Singaporean self-sponsored CPL holders - where are you?
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Heard that STATA has applied to CAAS for FTO status and that will mean that STATA will be able to issue a CAAS CPL/IR f/ATPL. Apparently CAAS will audit their Australian ops soon and that STATA is planning a recruitment for CAAS license course for 2009.
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Before you have even started your flight training,I will have to say that you are well versed on this topic..
You are extremely on the correct page and this is something I think alot of us Singaporeans have to start understanding..
A country that has no General Aviation at all for one to grow,you could even get a CAAS license,it will not get you far at all..Because no cadet sponsorship,doesn't mean you can enter any Singapore based airlines through the backdoor just by obtaining a CAAS license..
Self Sponsored means time to bug outta the country and grow as a pilot before returning home..well foreign exposure..good too..
Before you have even started your flight training,I will have to say that you are well versed on this topic..
You are extremely on the correct page and this is something I think alot of us Singaporeans have to start understanding..
A country that has no General Aviation at all for one to grow,you could even get a CAAS license,it will not get you far at all..Because no cadet sponsorship,doesn't mean you can enter any Singapore based airlines through the backdoor just by obtaining a CAAS license..
Self Sponsored means time to bug outta the country and grow as a pilot before returning home..well foreign exposure..good too..
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Dear ljjthegreat and phrixus,
About nil chances of self sponsored fATPL cadets getting into SQ, I might have to disagree, Coz I myself, am one of those self sponsored ones. Furthermore, all the 4 guys (Including myself) who got thru to the medical round (meaning passed psychomotor,psychometric, and tea party) all had flying experience. The least expereinced guy was one with SPL. As for me, I am getting my fATPL soon.
I just wanted to share the latest info with everyone.
About nil chances of self sponsored fATPL cadets getting into SQ, I might have to disagree, Coz I myself, am one of those self sponsored ones. Furthermore, all the 4 guys (Including myself) who got thru to the medical round (meaning passed psychomotor,psychometric, and tea party) all had flying experience. The least expereinced guy was one with SPL. As for me, I am getting my fATPL soon.
I just wanted to share the latest info with everyone.
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Hi Singapore001,
I will have to say its more of a one off situation..I am talking with regards to the majority of the crowd..Not a handful...Yes,I agree there are some who do eventually get in,but SQ has a policy too that you will have to re-do alot of your training though certain exemptions could possibly be given..And if you have gone through most of the rounds and dropped at a later stage,getting in is as gd as nil..or even if you were dropped at the very start for that matter..you have to bite your nails as much as the other guy right next to you who don't have any flight experience..One off situations do occur,but everyday isn't sunday..
Some guys who self sponsor themselves fly cessna 172's for 2 years before they upgrade,some fly Learjets immediately...What are your chances of flying a jet immediately???One off situation right there..
I won't disagree with you neither will I agree with you totally as well..You still go through the same company assesments,be it if you are a virgin or not..You make their cut,you enter the lair,you don't,find your way out..simple as that..
I will have to say its more of a one off situation..I am talking with regards to the majority of the crowd..Not a handful...Yes,I agree there are some who do eventually get in,but SQ has a policy too that you will have to re-do alot of your training though certain exemptions could possibly be given..And if you have gone through most of the rounds and dropped at a later stage,getting in is as gd as nil..or even if you were dropped at the very start for that matter..you have to bite your nails as much as the other guy right next to you who don't have any flight experience..One off situations do occur,but everyday isn't sunday..
Some guys who self sponsor themselves fly cessna 172's for 2 years before they upgrade,some fly Learjets immediately...What are your chances of flying a jet immediately???One off situation right there..
I won't disagree with you neither will I agree with you totally as well..You still go through the same company assesments,be it if you are a virgin or not..You make their cut,you enter the lair,you don't,find your way out..simple as that..
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Hey ljjthegreat,
hmm thanks for pondering over my statement. To me, CAAS protecting Singaporeans does make a difference despite our small no. of airlines. We just had a chap here who's in a Sg LCC but he disappeared after being exposed that he's a Msian?
And we have many Msians in SIA. Are we self sponsored really worse than Msian SIA cadets? I beg to differ...only thing being that at the point of interview, we fared worse.
