PAL Pilot Exodus

[DeltaSix]

Email

Originally Posted by Soundbarviolatr

Could you kindly resend his email-- it did not go through. Thanks again!
SBV

Sorry SBV, try with a double s on his first name.

Hope it works. check your pm


D6

[thrust clb]

is that me?

If it's my outfit you are referring to, you can pm me. Your dad needs to be IFR current and live near the airport since my charters always give just an hour's notice. Ask him to send his cv to my office at Frontier Aviation, Asian Aeronautics hangar (formerly Airspan hangar) , Genav area , Manila Domestic Airport.

Merry xmas.

[DeltaSix]

how are you thrust clb? yep, that's you.... check your email. He's about to send his cv to you or can you pm me another email address if you have.

by the way, are you still looking for more pilots ?


Thanks
D6

[Skybound0210]

[quote=Soundbarviolatr;3032251]
I now have to turn to you for help. Someone close to me has been down on his luck and has been on a graveyard spiral for the past few years. After a lifetime of career building my father has found himself starting from scratch at close to age 60. It absolutely breaks my heart that I am able to help others in the States, including the sons and daughters of my father's so called "enemies" from this PAL scandal, and yet I cannot do anything at all to help my own father find a job in the Philippines that will feed him and his family.

SBV, does your father have an FAA license? There's a job flying out of Subic that is constantly looking for FAA licensed pilots. Captain's pay is about $2200 I think.

[Soundbarviolatr]

[quote=Skybound0210;3037007]

Originally Posted by Soundbarviolatr

I now have to turn to you for help. Someone close to me has been down on his luck and has been on a graveyard spiral for the past few years. After a lifetime of career building my father has found himself starting from scratch at close to age 60. It absolutely breaks my heart that I am able to help others in the States, including the sons and daughters of my father's so called "enemies" from this PAL scandal, and yet I cannot do anything at all to help my own father find a job in the Philippines that will feed him and his family.

SBV, does your father have an FAA license? There's a job flying out of Subic that is constantly looking for FAA licensed pilots. Captain's pay is about $2200 I think.

Yes he has an FAA ATP but is currently undergoing recert with FAA Medical (his ATO Medical has already been cleared). It's been an ongoing issue with the feds here in the states who, unfortunately, try to do things as difficult as possible especially for foreign nationals.

[kontra]

FAA medical options

SBV,

I heard that some of our Phil ATO Doctors and the ST Aero Medical in Singapore can do check-ups for FAA. Your dad might be in the region, so can give their offices a call

[Soundbarviolatr]

Flt Docs

Originally Posted by kontra

SBV,

I heard that some of our Phil ATO Doctors and the ST Aero Medical in Singapore can do check-ups for FAA. Your dad might be in the region, so can give their offices a call

The problem is with the feds in Oklahoma City..It's been ongoing with those clowns for a year now. Just another part of the professional pilot harassment program. Another reason why it's been easier for him to stay in asia and use his ATO ATP, otherwise I would've been able to get him a corporate/charter gig here in the US. Thank you very much for the input

[semper fi]

the feds?

Hi SBV, how are things? what's with the feds in O city, care to expound on that item for the benefit of us all who are not really atune to the goings on regarding licensing in the U S of A, thanks.

[Soundbarviolatr]

FEDs Ex (NOT)

Originally Posted by semper fi

Hi SBV, how are things? what's with the feds in O city, care to expound on that item for the benefit of us all who are not really atune to the goings on regarding licensing in the U S of A, thanks.

Well FAA Medical exams are controlled by the FAA located in Oklahoma City OK (addressed as Feds since they work under the Federal Govt) and administered by Aeronautical Medical Examiners (AMEs) throughout the country. These AMEs are civilian docs that have undergone FAA checks to act as medical examiners in behalf of the FAA. Airmen in the US can apply for classes; 1st (mostly done to practice the priviledges of an ATP), 2nd (for Comm Pilot priviledges) and 3rd (for PPL, Recreational or Sports pilots). 1st class is the most restrictive of all which includes ECG hookups for airmen over 35 years old. If you have ANY medical "history" the Feds or AMEs are required to take a closer look at you, using checklists that are issued by the Feds and if it is "severe enough in FAA eyes" ground you until the Feds conclude that you are ok in their books. Just to ensure big brother is watching, even the ECGs are hooked up directly to the Feds. Because of the amount of people that go through this process and the bureaucracy involved (each case joins thousands other and meets quarterly boards only to be recycled back to square one even if it just lacks a check mark on a box) you fall into the blackhole and it is a pain in the arse to climb back out, most times requiring the help of outside sources (leftseat.com) and $$$. Of course this is a discouragement to most pilots that are medically challenged for one reason or another and most just quit flying...Or move somewhere else where they have a better chance of gaining their wings back.

Hope that better explains it...

[semper fi]

PERFECTO THANKS !!

