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Well excellent result
Now we can all look forward to working 7 days on and two days off
Paying £1100 per year for food which isn't fit for dogs
Returning to man and boy airline (No loyalty Bonus For F/o's)
Getting a command and getting 10% less (Well I suppose someone has to pay for managements £10,000,000 bonus lets be fair)
Losing a days leave if your an X Go Pilot
We have sold ourselves right down tubes the only winners here
are senior managent who must be saying what a load of spineless morons, easier than taking candy from a baby.
So there it is....... longer days, less pay, less leave,
THE FUTURE IS BRIGHT...... THE FUTURE'S ORANGE
Now we can all look forward to working 7 days on and two days off
Paying £1100 per year for food which isn't fit for dogs
Returning to man and boy airline (No loyalty Bonus For F/o's)
Getting a command and getting 10% less (Well I suppose someone has to pay for managements £10,000,000 bonus lets be fair)
Losing a days leave if your an X Go Pilot
We have sold ourselves right down tubes the only winners here
are senior managent who must be saying what a load of spineless morons, easier than taking candy from a baby.
So there it is....... longer days, less pay, less leave,
THE FUTURE IS BRIGHT...... THE FUTURE'S ORANGE
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Running an airline without morale...
Come on, don't so naive...An aircraft takes off or does not take off. Period. Now, whether happy or sad pilots fly the plane is not management's concern. So they really don't give a s..t about the fact you're happy will help the airline or not. What they see is money.
Therefore, the only thing you could do at that time was ground the planes. That's it.
But you all have been discussing whether or not it would be good, if they go I go, if not I won't, about how bad or good BALPA people are...
Too much talking. While you were wondering, management was going ahead with no fear nor threat. You've been stuffed.
And guess what...You will even further in the future. YES ! Why ? Simply because management now knows how soft you are and how far they can go. You've been tested and you've passed. Isn't that wonderful ?
In a previous post, I was mentionning you'll be feeling sorry for yourselves 10 years down the road, just because you've been thinking too much around about the impact of a strike. You'll be working like dogs while management will be drinking down those millions of pounds.
Now don't come and cry over spilt milk...But still, good luck to you, to your families and your health. They'll get hurt, that is clear !
Come on, don't so naive...An aircraft takes off or does not take off. Period. Now, whether happy or sad pilots fly the plane is not management's concern. So they really don't give a s..t about the fact you're happy will help the airline or not. What they see is money.
Therefore, the only thing you could do at that time was ground the planes. That's it.
But you all have been discussing whether or not it would be good, if they go I go, if not I won't, about how bad or good BALPA people are...
Too much talking. While you were wondering, management was going ahead with no fear nor threat. You've been stuffed.
And guess what...You will even further in the future. YES ! Why ? Simply because management now knows how soft you are and how far they can go. You've been tested and you've passed. Isn't that wonderful ?
In a previous post, I was mentionning you'll be feeling sorry for yourselves 10 years down the road, just because you've been thinking too much around about the impact of a strike. You'll be working like dogs while management will be drinking down those millions of pounds.
Now don't come and cry over spilt milk...But still, good luck to you, to your families and your health. They'll get hurt, that is clear !
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As usual, you miss the point entirely, so may I refer you to the words of highcirrus on 17 Feb?
“What will drastically reduce the inevitability of industrial action is as near to a unanimous BALPA membership as possible sending a clear message to management that if reasonable terms are not forthcoming, then such action will definitely become inevitable.”
If you hold a big stick, the likelihood is that you will not have to use it – get the idea?
Unfortunately, half of the pilots at easyJet have abrogated responsibility to themselves and their families by failing to combine in BALPA membership and so provide the required big stick. Is it apathy, selfishness, fear or just plain gutlessness? Who will ever know – they now only have to live with themselves and the pathetic working conditions they have foisted on themselves, as outlined by Getafix, above, due entirely to their own foolish inaction.
Perhaps even more reprehensible is the breathtaking fecklessness of those BALPA members who voted Yes! Your sheer stupidity and selfish motivation beggars believe!
I’m not sure whether you are with easyJet ajk or indeed whether you are even a professional pilot – your glee at the outcome of the ballot would seem to belie any implied or direct claim to be so, as does your ignorant claim that “market forces” are the sole determinants of employee working conditions.
Non-members and Yes voters – please no more of your pathetic and cowardly whines about your employer on pprune.
No voters – I’m truly sorry for you in a valiant effort, brought down by a flock of frightened sheep.
As usual, you miss the point entirely, so may I refer you to the words of highcirrus on 17 Feb?
“What will drastically reduce the inevitability of industrial action is as near to a unanimous BALPA membership as possible sending a clear message to management that if reasonable terms are not forthcoming, then such action will definitely become inevitable.”
