Singaporean self-sponsored CPL holders - where are you?
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This thread is for self-sponsored CPL holders, its true that everyone would want to part of the SQ family one day if given a chance just like myself.
Although many people said that the 26 age barrier is not a must as long as yr rejected by the Airforce? Am i assuming that once after completion of NS one is able to apply for SQ if yr a singaporean. Which by that time one would be of age 22-23?
The chances of getting into the SQ cadet program every year are slim especially with the economic Crisis, i know that even self-sponsored CPL holders that come back to apply for the program need not be given any previllege, however at least they would have other opportunities out there. Hence i am for the idea of self-sponsoring. So at around age 22-23 if a singaporean is eligible to apply for the cadet program that would be good. If one fails at least one can go all out for the idea of self-sponsors ship overseas with no regrets. Can anyone confirm this?
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Although many people said that the 26 age barrier is not a must as long as yr rejected by the Airforce? Am i assuming that once after completion of NS one is able to apply for SQ if yr a singaporean. Which by that time one would be of age 22-23?
The chances of getting into the SQ cadet program every year are slim especially with the economic Crisis, i know that even self-sponsored CPL holders that come back to apply for the program need not be given any previllege, however at least they would have other opportunities out there. Hence i am for the idea of self-sponsoring. So at around age 22-23 if a singaporean is eligible to apply for the cadet program that would be good. If one fails at least one can go all out for the idea of self-sponsors ship overseas with no regrets. Can anyone confirm this?
Thanks
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ii) Alternatively, you may wish to undergo a full CPL flying training school overseas and obtain a foreign CPL or ATPL. We will consider converting the licences to a Singapore equivalent.
I know that one must be employed by a 9V-Operator in order to have the foreign CPL or ATPL converted. I am assuming that any flight school from any country is possible and any license can be converted?
Next, flying schools overseas which are approved by CAAS?
Whats the difference between being approved and not when any license can be converted assuming my assumption is correct. Whats the difference between the Mou between SFC, Massey and other schools when in the above statement, a conversion is considered as long as one is employed by a 9V-operator. I am confused can someone enlighten me on this matter.
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I know that one must be employed by a 9V-Operator in order to have the foreign CPL or ATPL converted. I am assuming that any flight school from any country is possible and any license can be converted?
Next, flying schools overseas which are approved by CAAS?
Whats the difference between being approved and not when any license can be converted assuming my assumption is correct. Whats the difference between the Mou between SFC, Massey and other schools when in the above statement, a conversion is considered as long as one is employed by a 9V-operator. I am confused can someone enlighten me on this matter.
Thanks
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You are correct about the first 3 (now in SQ group not necessarily SQ itself).
Let me check the exact number and their status. Around 10 sounds correct. There could be some confidentiality issues. I'll get back to you.
@TI,
I believe the SS candidates you're referring to are those that trained outside of Singapore.
What about those SS candidates that trained with SFC. I believe SFC started taking a few since 2 years ago (I heard the number might be in the region of about 10 till now)?
Word is the first 3 that did it were signed up by SQ. Don't know what happened to the rest though. Can you confirm?
I believe the SS candidates you're referring to are those that trained outside of Singapore.
What about those SS candidates that trained with SFC. I believe SFC started taking a few since 2 years ago (I heard the number might be in the region of about 10 till now)?
Word is the first 3 that did it were signed up by SQ. Don't know what happened to the rest though. Can you confirm?
Let me check the exact number and their status. Around 10 sounds correct. There could be some confidentiality issues. I'll get back to you.
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The SFC private candidate is a recent phenomenon. Before that anyone who wanted to do his own CPL had to go overseas. I am referring to such people, not the SFC private candidates.
I can only advise you of the statistics that most of the pilots who paid for their own CPL, have ended up in SQ.
Whether they did this solely to get into SQ (rejected at the final round or not), or were never part of the cadet selection process right from the start, or just spent their father's money with no idea where they wanted to work and suddenly ended up in SQ, or whatever, is anybody's guess.
It's all well and good in your case and circle of friends to do as you please. But facts and statistics are reality.
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I would have to disagree with you that most self-sponsored do it to join SQ. That would be more accurate a statement if you refer to SFC private cadets.
After I got rejected final round by SQ, I nvr did my fATPL for the hope of getting into SQ someday. I knw once they reject, that's it. What's more with HK and Indian prospects, on top of Msians fighting for places.
There are a few friends who think that way like me.
I would have to disagree with you that most self-sponsored do it to join SQ. That would be more accurate a statement if you refer to SFC private cadets.
After I got rejected final round by SQ, I nvr did my fATPL for the hope of getting into SQ someday. I knw once they reject, that's it. What's more with HK and Indian prospects, on top of Msians fighting for places.
There are a few friends who think that way like me.
The SFC private candidate is a recent phenomenon. Before that anyone who wanted to do his own CPL had to go overseas. I am referring to such people, not the SFC private candidates.
I can only advise you of the statistics that most of the pilots who paid for their own CPL, have ended up in SQ.
Whether they did this solely to get into SQ (rejected at the final round or not), or were never part of the cadet selection process right from the start, or just spent their father's money with no idea where they wanted to work and suddenly ended up in SQ, or whatever, is anybody's guess.
It's all well and good in your case and circle of friends to do as you please. But facts and statistics are reality.
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Hmm,you keep surprising me...I am not sure whats your backstand to all these words being used but yes,for one thing,the First Officer is equally as influential as the Captain...As much as you could tell your F/O to leave,he has equal rights to not want to fly with you considering you as a hazard to safe operation with your attitude as well..I hope you know this much too..
