Swissair vs. Crossair
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Oh, Miami Air is a scab outfit?
Did not know that: Seen 'em around and chatted with some of the crews, thought they were Cubans or other locals...
Good to know, will make sure none of them guys get a jumpseat on my flights.
Got to go, prep the boat for a possible strike from 'cane Michelle.
Did not know that: Seen 'em around and chatted with some of the crews, thought they were Cubans or other locals...
Good to know, will make sure none of them guys get a jumpseat on my flights.
Got to go, prep the boat for a possible strike from 'cane Michelle.
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The Guvnor likes to bash unionized airline pilots and their "high" salaries. HMMMMMM,
I guess USAir's downfall is the pilots'
fault, right? Wrong! Leadership there stinks. Oh, but the GUV doesn't see that.
No way! Gangwal and Wolf have ruined that company. What Guv? What are you trying to say right now? You're Wrong! Ha! What?
Delta increased it's expenditures by $500 million a year? Tough----raise the fares a buck, and cut back on the 50 or so VP's.
Guv the Know it all-----go start another airline----and I bet it fails--again.
Wut Wut? Donkey Duke
I guess USAir's downfall is the pilots'
fault, right? Wrong! Leadership there stinks. Oh, but the GUV doesn't see that.
No way! Gangwal and Wolf have ruined that company. What Guv? What are you trying to say right now? You're Wrong! Ha! What?
Delta increased it's expenditures by $500 million a year? Tough----raise the fares a buck, and cut back on the 50 or so VP's.
Guv the Know it all-----go start another airline----and I bet it fails--again.
Wut Wut? Donkey Duke
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TowerDog - Miami Air was set up by the people who kept on working at EAL. They built up a hugely successful operation without an ALPA rep in sight; and I believe (though am open to correction) they sold it on a few years back for a massive profit.
On the other hand, you have Pride Air which was set up by a bunch of ALPA guys who were fired by CO in the first dispute with Lorenzo and they set up a 727 operation out of MSY. Unfortunately, it didn't last very long.
Make of that what you will!
On the other hand, you have Pride Air which was set up by a bunch of ALPA guys who were fired by CO in the first dispute with Lorenzo and they set up a 727 operation out of MSY. Unfortunately, it didn't last very long.
Make of that what you will!
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By the way YY, just to apply economics, as you prefer them to seniority...
DO you really think that someone like Saab two litres is going to get a MD11/A330 job while the CROSS-QUALIFIED A320/330 ex Swissair Captain will fly his Saab? Stop dreaming!
They still have valid licenses and they will fly the same airplanes they fly nowadays under same operational rules, anything else is far to expansive.
As for your obvious bad experience... Don't you think it is rather unfair to put all SR pilots in the same basked as their Union? Because in that case all LX pilots would be similarly incompetent as CCP partly is. And, as life at LX is soooo fantastic, why the heck does CCP exist at all?
Get real!
DO you really think that someone like Saab two litres is going to get a MD11/A330 job while the CROSS-QUALIFIED A320/330 ex Swissair Captain will fly his Saab? Stop dreaming!
They still have valid licenses and they will fly the same airplanes they fly nowadays under same operational rules, anything else is far to expansive.
As for your obvious bad experience... Don't you think it is rather unfair to put all SR pilots in the same basked as their Union? Because in that case all LX pilots would be similarly incompetent as CCP partly is. And, as life at LX is soooo fantastic, why the heck does CCP exist at all?
Get real!
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Hunter 58: (excellent wines from there then, by the way!...any coincidence?)
No of course I don't expect that. Saab 2000 pilots will continue to be Saab 2000 pilots, and the experienced and hightly valued cross qualified pilots you refer to, shortly to join LX will continue to fly the aircraft they currently fly....common sence wouldn't have it any other way. Seniority lists are no match for common sence...never have been!
I have mislead you if you think, even for a moment, that I, like the vast majority of my LX colleagues, have anything but the highest respect and admiration for the vast majority of SR pilots. It is Aeropers that is the problem; its thuggery, its insolence and its craven and odious behavior.
It is from the yoke of Aeropers that our SR colleagues need desperately to liberate themselves.
As for you final question; I have absolutely no idea why CCP exists. Seems like a complete waste of space to me. Lets get rid of both Aeropers and CCP, AND GET ON WITH IT!