[paolylo]

hi again...

my dad & i recently talked about this longshot of me getting into PAL Av School. he knows these management people too well and he's pretty convinced that my best chance is when the current management retires.. but by then i'll be 28 . although my dad got in PAL a few years older than that, he already had experience flying with the PAF whereas i only see a cockpit in a videogame.

i'll still apply early next year and he'll see if there's anything he can do to help me get in, but we're also looking at other options. there's OMNI and there's also Clark Institute of Aviation (though not too keen on that since it's new & unheard of). of course what i'll miss if ever i can't get in PAL will be going straight from training to the cockpit as an SO . my dad still has a good 10-15 flying years in him so i'm blessed to have parents that can afford to send me to a flying school.

i got nothing to lose right now, this is what i wanna do afterall... wish me luck.

[DeltaSix]

Advise

Paolylo,

Just out of curiosity, is your Dad still in the Philippines or is he working overseas ?

My advise to you is for you to go and lodge your application with PAL Av School and try your luck. No use being a pessimist at this time as you don't know yet if they will reject you or not.

IF THEY DO REJECT YOU because of your father then they are not the only AV School in the world and you wouldn't want to be with them anyway for that shallow reason. If you have the money to pay then it's their loss.

I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong but I am assuming it will not be a guaranteed placement in PAL once you graduate anyway ?

Why don't you just go overseas and study there instead. Once you have completed CPL/ME/IR do a Flight Instructor rating in the U.S., Australia or Canada and work there for a few years.

If you are really itching to get into the heavies (if you can afford it- although I don't recommend) is to go to Miami, Florida and enrol with SimCenter for a
B737NG, A320 type rating ( $7,000 US and 12,000 US respectively) and 17,000 for a Part 121 "on the job training" course in which they'll give you
500 hours of F.O. time on the aircraft of your choice. I know a guy who got hired after 300 hours by a 739 operator. This'll include a complete US FAA ATP license and a TR.

Go, get your CPL outside the Philippines if you can (afford it) and do it that way. You never know, you might end up with a US carrier or the likes of Cathay, Singapore, Dragon and others.

Forget PAL if they reject you and move on. Don't waste time with them.
Once you get the jet hours, you can always come back to the Philippines if you so decide and work there. But I can guarantee you that you won't.

Goodluck friend. As they say "go hard or go home ". How you handle this situation will determine how well you will be come a future captain ( not in PAL maybe)

Just my two cents worth.

D6

[rq4globalhawk]

Originally Posted by bansai!

You mean what happened to "Mutawah"? I heard his plan to join Etihad back fired. He resigned from PAL & didn't join any airline immediately. Since there was a resolution from PAL Board of Directors in 2004(?) that if a pilot resigns & join another airline within a year from resignation the pilot will forfeit his retirement. So JdelC, resigned, went to ATO be a check pilot for the 747-400 (obviously to keep his rating) to join Etihad in a year or so. But Etihad is no longer acquiring 747s. The last time I heard JdelC is applying to go back to PAL & classmate Johnny is not accomodating him to teach him a lesson & to others as well.

1. Song C. told me JdelC is not applying and hasn't talked to JA in ages.
2. About Etihad, somebody told me he explained that matter at a farewell party but I don't remember the details.

[teeepee]

Originally Posted by paolylo

hi again...

my dad & i recently talked about this longshot of me getting into PAL Av School. he knows these management people too well and he's pretty convinced that my best chance is when the current management retires.. but by then i'll be 28 . although my dad got in PAL a few years older than that, he already had experience flying with the PAF whereas i only see a cockpit in a videogame.

i'll still apply early next year and he'll see if there's anything he can do to help me get in, but we're also looking at other options. there's OMNI and there's also Clark Institute of Aviation (though not too keen on that since it's new & unheard of). of course what i'll miss if ever i can't get in PAL will be going straight from training to the cockpit as an SO . my dad still has a good 10-15 flying years in him so i'm blessed to have parents that can afford to send me to a flying school.

i got nothing to lose right now, this is what i wanna do afterall... wish me luck.

////// just like what i said before IF your dad can afford it go get in USA ask soundbarrier how to do it he knows the system in USA THE CHEAPER WAY //he has helped a lot of pinoy pilots in america

[rq4globalhawk]

Originally Posted by DeltaSix

Paolylo,
\My advise to you is for you to go and lodge your application with PAL Av School and try your luck. No use being a pessimist at this time as you don't know yet if they will reject you or not.

True. Go through step one first. Take an optimistic attitude - you have to meet a lot of requirements - academics, physical, etc. Don't be a pessimist, else it will rub off on you and show in the interviews.

Originally Posted by DeltaSix

Paolylo,
\... correct me if I'm wrong but I am assuming it will not be a guaranteed placement in PAL once you graduate anyway ?

It's not guaranteed but based on previous statistics almost all get in.

Originally Posted by DeltaSix

Paolylo,
\Why don't you just go overseas and study there instead. Once you have completed CPL/ME/IR do a Flight Instructor rating in the U.S., Australia or Canada and work there for a few years.

Although the regionals and commuters in these countries are hiring there's a flood of GenAv pilots as well so if you are not a citizen or resident it might not be easy.
Whichever way you go, I wish you the best of luck.