If you hold a big stick, the likelihood is that you will not have to use it – get the idea?
Unfortunately, half of the pilots at easyJet have abrogated responsibility to themselves and their families by failing to combine in BALPA membership and so provide the required big stick. Is it apathy, selfishness, fear or just plain gutlessness? Who will ever know – they now only have to live with themselves and the pathetic working conditions they have foisted on themselves, as outlined by Getafix, above, due entirely to their own foolish inaction.
Perhaps even more reprehensible is the breathtaking fecklessness of those BALPA members who voted Yes! Your sheer stupidity and selfish motivation beggars believe!
I’m not sure whether you are with easyJet ajk or indeed whether you are even a professional pilot – your glee at the outcome of the ballot would seem to belie any implied or direct claim to be so, as does your ignorant claim that “market forces” are the sole determinants of employee working conditions.
Non-members and Yes voters – please no more of your pathetic and cowardly whines about your employer on pprune.
No voters – I’m truly sorry for you in a valiant effort, brought down by a flock of frightened sheep.
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Absolutely Anotherpost75. You are 100% right.
But wait for them to whining and strike them hard on the nose when they do, reminding them what they did NOT do. Don't tale complaints anymore.
I feel really sorry for you all. Your airline and the means to improve your lifestyle and money. Yoy guys did not even let it a chance to do so.
And in a way I feel sorry for the rest of the European pilots community. You've just participated in downgrading our profession. While some people fight indirectly for the good of the whole profession (i.e. people at Lufthansa, Air France, etc...) you're breaking everything away and will make this job an absolute nightmare : no private life, no health, not even good money in return for this sacrifice. GOOD JOB MATES ! And people will tell you you didn't have much choice. Of course you had! Nothing was easier.
You cowards/selfish individuals, I won't be crying over the miserable livings you'll soon have to endure...
Others who were ready to stand up, I feel even more sorry for you because you had the guts but you had to convince a bunch of chicken. That's tough. Good luck to you still.
But wait for them to whining and strike them hard on the nose when they do, reminding them what they did NOT do. Don't tale complaints anymore.
I feel really sorry for you all. Your airline and the means to improve your lifestyle and money. Yoy guys did not even let it a chance to do so.
And in a way I feel sorry for the rest of the European pilots community. You've just participated in downgrading our profession. While some people fight indirectly for the good of the whole profession (i.e. people at Lufthansa, Air France, etc...) you're breaking everything away and will make this job an absolute nightmare : no private life, no health, not even good money in return for this sacrifice. GOOD JOB MATES ! And people will tell you you didn't have much choice. Of course you had! Nothing was easier.
You cowards/selfish individuals, I won't be crying over the miserable livings you'll soon have to endure...
Others who were ready to stand up, I feel even more sorry for you because you had the guts but you had to convince a bunch of chicken. That's tough. Good luck to you still.
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thats democracy
All this bickering and infighting is of no use and I believe that it also lowers the management perception of us as a workforce. The only fair way to solicit opinions on our T and Cs is by ballot and this process has been followed in accordance with recognised procedures. Those that voted have had their views heard. Non members have not represented their views to the management in any way. The wishes of the majority will now be implemented.
The only thing left is to thank the council for their hardwork. Well done guys.
The only thing left is to thank the council for their hardwork. Well done guys.
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Agaricus bisporus: I think what was meant was that the negotiations took part without canvassing general pilots concerns and some might say the items of close interest to the committee received undue attention while new captains have to have a 10% pay cut and the general pilot populace is walking around in an exhausted haze.
The above post is exactly right, management couldn't give a fig whether happy pilots are flying the aircraft, as long as they fly and their share options keep piling up.
Personally I have little time for BALPA: how can a "professional negotiator" come up with an agreement including the words: endeavour, try to, in the best of all possible worlds, if the planets are alignment etc.... The thing is so woolly as to be meaningless if put to the test.. Plus the terms of the agreement were changed between the ballot being sent out and closing!
I guess they are too busy spending their 3,500 pounds a week on "entertainment". Anyway, I swallowed my principles and joined them so I would have a say in this. Any non-BALPA members don't get any griping rights. Whatever you think of BALPA they were the only show in town.
With so few airlines to chose from now where else can you go? I will be stuck for a very long time with the consequences of this agreement.
The only glimmer of hope are the changes in the management and board that have occurred in the last few weeks. Would like to be a fly on the wall to be watching the fur fly.
Lets see how it goes this year, and canvas for 95% BALPA membership for the round next year.
The above post is exactly right, management couldn't give a fig whether happy pilots are flying the aircraft, as long as they fly and their share options keep piling up.
