour detail to two candidates. If as you say,a candidate is marginal,would you pass them on that performance? The key to success is preparation.
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I seem to recall LC telling us that it had to be done before your first day. I did my group session quite a way back though, so I'm open to correction! In my mind.... As soon as you get a 'successful email' get it converted ASAP! In case you encounter any (unlikely) problems.
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From: Sir
Hey Guys,
I am invited to attend the first assessment day this week. (Verbal reasoning/numerical reasoning)
it´s almost impossible to read all of the 150 pages, could anyone be so kind and write a very short summary on what I can expect and any tips/advices?
Thank you very much and kind regards,
E170
I am invited to attend the first assessment day this week. (Verbal reasoning/numerical reasoning)
it´s almost impossible to read all of the 150 pages, could anyone be so kind and write a very short summary on what I can expect and any tips/advices?
Thank you very much and kind regards,
E170
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From: England
E170,
Sorry to sound a little harsh ( OK, I'm not sorry) but why would someone who had been to an assessment day that they had fully prepared for, including reading this thread, and who had posted his tips a few pages/months/weeks ago bother wasting his time repeating themselves because you can't be bothered to read back through this thread.
Regards
Sorry to sound a little harsh ( OK, I'm not sorry) but why would someone who had been to an assessment day that they had fully prepared for, including reading this thread, and who had posted his tips a few pages/months/weeks ago bother wasting his time repeating themselves because you can't be bothered to read back through this thread.
Regards
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From: UK
binsleepen is totally spot on.
You may want to read through post number 325 page 17 and post number 2414 page 121
Taking time to look through this thread does pay off, from what I have seen so far is the following for day one.
.Flight Capacity test such as setting a virtual FMS and monitoring electrical pages and applying checklists, monitoring fuel and taking a snapshot every 2 minutes, setting waypoints, clicking on a possible TCAS on the ND, calculating how many miles to commence your descend when ATC gives you new levels etc.
.Maths tests with no data interpretation, but simple maths I think 25 questions but very time limited- again many examples on this and other threads
.New style Verbal reasoning test- maybe others who have been could be kind to give an example.
Another post had a link of what the test looks like post number 285 page 144
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=ps...SQGz-Au-iWM%3A
I am sure your capable of doing further research and I will leave it at that.
You may want to read through post number 325 page 17 and post number 2414 page 121
Taking time to look through this thread does pay off, from what I have seen so far is the following for day one.
.Flight Capacity test such as setting a virtual FMS and monitoring electrical pages and applying checklists, monitoring fuel and taking a snapshot every 2 minutes, setting waypoints, clicking on a possible TCAS on the ND, calculating how many miles to commence your descend when ATC gives you new levels etc.
.Maths tests with no data interpretation, but simple maths I think 25 questions but very time limited- again many examples on this and other threads
.New style Verbal reasoning test- maybe others who have been could be kind to give an example.
Another post had a link of what the test looks like post number 285 page 144
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=ps...SQGz-Au-iWM%3A
I am sure your capable of doing further research and I will leave it at that.
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it´s almost impossible to read all of the 150 pages
1.Walking on clouds
2.Setting the moon on fire
3.Conducting a reasonable 2-way conversation with a Llama
Things that are fundamentally within the realms of possibility:
1.Reading stuff on pprune*
2.Passing BA selection**
**Possible link
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From: Kent, UK
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This is what I came up with for day 1 as of June 2016 (kindly add/correct).
1) Verbal Reasoning
36 "Follow Direction" type questions in 18 minutes, multiple choice;
Paper and pencil. If answer not clear do not guess (negative points?).
2) Numerical Reasoning
24 problems in 12 minutes;
Paper and pencil, multiple choice, no calculator. Written calculations allowed on extra sheet of paper. Skip difficult problems. If solution not clear do not guess (negative points?).
Examples (Not sure if there are both "simple calculations" and text problems or only text problems?):
- 12400 × 27=
- 3484 ÷ 2 ÷ 10=
- What is x if y=5 type equations
- What is the difference in speed of 2 airplanes if the first one covers 0000 miles in 0 hours and 0 minutes and the other covers 0000 miles in 0.0 hours?
3) Flight Director Test
Keep FD centered using joystick
Compare numbers (aural) and note if difference in sequence
Listen for shapes and note color/number
4) Flight Crew Test
25 minute coordination test involving TCAS, ATC radio, altitude clearances, fuel, checklist etc..;
Now back to hitting the books
Good luck to all!
1) Verbal Reasoning
36 "Follow Direction" type questions in 18 minutes, multiple choice;
Paper and pencil. If answer not clear do not guess (negative points?).
2) Numerical Reasoning
24 problems in 12 minutes;
Paper and pencil, multiple choice, no calculator. Written calculations allowed on extra sheet of paper. Skip difficult problems. If solution not clear do not guess (negative points?).
Examples (Not sure if there are both "simple calculations" and text problems or only text problems?):
- 12400 × 27=
- 3484 ÷ 2 ÷ 10=
- What is x if y=5 type equations
- What is the difference in speed of 2 airplanes if the first one covers 0000 miles in 0 hours and 0 minutes and the other covers 0000 miles in 0.0 hours?
3) Flight Director Test
Keep FD centered using joystick
Compare numbers (aural) and note if difference in sequence
Listen for shapes and note color/number
4) Flight Crew Test
25 minute coordination test involving TCAS, ATC radio, altitude clearances, fuel, checklist etc..;
Now back to hitting the books
Good luck to all!
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From: Sir
Thank you very much for your kind answers.
Even though I did NOT read all of the 150 pages of this post, I just passed Day 1 at LHR.
Now I am preparing for Day 2 (group exercise; interview and a presentation)
@bradandwhitney: when did you attend day 1? I did not had to do the FD Test.
Even though I did NOT read all of the 150 pages of this post, I just passed Day 1 at LHR.
Now I am preparing for Day 2 (group exercise; interview and a presentation)
@bradandwhitney: when did you attend day 1? I did not had to do the FD Test.