No of course I don't expect that. Saab 2000 pilots will continue to be Saab 2000 pilots, and the experienced and hightly valued cross qualified pilots you refer to, shortly to join LX will continue to fly the aircraft they currently fly....common sence wouldn't have it any other way. Seniority lists are no match for common sence...never have been!
I have mislead you if you think, even for a moment, that I, like the vast majority of my LX colleagues, have anything but the highest respect and admiration for the vast majority of SR pilots. It is Aeropers that is the problem; its thuggery, its insolence and its craven and odious behavior.
It is from the yoke of Aeropers that our SR colleagues need desperately to liberate themselves.
As for you final question; I have absolutely no idea why CCP exists. Seems like a complete waste of space to me. Lets get rid of both Aeropers and CCP, AND GET ON WITH IT!
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Well really! What a bunch of moaning minnies! At least you still have jobs, spare a thought for those who have just lost theirs. I was flying for a contract company operating for Swissair and now I and most of my colleagues have been made redundant. A sobering thought dont you agree! 
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Woozle sorry about the jobs ,but this may be "sobering" too, 400... yes four hundred SWR. pilots have been made redundant as well
a time not to be too sober methinks! best of luck & find a new one soon...Cisco.
a time not to be too sober methinks! best of luck & find a new one soon...Cisco.
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Well YY, as you DON'T know why CCP exists, then why don't you try to find out BEFORE you say anything on this forum IN FUTURE?
Or are you one of these freshmen at LX who now get a pay and no esclavage pocket money anymore and did not know how times were before? Or are you maybe even the one that did get a personal recommendation from André in person saying that if he (André) heard him (the freshman Co) to have been teasing his Swissair colleagues so much that there was almost a fight in the OPS center, and that then he (André) would give him (the freshman Co) the boot?
But I suspect you're one of the ground hogs around the system that are so proud they made it to LX as no other airline wated them...
Yes, I know that was a bad one, and I know a lot of excellent LX people, but I also know some of the hogs... You find those everywhere on tha planet, not just in LX. On the other hand, the guys I was dealing with (with one exception) were all in the hog fraternity...
Makes me think in dark colors about the future of Swiss commercial avaiation...
Or are you one of these freshmen at LX who now get a pay and no esclavage pocket money anymore and did not know how times were before? Or are you maybe even the one that did get a personal recommendation from André in person saying that if he (André) heard him (the freshman Co) to have been teasing his Swissair colleagues so much that there was almost a fight in the OPS center, and that then he (André) would give him (the freshman Co) the boot?
But I suspect you're one of the ground hogs around the system that are so proud they made it to LX as no other airline wated them...
Yes, I know that was a bad one, and I know a lot of excellent LX people, but I also know some of the hogs... You find those everywhere on tha planet, not just in LX. On the other hand, the guys I was dealing with (with one exception) were all in the hog fraternity...
Makes me think in dark colors about the future of Swiss commercial avaiation...
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Pickings a bit slim, are they?
Esclavage (?), freshmen, boots and groundhogs!?!?!
What a frightening and murky world you inhabit!
Me thinks you think in dark colours..........
Pickings a bit slim, are they?
Esclavage (?), freshmen, boots and groundhogs!?!?!
What a frightening and murky world you inhabit!
Me thinks you think in dark colours..........
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Given the current bad blood between SR and LX, some of you might find this entertaining.
Apparently an AA jet taxied very close to a TWA jet in ORD where the AA first officer( thinking he had been screwed in the merger) decided to give his TWA counterparts the finger. When the TWA pilots saw this they obviously retaliated with a double barrel, but unbeknownst to either crew there was a high level marketing executive in the AA airplane and he, together with most pax. on that side of the jet saw this. This went to the highest level, and this highly unprofessional act, caused all four pilots involved a week off without pay.
Will we ever learn?!
On another note...Y.Y. If you aren't a potential future scab then I don't know who is!
Apparently an AA jet taxied very close to a TWA jet in ORD where the AA first officer( thinking he had been screwed in the merger) decided to give his TWA counterparts the finger. When the TWA pilots saw this they obviously retaliated with a double barrel, but unbeknownst to either crew there was a high level marketing executive in the AA airplane and he, together with most pax. on that side of the jet saw this. This went to the highest level, and this highly unprofessional act, caused all four pilots involved a week off without pay.
