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Old 29th Oct 2014, 02:31
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Anyone else having issues with the application? Each time after an age of creating an answer for question one of the 300 word jobs I select save and it logs me out back to the vacancy search with out anything saved. Log back in and all deleted!!!!!!!!!!!
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Old 29th Oct 2014, 03:50
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The site will automatically log you out after a period of being sat idle. Best to write your response in word or pages then copy and paste it into the application window. Good luck
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Old 29th Oct 2014, 08:34
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Do we really believe that " training, command and long haul experience" would really be an advantage ? After stating this, they then say you'll more than likly be sent to coventry on the A320.
I've got plenty of all three, but doubt in my mid 40 s I'd have a high chance of passing the selection detailed above.

I can see it now , being asked by some stuffy HR sycophant "as a mature pilot, why the #^^% would we hire you when we can have some cheap Easy meat who is 20 yrs your junior? "


FWIW, do they still (unofficially) abide by the must be under 49 at age at application or have they taken older candidates? With retirement @ 65 now I suspect they can't blatentally play the ageist card .
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Old 29th Oct 2014, 09:04
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I can see it now , being asked by some stuffy HR sycophant "as a mature pilot, why the #^^% would we hire you when we can have some cheap Easy meat who is 20 yrs your junior? "
"Because it's highly unlikely "I" will be in the company long enough to achieve the higher paypoints, and therefore "I" will be helping solve the problem of incremental drift"......
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Old 29th Oct 2014, 09:27
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As to the long haul, training and command advantages there is a serious training backlog heading BA's way with the next seasons schedule already looking very, very busy.

As has been discussed before BA have and will change new entrant aircraft types dependant upon experience and necessity. I have a feeling that there will be a few DEP's directed toward the 744 as the senior bidders move across to either the 777 or the 787.

The X350 is also coming which will be an expansion fleet plus there has been alot of company traffic between London and Seattle. Read into that what you will.

BA need the flight crews, hopefully a less than enthusiastic reception to the current package might help in at least slowing if not halting the slide in T's & C's that the cheap labour markets seem to be demanding.
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Old 29th Oct 2014, 09:29
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i would say it would be extremely unlikely in the world of BA that there would be any question relating to your age. Judging by some of the FPPs I have seen, age has not been a factor there either.
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Old 29th Oct 2014, 10:29
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Couldn't keep away, could you, WBF? Yet another fantastically ignorant, bitter post!
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Old 29th Oct 2014, 10:37
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Especially when BA are only offering unused passenger sandwiches and a bag of crisps for lunch : p
What a load of tosh. Look, you might not fancy BA, but why poison the thread with your nonsense?
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Old 29th Oct 2014, 10:40
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Harry Palmer, are you being timed out of your application form? Many of BA's systems are like this. it pays to write out your answer beforehand, and then cut and paste it when logged in. HTH.
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Old 29th Oct 2014, 10:41
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How do you know the FPP entrants from the non-FPP chaps WBF? Most of the bottom of the list seem to be fairly active types - one I spoke to recently when changing A/C was planning to cycle to Loch Lomond on a Glasgow standover!

Judging by recent comms, I'd like to hope that the SH review might not be as painful as you seem to want it to be.
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Old 29th Oct 2014, 10:50
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Judging by recent comms, I'd like to hope that the SH review might not be as painful as you seem to want it to be.
Concur with that sentiment. It seems that the requirements of the company may have already been met.

Especially when BA are only offering unused passenger sandwiches and a bag of crisps for lunch : p
What drivel. I understand you have some sort of axe to grind, why I don't know, but at least attempt to be factual. Ironically one of the longer running initiatives run by BA and BALPA is to increase the choice, content and nutritional value of the crew meals. Some are actually getting quite good. But you would know that from the cockpit of a different jet in a different company.
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Old 29th Oct 2014, 11:21
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Is this so that you can justify to your few mates down the pub as to why you failed selection? You must be just great!
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Old 29th Oct 2014, 11:27
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I'll reiterate, I have failed no part of BA's selection. Weren't you an ex BMI pilot, who came to easy briefly and then went to BMI again, bypassing the selection into BA? Nevertheless, passing BA's selection doesn't make you 'great'. Nor does not being selected make anyone not 'great'.
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Old 29th Oct 2014, 11:33
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Er no! Left Bmi, went to easy, left easy, went to BA, well and truly passed selection

So why so bitter? You're a psychologists dream!
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Old 29th Oct 2014, 11:39
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There are no FACTS as you state yet as the SHBR has not been formally announced. However, the community is being led to believe that, from a flight ops department perspective, we have covered all requirements thus 'no change'. That is neither confirmed nor factual yet, purely conjecture from another place.

WBF, are you just a disgruntled ex military pilot who believes they are owed a job by a company due to their previous service? I only ask as I am also ex-military and I have never held those views neither have I ever felt I needed to belittle any companies processes. If you want to have a target then target the muppets in RAF command who covered the military dispensation agreements from National to JAR procedures and screwed everyone in the military with their ambivalence and incompetence. It's all irrelevant to me as I left long before then with national licences in hand.