Personally I have little time for BALPA: how can a "professional negotiator" come up with an agreement including the words: endeavour, try to, in the best of all possible worlds, if the planets are alignment etc.... The thing is so woolly as to be meaningless if put to the test.. Plus the terms of the agreement were changed between the ballot being sent out and closing!
I guess they are too busy spending their 3,500 pounds a week on "entertainment". Anyway, I swallowed my principles and joined them so I would have a say in this. Any non-BALPA members don't get any griping rights. Whatever you think of BALPA they were the only show in town.
With so few airlines to chose from now where else can you go? I will be stuck for a very long time with the consequences of this agreement.
The only glimmer of hope are the changes in the management and board that have occurred in the last few weeks. Would like to be a fly on the wall to be watching the fur fly.
Lets see how it goes this year, and canvas for 95% BALPA membership for the round next year.
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bijave,
Nice comments about spinelessness - from, er one of Mr Schroeder's subjects innit? Don't want to be politically incorrect here but it's easier to talk about action in a loud voice, than to get up and do something about it.
Nice comments about spinelessness - from, er one of Mr Schroeder's subjects innit? Don't want to be politically incorrect here but it's easier to talk about action in a loud voice, than to get up and do something about it.
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The ONLY way ej pilots pay and conditions will get any better is if the general market pick's up, there is a pilot shortage and people start leaving for other jobs, historically this has always been the case at ej and it is then we will all have a position of strength to negotiate from !!!
As for BALPA ....... I've allways been impressed by their track record ...... They have all the characteristics of ezy's senior management - greedy, careless with lethargy and spinelessness thrown in!!
The ONLY way ej pilots pay and conditions will get any better is if the general market pick's up, there is a pilot shortage and people start leaving for other jobs, historically this has always been the case at ej and it is then we will all have a position of strength to negotiate from !!!
As for BALPA ....... I've allways been impressed by their track record ...... They have all the characteristics of ezy's senior management - greedy, careless with lethargy and spinelessness thrown in!!
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I've been trying to stay out of this but having read just soooo much cr*p, can't help but chip in.
Sure there are things wrong in easyjet but nothing like the impression you'd get by reading these pages.
If I've understood correctly inflation is rising up above 3% so that means Captains will be on
about at least £64K pa plus about £10K sector pay some of which is tax free plus 7% pension, loyalty bonus after 2 yrs of 5% rising to 15% after 10 years, loss of licence insurance, personal accident insurance, legal insurance, death in service insurance and crew food.
Any F/O with an ATPL (for foreign chappies in the UK thats 1500hrs total time and passing some exams) will be on about £40K pa plus about £8K worth of sector pay plus all the oter n=benefits except the loyalty bonus which only kicks in after changing seats. For a dedicated young man this can be achieved by mid to late twenties. (and one F/O wrote earlier asking if he'd be able to afford an overseas holiday - well the answer is that most people do on salaries much lower than this)
And this is a bad deal???????????????????????????????????????
Sorry - forgot to add that we're told that there 60 command places for internal moves this year.
Getafix says the crew food is not fit to eat - if he is from GO has he tried it? Think not - does he suppose that the pilots in easyjet are stupid in their wish to keep the food?
Anyone from Buzz care to comment??????
Our problem is rostering (not pay) and the Company does seem to be trying to fix that now so lets give them a chance
Wake up guys!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sure there are things wrong in easyjet but nothing like the impression you'd get by reading these pages.
If I've understood correctly inflation is rising up above 3% so that means Captains will be on
about at least £64K pa plus about £10K sector pay some of which is tax free plus 7% pension, loyalty bonus after 2 yrs of 5% rising to 15% after 10 years, loss of licence insurance, personal accident insurance, legal insurance, death in service insurance and crew food.
Any F/O with an ATPL (for foreign chappies in the UK thats 1500hrs total time and passing some exams) will be on about £40K pa plus about £8K worth of sector pay plus all the oter n=benefits except the loyalty bonus which only kicks in after changing seats. For a dedicated young man this can be achieved by mid to late twenties. (and one F/O wrote earlier asking if he'd be able to afford an overseas holiday - well the answer is that most people do on salaries much lower than this)
And this is a bad deal???????????????????????????????????????
Sorry - forgot to add that we're told that there 60 command places for internal moves this year.
Getafix says the crew food is not fit to eat - if he is from GO has he tried it? Think not - does he suppose that the pilots in easyjet are stupid in their wish to keep the food?
Anyone from Buzz care to comment??????
Our problem is rostering (not pay) and the Company does seem to be trying to fix that now so lets give them a chance
Wake up guys!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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And this is a bad deal????????????????????????????
Well as I end up with around a six hundred pound increase after paying for my crew food this year I hardly think it compares to the QUARTER MILLION average bonus the top forty have awarded themselves.