Etihad Airways actually took the SIA route by offering cadetship to all nationalities a while back but scrapped the plan as locals complained of the lack of opportunities given inwards. Oh well, it's SIA's and the LCC's prerogative to offer jobs to so called perceived better talents. However, I cannot help but lament and feel unloved by my own country.
So good luck anyway in your endeavours. Dream big
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Sorry, didn't mean to sound discouraging at all...that was just my point of view. I can't be totally sure so anyway, cheers and gd luck!
hmm thanks for pondering over my statement. To me, CAAS protecting Singaporeans does make a difference despite our small no. of airlines. We just had a chap here who's in a Sg LCC but he disappeared after being exposed that he's a Msian?
And we have many Msians in SIA. Are we self sponsored really worse than Msian SIA cadets? I beg to differ...only thing being that at the point of interview, we fared worse.
Etihad Airways actually took the SIA route by offering cadetship to all nationalities a while back but scrapped the plan as locals complained of the lack of opportunities given inwards. Oh well, it's SIA's and the LCC's prerogative to offer jobs to so called perceived better talents. However, I cannot help but lament and feel unloved by my own country.
So good luck anyway in your endeavours. Dream big
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Sorry, didn't mean to sound discouraging at all...that was just my point of view. I can't be totally sure so anyway, cheers and gd luck!
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Hi ljjthegreat,
After reading much of the issue I must say that you do have the determination to fly. Yes, Aviation in SG is at its pit-bottom as compared to other countries. Well, if you wish to self-sponsor, your mindset was the correct way that a pilot should be.
just hope to ask you 1 qns, If you are being offered a self-sponsored SFC position will you take it up? or will you go to other flight schools since GA is dead in SG.
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After reading much of the issue I must say that you do have the determination to fly. Yes, Aviation in SG is at its pit-bottom as compared to other countries. Well, if you wish to self-sponsor, your mindset was the correct way that a pilot should be.
just hope to ask you 1 qns, If you are being offered a self-sponsored SFC position will you take it up? or will you go to other flight schools since GA is dead in SG.
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Hi there,
yes, what you say its true and the only difference will be SFC gives you another opportunity to perform to impress.. thats the only difference.
As for being a FI, base on my knowledge (never been a FI) I believe that SFC instructors should have jet hours as well. its because of the rotation of training aircrafts from C152s to the LJ45. by the end of the day you might get a airline job with the mother company if all goes well perhaps at a shorter time then other self-sponsored individuals.
SFC charges the highest in the region (I think) and therefore financial stability is important but from what i know, not many can join SFC as a private cadet as well as they have similar interviews and test prior to being selected. But at such current uncertainty and recession period, its wise to selected the best flight school that meets individuals financial and operational benefits.
Well, you seem logical and you definetly know the route you would take. good luck!
PS:yes starting overseas employment for FI or flying jobs is easily in Asia Region with a SG passport, but other regions, work permit and visas will pose a high number of issues which you will understand when you start applying for jobs... so i guess its back to square 1 in terms of the nationality of your licenses. Big airlines can afford the cost while small flight schools might want you to absorb the charges and the XX gurantee. I have hit this wall hard during the start of my career, but determination will ensure you a place in this industry! you got that!
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yes, what you say its true and the only difference will be SFC gives you another opportunity to perform to impress.. thats the only difference.
As for being a FI, base on my knowledge (never been a FI) I believe that SFC instructors should have jet hours as well. its because of the rotation of training aircrafts from C152s to the LJ45. by the end of the day you might get a airline job with the mother company if all goes well perhaps at a shorter time then other self-sponsored individuals.
SFC charges the highest in the region (I think) and therefore financial stability is important but from what i know, not many can join SFC as a private cadet as well as they have similar interviews and test prior to being selected. But at such current uncertainty and recession period, its wise to selected the best flight school that meets individuals financial and operational benefits.
Well, you seem logical and you definetly know the route you would take. good luck!
PS:yes starting overseas employment for FI or flying jobs is easily in Asia Region with a SG passport, but other regions, work permit and visas will pose a high number of issues which you will understand when you start applying for jobs... so i guess its back to square 1 in terms of the nationality of your licenses. Big airlines can afford the cost while small flight schools might want you to absorb the charges and the XX gurantee. I have hit this wall hard during the start of my career, but determination will ensure you a place in this industry! you got that!
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instructors going over to SIA after being an instructor at SFC for couple of years but its not assured, and if one doesnt, one is stuck at SFC forever. (if one wants to work in Singapore cos there's no other GA jobs in Singapore!)
