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Old 13th Aug 2014, 09:42
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BA want to standardise the SH fleet to Airbus. As stated above most of the aging 737 fleet is already on its way to Victorville.

The current meat grinder that is SH is full of pilots wanting to make the move from SH to LH, an aspiration that is central to their giving continued support to the BACC during productivity changes that seem to be pointed squarely at SH. Any change to this aspiration attributed to DEP onto LH as has happened in the past would be met with a huge amount of resistance, so much so that I believe the BACC would have to block any such recruitment plans for the protection of its current members.

DEP onto the LH fleets will not happen for some considerable time, if ever IMHO. BA requires A380 pilots to have BA airbus experience, the 767 is winding down as is the 744, the 787 is becoming the most junior LH fleet with a massive queue of SH pilots waiting for it and the 777 fleet becomes more senior by the day as the 744 guys transfer across.

Whilst I think that DEP will be opened for non type rated pilots again they will all be going to the French Electric SH death jet either at Heathrow or at Gatwick under whatever rostering system exists at the time.
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Old 13th Aug 2014, 11:27
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When does recruitment resume for the "death" jet for someone who flies a slightly bigger version?
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Old 13th Aug 2014, 11:34
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When does recruitment resume for the "death" jet for someone who flies a slightly bigger version?
That's the million $ question isn't it. I think the current mess with manning levels, 'bidline's broken' management mantra and system replacements etc. will have to be resolved before any thought is given to that as established manning levels will, obviously, be a prime driver in future recruitment.
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Old 13th Aug 2014, 11:43
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Ok thanks, I'm hearing rumours that it may commence very soon though.
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Old 13th Aug 2014, 11:58
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How about the current A320 recruitment drive?! Any news?
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Old 13th Aug 2014, 12:05
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I am led to believe that some of those who have recently drowned in the pool have been offered 76 or 74 places. This at the same time as BA are directing some 76 guys to the bus. You couldn't make it up!!! There could be trouble ahead..

As the BA recruitment manager does occasionaly monitor this thread perhaps he would care to update one and all on what's going on. Pretty please......
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Old 13th Aug 2014, 12:23
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I fell out of the holdpool first week of Jan 2013. Non airbus rated and I've heard nothing.

Is there some kind of company criteria that you only could have drowned within the last year to be eligible for a call/email as the stuff you had then may have had only partially gone?

All I've heard from friends on various fleets is that bid line is getting the blame from management for being under under crewed and that the recent drive for bus pilots has fallen quite short for those with the right stuff.
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Old 13th Aug 2014, 14:01
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Drowned middle of last year. After the initial low period I accepted the fact that BA were adamant that the 18 months holding period was finite. The news today, although completely unconfirmed, is a bit annoying to say the least. Although i like to think the guys within pilot recruitment, who I was told had been pushing for our retention,have won a minor battle over the guys in HR. I accept this may merely be rumour, however considering the difficulties BA appear to be having with current crewing levels anything's possible. Plus there were around a dozen guys taken at the turn of the year who I presume had been drowned in the pool

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Old 13th Aug 2014, 14:25
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BA want to standardise the SH fleet to Airbus.
Are pilot's still going to be based at either LHR or LGW? If you're looking for rostering efficiency, surely dual-basing is an attractive option now the fleet is standardised? It's already done on the 777 IIRC..
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Old 13th Aug 2014, 14:57
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Non rated recruitment

Any possibility of opening the Non Rated recruitment in the near future?
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Old 13th Aug 2014, 15:37
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I too drowned around a year ago. I promise you, this is not a rumour. One of our fellow drowned swimmers (non bus rated) is starting in October on the bus. 100% definite.
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Old 13th Aug 2014, 16:19
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Are pilot's still going to be based at either LHR or LGW?
By your question I assume you mean two seperate bases? I assume so, LGW operates different payscales, pay caps and rostering systems on the 737 which I believe will continue when the fleet has transitioned to Airbus. There was initially a dual basing system as the LHR airbus crews would often cover work at Gatwick however, as the Airbus fleet grows at LGW that will decline.

The 777 is a different story as the fleet is 'run' from LHR with LHR flight crew but LGWcabin crew as I don't believe there is enough work, aircraft or F/C willingness to operate LH under Gatwick rules/rostering to justify a Gatwick base per se.

As stated above that is my opinion, I'm sure anyone from the Airbus fleet could possibly correct or corroborate the above.
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Old 14th Aug 2014, 13:40
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Didn't hear about the 744 or 767, but heard it was going to be for the 787. All due to training capacity and manning levels on SH.
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Old 14th Aug 2014, 14:34
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Didn't hear about the 744 or 767, but heard it was going to be for the 787. All due to training capacity and manning levels on SH.
Good rumour, however it seems to have been confirmed that all recruitment will be onto the A320, and in all likelihood with a LGW base.
There may be some movement onto the 747, but it will be internal only.
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Old 14th Aug 2014, 18:17
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Is the LGW deal a hangover from the Dan Air operation?
Those old 737-400s are from that era I think.
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Old 15th Aug 2014, 07:59
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Those old 737-400s are from that era I think.
No they are BA standard 734s from Heathrow - I used to fly them back in the 1990's
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Old 15th Aug 2014, 08:14
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The LGW working arrangements and contracts originated in the Dan-Air take over but the equipment and those contracts etc now are very different. Essentially everyone at LGW is paid the same as their LHR counterparts, but with different, lower pay caps. Rostering is different there being no Bidline at LGW. IF the new rostering system adopted at LHR turns out to be Bid Trip then it is highly likely that this would also be brought into LGW, bringing the T&Cs at the two bases closer together, though the pay caps would still be lower at LGW.

As the change of fleets at LGW continues there willl be some "Schedule K" work at LGW - essentially LHR pilots operating at LGW but on constructed Bidline trips at LGW, this includes hotac at LGW as dual basing is not allowed. All 777 work at LGW is done by LHR based pilots under Bidline, there is no 777 base for pilots at LGW nor is there any intent for that to change.
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Old 15th Aug 2014, 09:08
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I find the complexity baffling. Perhaps the military phrase "all of one Company" needs to be explored by BA Management. Unless of course they prefer "divide and conquer"?
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Old 15th Aug 2014, 11:55
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For two bases 50 miles apart, you couldn't make it up. It is a legacy of Dan Air, but that's over 20 years ago.

Either way, it should be apparent to all that BA is moving into the 21st century, and it won't be for the benefit of flightcrew. Still one of the best places to be for many in the UK imho.
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Old 15th Aug 2014, 12:58
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I think it's THE best place to work in the UK but this is dependant upon your seniority number and the fleet you're on. You're not joining the BA of yesteryear any longer, nor will you ever.
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