[DeltaSix]

Visas

Originally Posted by rq4globalhawk

Although the regionals and commuters in these countries are hiring there's a flood of GenAv pilots as well so if you are not a citizen or resident it might not be easy.
Whichever way you go, I wish you the best of luck.

I understand what you mean but, people with student visa here are allowed to work certain number of hours to support themselves and to enhance skills in their chosen career.
I knew a guy who was on student visa and was allowed to work as a flight instructor here for a couple of years earning him those precious hours. I think he is now working in the Carribean as a twin driver.

If there's a will there's a way.


Hope this helps.

D6

[Soundbarviolatr]

PAO

Hey PAO - Send me a message if you decide to come to the US for Flight Training.

[Skybound0210]

Originally Posted by DeltaSix

I understand what you mean but, people with student visa here are allowed to work certain number of hours to support themselves and to enhance skills in their chosen career.
I knew a guy who was on student visa and was allowed to work as a flight instructor here for a couple of years earning him those precious hours. I think he is now working in the Carribean as a twin driver.

If there's a will there's a way.


Hope this helps.

D6

D6,

I think you are referring to the J1 Student Visa. It's a visa that is good for 24 months (2 years), and it allows you to get required training and practical experience. Most schools that offer this visa will often train you for 6 months in order for a student to go from zero hours all the way to his/her FAA CFII/MEI. The remaining 18 months of the visa is for practical experience as a Flight Instructor (no compensation in most schools) in order to build additional hours.

The main purpose of this additional hours is to build total time as to be eligible for the FAA ATPL. It should be understood that the visa is a Non-immigrant visa and therefore after the 24 months is up, you HAVE to leave the country...unless you have changed you status in the U.S., i.e. you have gained Immigrant status (getting married to a U.S. citizen or a legal immigrant, or through job sponsorship "H1 visas").

I wouldn't want to discourage anybody but aviation companies/airlines will often NOT sponsor foreigners because of Labor laws in the U.S.

But the J1 visa is great if you wish to build flight time and not necessarily gain permanent employment in the U.S.

[DeltaSix]

Visas

Originally Posted by Skybound0210

D6,
I think you are referring to the J1 Student Visa. It's a visa that is good for 24 months (2 years), and it allows you to get required training and practical experience. Most schools that offer this visa will often train you for 6 months in order for a student to go from zero hours all the way to his/her FAA CFII/MEI. The remaining 18 months of the visa is for practical experience as a Flight Instructor (no compensation in most schools) in order to build additional hours.
The main purpose of this additional hours is to build total time as to be eligible for the FAA ATPL. It should be understood that the visa is a Non-immigrant visa and therefore after the 24 months is up, you HAVE to leave the country...unless you have changed you status in the U.S., i.e. you have gained Immigrant status (getting married to a U.S. citizen or a legal immigrant, or through job sponsorship "H1 visas").
I wouldn't want to discourage anybody but aviation companies/airlines will often NOT sponsor foreigners because of Labor laws in the U.S.
But the J1 visa is great if you wish to build flight time and not necessarily gain permanent employment in the U.S.

Hi Skybound0210,

Thanks for the input, that's very helpful info for our US bound countrymen.
They sure can use this.

However, I must have given the wrong impression. When I said "here" I mean't Sydney, Australia ( where I am ).

I know a couple of Filipinos who had student visas to train as pilots getting their Commercial, Multi-Engine Instrument Rating then Flight Instructors rating and eventually passing all 7 ATPL subjects.

They are allowed to work as flight instructors - with pay, but of course subject to visa restrictions in terms of duration but enough to get their career "off the ground " and support themselves independently while building up the hours.

One of them eventually married a UK citizen and he went to the Eu to fly for one of the LCC's. This is at 350 hours ( he had to pay for his 737 TR though ).
The other one as I mentioned went to the Carribean as a twin driver ( BN Islander I think, as a second job ).

As you've pointed out, there seems to be a way as well to train and get experience there in the US but with no employment prospect. At least whoever is thinking of going to the US to train as a pilot is now forewarned.

Hope this helps

D6

[Soundbarviolatr]

Mission Impossible?

Originally Posted by DeltaSix

Hi Skybound0210,

Thanks for the input, that's very helpful info for our US bound countrymen.
They sure can use this.

However, I must have given the wrong impression. When I said "here" I mean't Sydney, Australia ( where I am ).

I know a couple of Filipinos who had student visas to train as pilots getting their Commercial, Multi-Engine Instrument Rating then Flight Instructors rating and eventually passing all 7 ATPL subjects.

They are allowed to work as flight instructors - with pay, but of course subject to visa restrictions in terms of duration but enough to get their career "off the ground " and support themselves independently while building up the hours.

One of them eventually married a UK citizen and he went to the Eu to fly for one of the LCC's. This is at 350 hours ( he had to pay for his 737 TR though ).
The other one as I mentioned went to the Carribean as a twin driver ( BN Islander I think, as a second job ).

As you've pointed out, there seems to be a way as well to train and get experience there in the US but with no employment prospect. At least whoever is thinking of going to the US to train as a pilot is now forewarned.

Hope this helps

D6

It can still be done.