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Old 18th Jan 2016, 07:06
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Hello all,


Just a quick question. On the math assessment on day 1, do you have a paper or is it all mental?
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Old 18th Jan 2016, 08:11
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Agreed , i dont BA are concerned about it and yes its a hoop to jump through. And a stage that would certainly count against those more mature types who may find the reversal of the joystick polarity on the cross hairs a real challenge.

You can apply , but your chances of passing the aptitude will be decrese exponentially with age, and that suits BA.

In the old day they just said bog off, you are too old!

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Old 18th Jan 2016, 08:35
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Originally Posted by fly4more View Post
Agreed , i dont BA are concerned about it and yes its a hoop to jump through. And a stage that would certainly count against those more mature types who may find the reversal of the joystick polarity on the cross hairs a real challenge.

You can apply , but your chances of passing the aptitude will be decrese exponentially with age, and that suits BA.

In the old day they just said bog off, you are too old!
BA learned years ago that just recruiting youngsters merely inflated the wage bill and causes promotion issues. There are something like 700 sub1000 seniority captains who were the Prestwick cadets. They sit in the LHS of LH aircraft on pp24 (old scales) with fully paid up NAPS pensions and they cost the company a fortune (through no fault of their own)

So when I hear or read comments about how BA only wants youngsters it just reveals the prejudices and anxieties of those making them. BA wants good pilots (admittedly as determined by own peculiar system) but it doesn't give a stuff about age, sex, colour, creed or religion. They don't look for an old school tie or a secret handshake. You either pass selection or you don't, then if you are in the right place at the right time and they need swimmers from the pool you get a job offer.
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Old 18th Jan 2016, 09:28
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And a stage that would certainly count against those more mature types who may find the reversal of the joystick polarity on the cross hairs a real challenge.
You can apply , but your chances of passing the aptitude will be decrese exponentially with age, and that suits BA.
Plenty of the younger generation struggle to pass a basic maths test so according to your logic I suppose BA don't want to recruit young or old?
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Old 18th Jan 2016, 10:01
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Originally Posted by spyce View Post
Hello all,


Just a quick question. On the math assessment on day 1, do you have a paper or is it all mental?
Yes spyce you do have a spare bit of paper to jot stuff down on and the questions are on paper as well, very time limited though!

Good luck!!
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Old 18th Jan 2016, 10:46
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Mate of mine involved with sim assesment with large British airline. He is amazed at the number of ex Airbus candidates from other UK airlines, who have lost the skills of trimming, and controlling speed maunually with the thrust levers, big part of the assesment.
It's not just AF and some Asian carriers, but it appears the basic flying skills deficiency is now becoming a UK problem too.
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Old 18th Jan 2016, 11:03
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He is amazed that people who don't use a skill forget how to use it? You don't trim an airbus and a lot of carriers forbid use of manual thrust. Five years of doing that and you soon get used to that and that alone unless you can afford to keep a single engine rating up. It's not amazing, it's expected. However, a couple of hours in a fixed based 737 sim and most people would regain the skill fairly quickly, in preparation for the big even,t 300 for a future career is not a lot.
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Old 18th Jan 2016, 11:16
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You'll find the tests are looking at capacity. Can you fly ok and have the ability to do other things at the same time? If you're using 100% of your capacity to just handle the aircraft you're not what they're looking for. NOTECHs are your ability to be able to recognise the big picture, including yourself, and be effective. Get the hang of that and you've cracked it for the Sim.
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Old 18th Jan 2016, 12:13
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HPbleed.
It's scary that in the recent AF 330 and Indonesia 320 accidents, the pilots were unable to hand fly aircraft with basic controls, had a full set of instruments, fully serviceable engines, but no auto throttle, and presumably ground speed from the GPS.
Looks like we're going the same way.
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Old 18th Jan 2016, 13:23
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fly4more:

but i can grease it on when it matters
I know it was only a throwaway comment, but BA do NOT want you to try and 'grease it on' as they see runway excursion as a major threat. They want you to do a standard landing in the touchdown zone when it matters!
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Old 18th Jan 2016, 16:23
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... yep they can plonk it down in the touch down zone, but dont look out of the window while taxying....
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Old 18th Jan 2016, 18:59
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"They" referring to whom? A lot of BA pilots post useful info on here, it would be a shame if they went away because of cheap shot postings like that one
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Old 18th Jan 2016, 20:06
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Anyone got direct entry 787 recently?
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Old 18th Jan 2016, 20:38
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Anyone got direct entry 787 recently?
A mate starts as DEP on the 787 in Apr. Previous experience RAF and large biz jets.
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Old 18th Jan 2016, 21:00
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ok great. Any idea how many seats are available?
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Old 18th Jan 2016, 21:16
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Any DEP 744 going atm?
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Old 19th Jan 2016, 06:46
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Mate going to the 787 was offered 787, 747 or 777 so all three available at the moment. He chose 787 because it was the first course to come up.
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Old 19th Jan 2016, 09:51
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I had my sim on a Thursday afternoon and received a phone call with the good news the following Monday. My sim partner heard 3 days later so 7 days from the sim (he also passed.)
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Old 19th Jan 2016, 10:40
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Originally Posted by flying11red View Post
Jwscud,

Thanks for your reply. I'll keep my fingers crossed a little bit longer.

Cheers
It can be nearly 2 weeks - keep the faith!
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Old 19th Jan 2016, 11:08
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Originally Posted by Megaton View Post
Mate going to the 787 was offered 787, 747 or 777 so all three available at the moment. He chose 787 because it was the first course to come up.
How long did he have to wait in the pool of you don't mind me asking?
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