May i know whats LCC. If u say that those private cadets that go through the SFC course are not going to be bonded to SIA, a low probability, then where do they go to? If i am not wrong, those that go through the ab-initio programm will eventually be a SIA pilot right? And those that are self-sponsored cadets will also go through the same program as those from the ab-initio. So wont they eventually be part of SIA recruitment plans?
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Hi,
well, I guess it will be best for you to try the cadetship programmes as its the most economical way a singaporean takes.
as for SIA cadets, yes they do have a job, but they are still at the risk of getting chopped due to many factors, thus in the aviation world there are no things like 'comfrimed' placing. There are surely many cadets whom get dropped out of SFC and its stringent criterias meant that only the best will get through the 3-4yrs of training... So by gettting the FO contract then one may say that they have a pilot job with SQ, if not uncertaintly still remains, but at the lower side then self-sponsored cadets in SFC or any other flight schools.
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well, I guess it will be best for you to try the cadetship programmes as its the most economical way a singaporean takes.
as for SIA cadets, yes they do have a job, but they are still at the risk of getting chopped due to many factors, thus in the aviation world there are no things like 'comfrimed' placing. There are surely many cadets whom get dropped out of SFC and its stringent criterias meant that only the best will get through the 3-4yrs of training... So by gettting the FO contract then one may say that they have a pilot job with SQ, if not uncertaintly still remains, but at the lower side then self-sponsored cadets in SFC or any other flight schools.
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With regards to rotation flying the C152's and the LJ45's,I would like to ask though,what are the chances of a newbie being allowed to instruct on the LJ's???
From a business point of view,you can remain in SFC for atleast 4-5 years before they allow you to touch their baby LJ's...
I know from my training days that in a school with say,15 instructors for example,only2 or 3 instructors get to instruct on the twin engine aircraft (that also piston) and the instructors who get to teach on the twin aircraft are the more senior ones and who have kind of become career instructors more than someone who's trying to build quick hours and bug out..
Flight schools are smart...If they allow a newbie to start instructing on bigger machines,they know,you are gonna build your hours and leave asap...and that's not what they want..they want to keep you as long as possible..so your only consolation is that you are building flight time,which is mostly single engine pistons..
I had the same impression before,I will start instructing on single engines and then move on to twins,and etc..but the inside story is always about business..they will keep you because they know you need flight experience and they won't upgrade you soon because they know you are gonna build some turbine time or jet time and leave for a better job...this whole industry has been screwed thanks to the many pilots out there who are old now who have played with the system so much to the point that companies know it and they try to defend the system now..
So chances of building some turbine time with SFC i personally think is going to be a slim chance for sure..or be it anywhere..even in the foreign lands,you might not be allowed to instruct on the twin soon enough,perhaps until you get at least 1000 hours perhaps before they even allow you to instruct on it..and guess what,and by the time your 1 year work visa is up,you would have built 1000 hours perhaps but i doubt you'd have any multi instructing time..so by that time,its time ti find a new job and grow with the new company perhaps...
From a business point of view,you can remain in SFC for atleast 4-5 years before they allow you to touch their baby LJ's...
I know from my training days that in a school with say,15 instructors for example,only2 or 3 instructors get to instruct on the twin engine aircraft (that also piston) and the instructors who get to teach on the twin aircraft are the more senior ones and who have kind of become career instructors more than someone who's trying to build quick hours and bug out..
Flight schools are smart...If they allow a newbie to start instructing on bigger machines,they know,you are gonna build your hours and leave asap...and that's not what they want..they want to keep you as long as possible..so your only consolation is that you are building flight time,which is mostly single engine pistons..
I had the same impression before,I will start instructing on single engines and then move on to twins,and etc..but the inside story is always about business..they will keep you because they know you need flight experience and they won't upgrade you soon because they know you are gonna build some turbine time or jet time and leave for a better job...this whole industry has been screwed thanks to the many pilots out there who are old now who have played with the system so much to the point that companies know it and they try to defend the system now..
So chances of building some turbine time with SFC i personally think is going to be a slim chance for sure..or be it anywhere..even in the foreign lands,you might not be allowed to instruct on the twin soon enough,perhaps until you get at least 1000 hours perhaps before they even allow you to instruct on it..and guess what,and by the time your 1 year work visa is up,you would have built 1000 hours perhaps but i doubt you'd have any multi instructing time..so by that time,its time ti find a new job and grow with the new company perhaps...
