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Old 14th Mar 2016, 18:21
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VJW
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I'd be very interested to know if the verbal test has now gone and been replaced by something else, as was mentioned possibly above...PM me if anyone has details on this- the verbal test keeps me from getting to day 2 each time I'm sure
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Old 14th Mar 2016, 23:10
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Old verbal reasoning test has been replaced by a newer test which I believe is a fairer reflection on the candidates information processing and the best way to practice is the email BA send you.
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Old 15th Mar 2016, 07:45
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With the new flight pay, for long haul flights with three and four Pilots, how is the flying pay calculated? Is it simply total block time, or is rest time deducted?

On a similar theme, how are the flying hours logged in the same scenarios.

Thanks
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Old 15th Mar 2016, 08:05
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Flying pay: it's the entire planned block time for everybody, regardless of role...(that is until somebody comes up with the next bright idea to ensure the company still allow us to have a pilot only bonus scheme.......cynical?..... moi?)

Flying Hours: To paraphrase the Ops manual - The nominated commander logs all the block time, everybody else only logs proportionate seat time ( FWIW that includes any relief captain) - for the purposes of the licence & company upgrades, etc..

However you do also need to have a record somewhere (perhaps a spare logbook column) of total achieved block time, regardless of role, because all hours flown, including bunk hours, count towards FTLs and scheduling limits...(that is until..... ).

Now stands by for inevitable comments from some in the short haul community, and perhaps from some headed there.....please remember do not shoot the messenger....

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Old 15th Mar 2016, 09:44
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So Wiggy, regarding planned block time, in the case of a diversion and resulting disruption/possible extra sector - all of that is unpaid?
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Old 15th Mar 2016, 10:18
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TBH I'm going to waffle and say I can't give a definitive answer since the rules on that are buried away in Bidline appendices and flow charts (extra payments, if any, can depend on the why, how and where....) so I'd best leave an authorative answer to someone who has diverted more recently that I have.

I would point out that the days of picking up loads of extra dosh for extra sectors, or extended sectors (overrun payments) or even being really very late ( extra Box payments) have long gone. It's a nice suprise if you do see extra payments on the payslip but I certainly wouldn't rely on it as part of your income stream, especially as in Longhaul it doesn't happen that often. I reckon I've only diverted once in the last 4-5 years.
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Old 15th Mar 2016, 10:39
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As always, thank you for your input Wiggy.
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Old 15th Mar 2016, 10:43
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regarding planned block time, in the case of a diversion and resulting disruption/possible extra sector - all of that is unpaid?
AFAIK any diversion/disruption which increases the duty time is automatically paid at standard rate. You need to keep a close eye on your pay statement st the end of the month as these extra hours can often 'fall through the cracks'.
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Old 15th Mar 2016, 22:27
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A current UK issued EASA ATPL(A) Flight Crew Licence with Class 1 medical or the ability to convert your licence to a UK issued EASA ATPL(A) before joining
The requirement for direct entry long haul state the above. Does this mean I can definitely apply with a CPL as I meet the requirements of an ATPL but can't do the skills test for a few months? Anyone been offered a position in this scenario?
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Old 16th Mar 2016, 00:14
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No - I believe that that clause is to cater for those without a UK EASA ATPL but with one issued by (for example) a Gulf state or even Ireland or Mainland Europe, who would be able to have it changed between being offered a position and starting with the company.

Sorry if this isn't the answer you were looking for!

CE

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Old 16th Mar 2016, 14:55
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I would suggest getting in touch with recruitment and explaining the situation (if you work for who I think and have just seen the memo I think) and see what they say.
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Old 18th Mar 2016, 18:32
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Who is going to the day 1 assessment next week 23 march?
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Old 18th Mar 2016, 20:46
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Online Application Waiting Time

Quick question, I submitted my online application on Saturday (12th March) for the A320 Fleet. How long can I expect to wait until I hear back from British Airways?

Thanks

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Old 18th Mar 2016, 21:29
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I applied for DEP Longhaul. I got a answer 1 day later.
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Old 19th Mar 2016, 15:05
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From Careers Home - British Airways

'Please note the following information if you have made a previous application to us. We cannot accept a new application within:
6 Months if you were unsuccessful at initial application screening
12 months if you were unsuccessful at any stage of testing/interview/simulator assessment. You are welcome to reapply 12 months from the date you attended initial aptitude testing

When you proceed to apply

Have you previously applied for this role or any other Pilot role within the last 6 months

Note any other role which in your case is LH DEP

Please note that only one application can be accepted within a rolling 6 month period.

Have you attended the assessment stage in the last 12 months


However as we know BA does change policy from time to time, such as inviting people before the 12 months has elapsed.

I too would like another shot but have to wait 12 months, but to put your mind at rest why not phone BA recruitment, they seem always happy to help.
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Old 19th Mar 2016, 22:43
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Again I told the person who asked me the above, but I wasn't actually sure. It was more the fact he tried applying within 12 months and ticked 'no' to the above questions. He hadn't heard back from BA re the second application, and I explained this might be why. Just wanted to check...thanks
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Old 20th Mar 2016, 23:04
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Having recently failed the sim assessment, don't assume the 10 minutes un-assessed practice is really as un-assessed as they tell you.

Any insiders know if they will be doing call backs for those that only fell at the final hurdle?
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Old 20th Mar 2016, 23:14
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Why do you say that? Did they specially say you failed due to that?
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Old 21st Mar 2016, 00:29
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The 10 mins time for you to get used to the Sim is totally unassessed. You are not secretly being monitored at this point. BA is such a large and prominent employer in this industry and is so paranoid about bad press, that all recruitment follows a strict well defined framework. This ensures no allegations of discrimination of any sort.

The same also applies for internal applications which are as long winded and laborious as external applications.
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Old 21st Mar 2016, 10:12
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Hi Guys,

I have a question with regards to the verbal test, that if anyone can answer, I'd greatly appreciate it.

I understand that the test has changed recently.

Could anyone perhaps share any info on the new test?

I understand you need to answer quickly and with accuracy but does anyone know how many questions there are in the test? - If so, any idea on the pass mark required?
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