Will we ever learn?!
On another note...Y.Y. If you aren't a potential future scab then I don't know who is!
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Seems like a lot of trouble brewing between the LX and SR camps - a la Republic and Northwest airlines... Not a good situation given that teamwork will be a requisite to post-integration success...
Are there many SR crews looking into opportunities at Privatair? Sounds like Privatair will be ramping up its BBJ operation with new scheduled, transatlantic flights starting soon. Would Privatair opportunities be of interest to long-haul Swissair pilots?
Are there many SR crews looking into opportunities at Privatair? Sounds like Privatair will be ramping up its BBJ operation with new scheduled, transatlantic flights starting soon. Would Privatair opportunities be of interest to long-haul Swissair pilots?
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dark life and world? Oh, yes, if you think about september 11th, then it is...
But my own world is pretty fine. But I don't work neither for Crossair nor for Swissair. So why should I worry besides the future status of my Quliflyer Gold card...
The sun did shine today, and the weather was nicer than the meteorologists predicted, what should I need more, besides some PPRuNeing?
But you on the contrary have to start to look at things a little more sober... Especially with a failed Dutchman at the helm of Crossair!
dark life and world? Oh, yes, if you think about september 11th, then it is...
But my own world is pretty fine. But I don't work neither for Crossair nor for Swissair. So why should I worry besides the future status of my Quliflyer Gold card...
The sun did shine today, and the weather was nicer than the meteorologists predicted, what should I need more, besides some PPRuNeing?
But you on the contrary have to start to look at things a little more sober... Especially with a failed Dutchman at the helm of Crossair!
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HI YY,good to see you back on form again,keep reading the Delta thread it shows all you need to know about unions & why they exist in our business,no really effective Pilot organisations in Switzerland ,but much better than nothing.
Itīs a sad fact of life that if you have no real representation your working conditions & compensation will be derisory.
No need for
Over the top demands & silly benchmarking from either side,werenīt LX compared to some tiny Austrian outfit during the last negotiations?(by the management)so I say our representatives are necessary,but keep a close eye on them; your guy seems to be far too close to the management,who writes his scripts? donīt believe everything & remember managers get screwed too but they usually walk away with cash,sometimes we donīt even get to walk away!.Is that too dramatic ?.
Itīs a sad fact of life that if you have no real representation your working conditions & compensation will be derisory.
No need for
Over the top demands & silly benchmarking from either side,werenīt LX compared to some tiny Austrian outfit during the last negotiations?(by the management)so I say our representatives are necessary,but keep a close eye on them; your guy seems to be far too close to the management,who writes his scripts? donīt believe everything & remember managers get screwed too but they usually walk away with cash,sometimes we donīt even get to walk away!.Is that too dramatic ?.
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you really think our dear YY is holding any other yoke that the steering wheel of his car? I don't. He seems much more the last univerity type guy they got two floors below André's who thinks that after 3 weeks in the office he's figured out the airline business...
By the way, you mentioned you had the helm at (I think) one of the big three holers and now something new. May I enquire what?
you really think our dear YY is holding any other yoke that the steering wheel of his car? I don't. He seems much more the last univerity type guy they got two floors below André's who thinks that after 3 weeks in the office he's figured out the airline business...
By the way, you mentioned you had the helm at (I think) one of the big three holers and now something new. May I enquire what?
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Greetings Hunter & TD,Little girl with a big
mouth Hmmm.. the thought appeals!....donīt know why I got so wound up about the whole thing,just sorry to see a lot of good people on the street.Hunter I will let you know in due course via bulletin board.
mouth Hmmm.. the thought appeals!....donīt know why I got so wound up about the whole thing,just sorry to see a lot of good people on the street.Hunter I will let you know in due course via bulletin board.
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According to Reuters, AA is now in talks with Crossair regarding codesharing. This is important since there is always a posibility that flying within an alliance will be farmed out to the carrier with the lowest costs. We have already seen this within Oneworld, Star and Qualifier. This puts added pressure on all of you at this new airline to work together and try to get salaries up to competeive levels as soon as possible. The APA is currently assisting Lan Chile pilots in their ongoing fight with management, since that airline is trying to bust the union and get all those guys to fly at below industry standard rates. In the end we are all in this together.
Good luck.
Good luck.