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Well,I shall not talk with regards to other nationalities,but for us Singaporeans,who really suffer because we don't have any GA in our country,we have to build that minimum 1000 hours or anything more is definitely a bonus...I am not saying having 800 - 900 is not good but the more the merrier right..
So perhaps once you kinda hit 800-1000 hours,you will have to start applying perhaps to companies,specifically companies having multi engine aircrafts and this does not but could include the airlines or LCC's...Jet operators will give you all the bull**** for example:
XXX total flight time reqd
YYY PIC time reqd
ZZZ hours on type
This is where we suffer..but many smaller companies just want to see your total flight time,they don't even care abt your 20 hour Multi Engine time you built while getting the rating..They just want to be in the safe zone with regards to their insurance policies..
As easy as it may sound,this is the perfect picture but what happens in the end all depends on the almighty..
But just to inform you,there are companies who will hire you as long as you have close to or more than a thousand hours of flight time, and this is where you get your break and start building those multi time..
Well,I shall not talk with regards to other nationalities,but for us Singaporeans,who really suffer because we don't have any GA in our country,we have to build that minimum 1000 hours or anything more is definitely a bonus...I am not saying having 800 - 900 is not good but the more the merrier right..
So perhaps once you kinda hit 800-1000 hours,you will have to start applying perhaps to companies,specifically companies having multi engine aircrafts and this does not but could include the airlines or LCC's...Jet operators will give you all the bull**** for example:
XXX total flight time reqd
YYY PIC time reqd
ZZZ hours on type
This is where we suffer..but many smaller companies just want to see your total flight time,they don't even care abt your 20 hour Multi Engine time you built while getting the rating..They just want to be in the safe zone with regards to their insurance policies..
As easy as it may sound,this is the perfect picture but what happens in the end all depends on the almighty..
But just to inform you,there are companies who will hire you as long as you have close to or more than a thousand hours of flight time, and this is where you get your break and start building those multi time..
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Your question is similiar to asking 'a psle score of 250 will get me into good secondary schools?' Minimums vary a lot even amongst 'small companies'. Single and multi do not differ as much as piston and jet if this was what you meant to ask. It makes perfect sense if an employer considers 1000 single hours sufficient for multi ops, just as a LCC will hire someone with no jet experience to fly A320s.
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Yeaps,adding to the previous example of a 1000 hour pilot with no jet time entering an LCC(this is true), would be a flight instructor,for example who taught students all the way when he/she had a mere 250 hours right up to when he/she has a 1000 hours,simply teaching on single engine a/c's, and suddenly makes a transition to teach on the twin aircraft.
If you look at the flight instructor's example,I could question on how this is possible when you know the single engine aircraft way better than a multi engine aircraft and just because you have a thousand hours of which 750 is instructional time, and suddenly this allows you to instruct on the multi????and this also when you have only 20 hours on the multi engine aircraft????But this scenario is true...It happens all the time...You Multi engine instructor could be a pilot with only 20 hours...lol...
Well this is the industry...It does get confusing if you want to dig way deeper into the knitty gritty of things but you know,you should thank the system,because if these kinda stuff don't exist,i can tell you for sure brother,that most of us will be single engine pilots for most of our flying careers..
If you look at the flight instructor's example,I could question on how this is possible when you know the single engine aircraft way better than a multi engine aircraft and just because you have a thousand hours of which 750 is instructional time, and suddenly this allows you to instruct on the multi????and this also when you have only 20 hours on the multi engine aircraft????But this scenario is true...It happens all the time...You Multi engine instructor could be a pilot with only 20 hours...lol...
Well this is the industry...It does get confusing if you want to dig way deeper into the knitty gritty of things but you know,you should thank the system,because if these kinda stuff don't exist,i can tell you for sure brother,that most of us will be single engine pilots for most of our flying careers..
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I have done an enquiry with SFC about the ab-initio flight instructor scheme and I personally know an instructor who is working there under the bond. The job won't allow you near a L45 anytime which is based in Aus. The job scope of a Singaporean SFC instructor is to teach the first 15 hours of basic flying in a C152 at Seletar. After doing so, the instructor will access the cadet's performance and grade him. If he fails the first 15 hours of basic flying, out he goes.