Personally I don't give a stuff what you think of BA, you aren't in it so who cares. Leave the thread to those who are interested in joining the company and wish to gain some sort of 'educated' insight before deciding which way to decide.

The thought of XX years of short haul earlies and lates, again and again and again fills me with dread but you seem to like it so enjoy. I'm off Christmas shopping in the States.
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Old 29th Oct 2014, 11:48
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Psychologist's you mean? I just don't like the business, the product, the arrogance, the left wing BA mantra, many of the people they've surprisingly taken or the lemming-like way these p2F types blindly dream of a BA career based upon cliched perception. I also resent a company like BA being our flag carrier. That compounded by the fact I DO like many turned away, have seen many who were turned away go on to become excellent captains and TREs and comments like your 'you must be great' following on from you're assumption that I didn't get in. You're basing your cack on the regulated past. From George Patton:

For over a thousand years Roman conquerors returning from the wars enjoyed the honor of triumph, a tumultuous parade. In the procession came trumpeteers, musicians and strange animals from conquered territories, together with carts laden with treasure and captured armaments. The conquerors rode in a triumphal chariot, the dazed prisoners walking in chains before him. Sometimes his children robed in white stood with him in the chariot or rode the trace horses. A slave stood behind the conqueror holding a golden crown and whispering in his ear a warning: that all glory is fleeting.
As I've said, I'm out. Toodle pip!
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Old 29th Oct 2014, 12:11
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Psychologist's you mean? I just don't like the business, the product, the arrogance, the left wing BA mantra, many of the people they've surprisingly taken or the lemming-like way these p2F types blindly dream of a BA career based upon cliched perception. I also resent a company like BA being our flag carrier. That compounded by the fact I DO like many turned away, have seen many who were turned away go on to become excellent captains and TREs and comments like your 'you must be great' following on from you're assumption that I didn't get in. You're basing your cack on the regulated past. From George Patton:
You've aired your opinion based on what you freely admit is an 'outside' view. Who ever said that those turned away aren't any good? Perhaps they just didn't perform as they wanted/expected to. Perhaps the competition on the day was of a very high standard. Perhaps they just didn't achieve the scores they needed. Who knows. In my experience people who fail an interview don't generally want to discuss it on an open forum.

I have many friends and colleagues flying for other companies who didn't pass the BA selection. That doesn't make them 'second grade' and I would challenge anyone who claimed such. It also doesn't mean they are any worse people for not passing a selection process. They are all top level aviators and people who just didn't meet the requirements of the process on that specific day. Most freely admit to making type of dog-up (hmm it's edited my word due to the profanity filter!) of something along the way. That's life.

What is your 'cliched' perception? The fact that people want to work for a company is testament to the fact that the company can still attract people. If they want to work for BA then they can find out about the company easily enough warts and all and make their decision based on their perceptions not the perceptions of someone like yourself. As much as you believe your position. BA is an excellent employer with huge opportunities a fantastic route structure and many different aircraft types to train on. The company look after you exceptionally well when down route. There are challenges but that can be said for every company in the industry and chatting to Air France, Lufthansa, Al Italia and various US company pilots down route we are all facing the same challenges.

As far as being the flag carrier, tough, nobody cares if you don't like it. You are a tiny cog in a big machine industry and your opinion on matters like who is and isn't the 'Flag Carrier' are irrelevant in the big scheme of things. Just like mine.

In respect to the 'left wing mantra' where did you drag that old cliche up from? I haven't seen anything like that since the Cabin Crew strike from BASSA and look what happened to them. Ironically it was the entire company working together that defeated the left wing mantra that was Duncan Holley and his braying mob. Perhaps your views are a little outdated?

Enjoy the Orange, I know many of my friends do.
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Old 29th Oct 2014, 12:33
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WBF can you please create another thread to discuss your 'issues,' questions and personal arguments.

Keep this one on topic.
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Old 29th Oct 2014, 15:03
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Originally Posted by binsleepen View Post
Link here

http://www.britishairways.com/career...results.shtml?

To be considered for our current vacancies you will need:
  • To hold a current type rating and a minimum of 500 hours experience on an aircraft that satisfies CAP 804 FCL.730.A - Zero Flight Time Training course requirement. We would be particularly interested in hearing from candidates operating the A320/747/757/767/777/787. Training, command, or other longhaul experience would be advantageous but is not required
Regards
Are they having issues finding people for these adverts to be cropping up so often? I've got an idea - how about they include the 737. That still allows for ZFTT.
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Old 29th Oct 2014, 15:16
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CAP 804 FCL.730.A

Talks about having a rating on a CS-25 turbo jet or turbo prop with MTOW of more then 10 tonnes and 19 pax.

Maybe I'm reading it wrong but if you have any type rating on a plane meeting the above then you're free to apply?
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