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It is indeed very sad to see professional educated pilots using abusive languages and have cheap thrills in blowing someone else's cover,be it if someone was hostile in your eyes..
In aviation,where there is no patience and tolerance,now thats a hazard to the environment and to safe practices of flying an aircraft
If it were a cockpit I would have told you to 
and got security to offload you if you did get to the aircraft without pissing me off when we sign on for work with your arrogant nit-picking arguments and false accusations. Because it will be my judgment that you are a hazard to safe operation with your attitude.
and got security to offload you if you did get to the aircraft without pissing me off when we sign on for work with your arrogant nit-picking arguments and false accusations. Because it will be my judgment that you are a hazard to safe operation with your attitude.
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And if you ever make it into SIA, I look forward to telling you to from my cockpit.
from my cockpit.
In aviation,where there is no patience and tolerance,now thats a hazard to the environment and to safe practices of flying an aircraft
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"Whether they did this solely to get into SQ (rejected at the final round or not), or were never part of the cadet selection process right from the start, or just spent their father's money with no idea where they wanted to work and suddenly ended up in SQ, or whatever, is anybody's guess."
Please learn to be more constructive in this forum. Showing the bitter truth is one thing, but not offering any solutions isn't very constructive either. Instead of just harping on getting into SQ, why not offer some possible solutions? All self-sponsored candidates know how hard it is to seek employment but you're not helping by not offering any possible solutions.
I believe that the original intent of this thread is to help Singaporean self-sponsored CPL holders and not to gun them down and say: If you're not in SQ, don't even THINK about flying for a living.
That smacks of elitism to me. No offense intended but I thought such Jurassic attitudes were a thing of the past.
Please learn to be more constructive in this forum. Showing the bitter truth is one thing, but not offering any solutions isn't very constructive either. Instead of just harping on getting into SQ, why not offer some possible solutions? All self-sponsored candidates know how hard it is to seek employment but you're not helping by not offering any possible solutions.
I believe that the original intent of this thread is to help Singaporean self-sponsored CPL holders and not to gun them down and say: If you're not in SQ, don't even THINK about flying for a living.
That smacks of elitism to me. No offense intended but I thought such Jurassic attitudes were a thing of the past.
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TI: Why the fascination with joining SQ? This is the typical elitist, old-shool, arrogant attitude that really puts people off Singapore and Singaporeans. (I am a Singaporean btw)
Why not offer some constructive advice for self-sponsored CPL holders? Perhaps that is not your nature...
Why not offer some constructive advice for self-sponsored CPL holders? Perhaps that is not your nature...
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Woah! Let's not get sidetracked here. newb737ng, do YOU have any constructive advice?
My advice is exhaust all possibility of getting a Singapore licence first before venturing overseas. This is the path of least resistance to getting a job with a Singapore carrier. ALL Singapore carriers, plus a couple of Malaysian ones.
My advice is exhaust all possibility of getting a Singapore licence first before venturing overseas. This is the path of least resistance to getting a job with a Singapore carrier. ALL Singapore carriers, plus a couple of Malaysian ones.
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Again what is the fascination with getting a job on a Singaporean carrier? When you read through these 'singapore' threads one could be led to believe that SQ is the only major airline in the world!
I know plenty of Singaporeans who have trained overseas and are now happily flying on various major carriers as expats - many of whom are earning much more in the sand pit than SQ would ever pay them.
SQ is not be-all and end-all of aviation. lets not forget that.
I know plenty of Singaporeans who have trained overseas and are now happily flying on various major carriers as expats - many of whom are earning much more in the sand pit than SQ would ever pay them.
SQ is not be-all and end-all of aviation. lets not forget that.
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newb, i know what you're saying and I agree. If you had a choice between a Sg carrier and any other airlines, it is your prerogative to choose to work overseas if you wish to.
If I was in that position, I know which I would choose.
If I was in that position, I know which I would choose.
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Of course its a personal choice - I just feel that many Singaporean aviators have tunnel-vision when it comes to job prospects...
I for one chose this path for the love of flying - not for the love of Singapore Airlines.
I for one chose this path for the love of flying - not for the love of Singapore Airlines.
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Originally Posted by jet_dreamer
Any self sponsored Singaporean who has got a CPL IR with ME and looking for an opportunity in China, pls PM me. Sorry this shall be my last post here.
I can see two reasons of your "advertisement".
1. You possibly be doing mass circulation of private messages to those people reposonded to you.
2. You wanted to make victims pay fees to you for immpossible job recommedation.
May be you can clearly describe what kind job opportunity in China. I can verify immediately whether is it true or not.
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Hello!
Hi All,
Been a long time...really miss this thread Hope all the self sponsored students are doing well and keeping their dreamz alive...
Just a word of advise: Whatever at the end of the road, as long as flying is your dream, pursue it til the end and tell yrself you had tried. It will never go wrong.
Cheers!
Been a long time...really miss this thread
Hope all the self sponsored students are doing well and keeping their dreamz alive...Just a word of advise: Whatever at the end of the road, as long as flying is your dream, pursue it til the end and tell yrself you had tried. It will never go wrong.
Cheers!
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any s'poreans who are interested to join the june 2009 intake at MFA?
I have more than half a mind to do so and would like to find out if any of you guys out there have a similar interest, so we could share ideas, pool personal research findings and not be alone in walking the cobbled pathway.
I have more than half a mind to do so and would like to find out if any of you guys out there have a similar interest, so we could share ideas, pool personal research findings and not be alone in walking the cobbled pathway.