So for the 5 years there you will be instructing in a C152, nothing else. As you can see from the SFC website, they recruit instructors based in Singapore, and instructors based in Aus. So the Aussie instructors are probably the ones that are qualified to instruct in a L45.
I admire all the determination and willingness to go West by you guys, but for me I've got people back here I've got to take care/hang on to. Guess that's my compromising factor. I really wish I could just turn my back on them and head to a land far away, pursue my dreams but that really won't be nice of me. Ahh Sigh, Sillypore - the place that is too darn small for any GA. But I am still determined to become a pilot no matter what tries to stop me.
I have done an enquiry with SFC about the ab-initio flight instructor scheme and I personally know an instructor who is working there under the bond. The job won't allow you near a L45 anytime which is based in Aus. The job scope of a Singaporean SFC instructor is to teach the first 15 hours of basic flying in a C152 at Seletar. After doing so, the instructor will access the cadet's performance and grade him. If he fails the first 15 hours of basic flying, out he goes.
So for the 5 years there you will be instructing in a C152, nothing else. As you can see from the SFC website, they recruit instructors based in Singapore, and instructors based in Aus. So the Aussie instructors are probably the ones that are qualified to instruct in a L45.
I admire all the determination and willingness to go West by you guys, but for me I've got people back here I've got to take care/hang on to. Guess that's my compromising factor. I really wish I could just turn my back on them and head to a land far away, pursue my dreams but that really won't be nice of me. Ahh Sigh, Sillypore - the place that is too darn small for any GA. But I am still determined to become a pilot no matter what tries to stop me.
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ljjthegreat:
Yeah I did my training in Canada,a wonderful place in general,but way backwards when you compare it to Singapore, so you might feel it if you are heading that direction...But if I had a chance to rewind the whole process of my training,I guess I would pick the US,specifically a flight school based in Florida...I suffered alot because I had to wait for weather to clear..I always did my flight preps on time and everything..my instructor was always available for me but one thing that delayed me for 3 years was the weather...The weather in Canada is so bad that you are always up for surprises when you wake up in the morning...
And yes,I was in Africa for abit...The company in Africa got me the visa...How they got that sorted out,I am not sure but usually developing countries that need pilots will help you all out to get you into their country to work for their company..
But for first world nations like US,Canada,Australia,NZ,West Europe,etc,getting a visa is going to be a major problem...I would suggest to make use of their after graduation work visa which lasts for a year in the US and then go to an undeveloped country and work there...and if you have worked as an instructor in the US for a while,getting a job in Malaysia as an instructor is going to be very easy...and while in Malaysia,you could start doing some conversions and who knows,you could try their airline companies..there are Singaporeans in AA,FireFly,MasWings too...so thats an option rite there...
And yeah i just checked your msg in my mailbox..I just saw it..will reply to that too soon..
YANTZ:
Thanks for that information..In fact i was being a little optimistic by saying that it would take 4-5 years before you touch their shiny baby..haha..but thanks for that...I kinda know that the LJ's are definitely to see and not to touch..lol...And abt the Aussie guys instructing on the LJ's,i doubt that as well unless they are type rated on it with an instructor rating for high performance aircrafts...
I strongly would believe that the instructors are the senior pilots from SQ who are actually Training Captains with SQ...Reason I say this is because my uncle,who is a Training Captain with SQ,was told to instruct instead of flying on the line..What he was told to instruct,I am not sure but I believe being a Training Captain,he wouldn't be a Sim Instructor neither would he be a C152 instructor..Though he bugged out of that deal,it was a deal that was given to him and instead of getting an outsider,SQ might as well get someone from the SQ family to do the job right...
But your information is bang on YANTZ..thats exactly what happens anywhere in the world..
If I owned a flight school,I wouldn't want my C152 instructor to even go close to my Jets..lol...I have to lure them to stick longer and work their ass off for my company...Thats how it is...nothing very sad about this,its purely business,but yeah we suffer as pilots..true enough..
And Yantz,about you having alot of pple behind,I guess we all do..I was always so attached to my mother,it was so difficult..I even had a gf when I left..But yeah,**** happened because of the long distance relationship,but so what,I have my flying job now..I have a white gf now which I picked up from Canada..lol...Like going shopping ah..lol..I guess,to make it,sacrifices..you want to be fit,sacrifices,you want to be rich,sacrifices..You need to sacrifice alot to move way ahead...nothing comes easy..
Yeah I did my training in Canada,a wonderful place in general,but way backwards when you compare it to Singapore, so you might feel it if you are heading that direction...But if I had a chance to rewind the whole process of my training,I guess I would pick the US,specifically a flight school based in Florida...I suffered alot because I had to wait for weather to clear..I always did my flight preps on time and everything..my instructor was always available for me but one thing that delayed me for 3 years was the weather...The weather in Canada is so bad that you are always up for surprises when you wake up in the morning...
And yes,I was in Africa for abit...The company in Africa got me the visa...How they got that sorted out,I am not sure but usually developing countries that need pilots will help you all out to get you into their country to work for their company..
But for first world nations like US,Canada,Australia,NZ,West Europe,etc,getting a visa is going to be a major problem...I would suggest to make use of their after graduation work visa which lasts for a year in the US and then go to an undeveloped country and work there...and if you have worked as an instructor in the US for a while,getting a job in Malaysia as an instructor is going to be very easy...and while in Malaysia,you could start doing some conversions and who knows,you could try their airline companies..there are Singaporeans in AA,FireFly,MasWings too...so thats an option rite there...
And yeah i just checked your msg in my mailbox..I just saw it..will reply to that too soon..
YANTZ:
Thanks for that information..In fact i was being a little optimistic by saying that it would take 4-5 years before you touch their shiny baby..haha..but thanks for that...I kinda know that the LJ's are definitely to see and not to touch..lol...And abt the Aussie guys instructing on the LJ's,i doubt that as well unless they are type rated on it with an instructor rating for high performance aircrafts...
I strongly would believe that the instructors are the senior pilots from SQ who are actually Training Captains with SQ...Reason I say this is because my uncle,who is a Training Captain with SQ,was told to instruct instead of flying on the line..What he was told to instruct,I am not sure but I believe being a Training Captain,he wouldn't be a Sim Instructor neither would he be a C152 instructor..Though he bugged out of that deal,it was a deal that was given to him and instead of getting an outsider,SQ might as well get someone from the SQ family to do the job right...
But your information is bang on YANTZ..thats exactly what happens anywhere in the world..
If I owned a flight school,I wouldn't want my C152 instructor to even go close to my Jets..lol...I have to lure them to stick longer and work their ass off for my company...Thats how it is...nothing very sad about this,its purely business,but yeah we suffer as pilots..true enough..
And Yantz,about you having alot of pple behind,I guess we all do..I was always so attached to my mother,it was so difficult..I even had a gf when I left..But yeah,**** happened because of the long distance relationship,but so what,I have my flying job now..I have a white gf now which I picked up from Canada..lol...Like going shopping ah..lol..I guess,to make it,sacrifices..you want to be fit,sacrifices,you want to be rich,sacrifices..You need to sacrifice alot to move way ahead...nothing comes easy..
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Well i guess that sums it all up. Try for the ab-initio scheme and if u fail go elsewhere. However if u have the resources available, go ahead with yr flight training elsewhere and if yr ultimate goal is to fly for SQ, go and apply when your back after yr flight training. Reccommended places of flight training? Reading back on almost most of the post in this thread, i guess AUS and US (Florida) are the best places to go to?
By the way guys may i know if the STATA training standards recognised by the CAAS? STATA is own by Singapore Technology and quite a number of Singaporeans are getting their flight training there in Australia. Im also actually quite confused by the FAA and CAAS conversion issue? Can anyone with a good idea of the conversion shed some light on the matter =D
By the way guys may i know if the STATA training standards recognised by the CAAS? STATA is own by Singapore Technology and quite a number of Singaporeans are getting their flight training there in Australia. Im also actually quite confused by the FAA and CAAS conversion issue? Can anyone with a good idea of the conversion shed some light on the matter =D
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As of now, STATA offers CASA licenses which can be converted to CAAS.
For conversion to CAAS, no matter FAA JAA or CASA, you need to be employed by a 9V- operator first. Then you retake some(or alot) of the papers to get it.
For conversion to CAAS, no matter FAA JAA or CASA, you need to be employed by a 9V- operator first. Then you retake some(or alot) of the papers to get it.
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Gentlemen,
Regarding SFC Instructor's Scheme, just to clarify that transfer between Seletar, Jandakot and especially Maroochydore is very unlikely...
When you're accepted as Cadet Flight Instructor, you will go the same training as the normal cadets until you finish the Jandakot phase. Then, depending on where they put you for the instructor rating (can be in MFA or in RACWA). Upon completion of your instructor rating you will have to instruct for a few month as junior instructor in MFA or SFC Jandakot before coming back to SFC Seletar to become a full-fledged instructor. The reason is in order to clear cadets for their first solo in Seletar, you have to become a Grade 2 Instructor (which if I'm not mistaken the CAAS regulation states that you have to instruct for at least 200 hours with 20 hours navigation and at least for 3 months).
Transfer between Seletar (C152) and Jandakot (C172/BE 58) is very rare... but the other way around is more common for temporary basis when there is acute shortage of instructors in Seletar.
Transfer between Jandakot (or Seletar) and Maroochydore is close to impossible... In order to teach in L45, you have to have multi engine turbine hours and preferably scheduled airlines command experience... Most of the instructors in Maroochydore are ex-airlines captains, and the rest are ex-air force instructors...
JA
Regarding SFC Instructor's Scheme, just to clarify that transfer between Seletar, Jandakot and especially Maroochydore is very unlikely...
When you're accepted as Cadet Flight Instructor, you will go the same training as the normal cadets until you finish the Jandakot phase. Then, depending on where they put you for the instructor rating (can be in MFA or in RACWA). Upon completion of your instructor rating you will have to instruct for a few month as junior instructor in MFA or SFC Jandakot before coming back to SFC Seletar to become a full-fledged instructor. The reason is in order to clear cadets for their first solo in Seletar, you have to become a Grade 2 Instructor (which if I'm not mistaken the CAAS regulation states that you have to instruct for at least 200 hours with 20 hours navigation and at least for 3 months).
Transfer between Seletar (C152) and Jandakot (C172/BE 58) is very rare... but the other way around is more common for temporary basis when there is acute shortage of instructors in Seletar.
Transfer between Jandakot (or Seletar) and Maroochydore is close to impossible... In order to teach in L45, you have to have multi engine turbine hours and preferably scheduled airlines command experience... Most of the instructors in Maroochydore are ex-airlines captains, and the rest are ex-air force instructors...
JA
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YANTZ:
We do have people to look after & take care of, I'm no exception but the issue is how bad you want this?? If you cannot afford the time, like someone I know (with 2 school going kids), he is going to Malaysia to do his PPL 1st.
Once he is done with the Malaysia PPL, he intends to covert to a CASA PPL & continue with his modular CPL training.
As for me, I am lucky that I got my wife's blessings & her parent's support to look after 2 of my kids to be able to pursue my flight training down under.
We do have people to look after & take care of, I'm no exception but the issue is how bad you want this?? If you cannot afford the time, like someone I know (with 2 school going kids), he is going to Malaysia to do his PPL 1st.
Once he is done with the Malaysia PPL, he intends to covert to a CASA PPL & continue with his modular CPL training.
As for me, I am lucky that I got my wife's blessings & her parent's support to look after 2 of my kids to be able to pursue my flight training down under.
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Hi smileairlines,
thanks for clearing up, but when i did my LJ45 many years back, it was not ex airline capts but yes there are ex-rsaf personnel and I am netiher a FI with SFC sorry for the confusion. therefore i do not wish to comment futher.
Well, good luck for all who wish to self-sponsor...
one little advise, read these forums with an in-out method, attain the dream of flying if you really want too.. i find that this thread has been useful yet in a way it might smash someone elses dreams and information might not be accurate. certain advise have been percieved to me as uncertain and not right way. Do what is deemed right and move on from there. we can predict the future and how the market will do but with passion for flying and the strong determination. one will make it.
Great way to fly
thanks for clearing up, but when i did my LJ45 many years back, it was not ex airline capts but yes there are ex-rsaf personnel and I am netiher a FI with SFC sorry for the confusion. therefore i do not wish to comment futher.
Well, good luck for all who wish to self-sponsor...
one little advise, read these forums with an in-out method, attain the dream of flying if you really want too.. i find that this thread has been useful yet in a way it might smash someone elses dreams and information might not be accurate. certain advise have been percieved to me as uncertain and not right way. Do what is deemed right and move on from there. we can predict the future and how the market will do but with passion for flying and the strong determination. one will make it.
Great way to fly