As for giving the company a chance when it comes to fixing the rostering - I'm slowly losing my f*****g medical waiting for their empty promises to show some results!!!
And you're telling us to wake up???????????
And this is a bad deal????????????????????????????
Well as I end up with around a six hundred pound increase after paying for my crew food this year I hardly think it compares to the QUARTER MILLION average bonus the top forty have awarded themselves.
As for giving the company a chance when it comes to fixing the rostering - I'm slowly losing my f*****g medical waiting for their empty promises to show some results!!!
And you're telling us to wake up???????????
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OK but Y
I've seen all the hype. You Guys lost the plot a long time ago. I agree that to be together is the way. When I was on the North Sea as a Dauphin Jock, I thought the way was to fly planes to esacape that slavery. I tried, with others to cause a difference. Now I realise that it is not just the Ex-Military but It's ALL of us are whimps.that
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Flanker - read your post and think about it - I'm worried about your health.
You're a bit naugthy though about the food - you and I both know that we are not paying for it out of our salary- we (or the Pilots council on our behalf) were offered EXTRA money to take the food away but most of us wanted to keep the food therefore we can't expect the extra money as well can we.
I'm not suggesting that we should all be happy with whats happened about management bonuses etc because frankly it stinks - when I said 'is this a bad deal' it is in the context of what we get in relaton to others in similar jobs to us.
Save yourself - take a deep breath and accept the realities
You're a bit naugthy though about the food - you and I both know that we are not paying for it out of our salary- we (or the Pilots council on our behalf) were offered EXTRA money to take the food away but most of us wanted to keep the food therefore we can't expect the extra money as well can we.
I'm not suggesting that we should all be happy with whats happened about management bonuses etc because frankly it stinks - when I said 'is this a bad deal' it is in the context of what we get in relaton to others in similar jobs to us.
Save yourself - take a deep breath and accept the realities
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With regard to the food, let's see, naughty?
For 2003/4 we get an increase of RPI, lets say 3%, but then we get £1100 taken off for food, right?
So what you're saying is that the extra money is the £1100? So without that my payrise would be around £800 for 2003 or 1 % to put it another way.
Do you really think that is reasonable considering the company profit , the 10 million, the 90% of salary for upgrades and new joiners amongst other things? I don't but each to his own.
By the way I fully intend saving myself, in fact I saved myself 1% earlier today and I'm working on the bigger project.
Enjoy the summer.
With regard to the food, let's see, naughty?
For 2003/4 we get an increase of RPI, lets say 3%, but then we get £1100 taken off for food, right?
So what you're saying is that the extra money is the £1100? So without that my payrise would be around £800 for 2003 or 1 % to put it another way.
Do you really think that is reasonable considering the company profit , the 10 million, the 90% of salary for upgrades and new joiners amongst other things? I don't but each to his own.
By the way I fully intend saving myself, in fact I saved myself 1% earlier today and I'm working on the bigger project.
Enjoy the summer.
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Wakey wakey guys and gals of easyJet, smell the coffee. It’s a new day and from now on Webster can throw anything he likes at you because he knows that you are all too apathetic and frightened to do anything about it. Perhaps he may now even renege on the terms of your recent wonderful pay and conditions offer, using the “imminent war” card as a requirement to cut costs. What would you all do about that, other than whimper, chase your tails and snap at each others’ heels? And please don’t all say you’re going to the land of the golden harp when the next up-turn comes – he’ll just replace you with a further bunch of minimum qualified wimpy wannabees. Only way you’ll get improvements to your t&c’s is to fight for them.
So NoJoke and others of a similar persuasion, “there will NOT be a day. The management WILL NOT listen.” Can you give me one simple reason why they should? You have consigned yourselves to absolute irrelevance in the scheme of things.
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Re your moronic dig of 23 Feb. You may be interested to know that Mr Schroeder's subjects (perhaps “fellow citizens” until he’s crowned King Gerhard) feature in a current Time Magazine article, page 34, dated 24 Feb:
“But the scarcely concealed American assumption that Europeans are wimps when it comes to military power does not stand up. Just because many European soldiers concentrate on peacekeeping doesn’t mean that they’re cowards. France lost 57 peacekeepers in the Balkan war and Britain 27. (So far 61 members of the US armed forces have died in the war on terrorism.) Germany contributes more soldiers to all peacekeeping missions than any country other than the US. The 7 German soldiers killed when their helicopter crashed in Afghanistan two months ago are just as dead as the 8 Americans who died in Operation Anaconda last March.”
Maybe you’re trying to cover up your own inaction in a recent, far smaller conflict?
Oh and before you ask, yes I do support the premiss of Iraq being disarmed by force and again yes, I’m currently ex-pat but a former BALPA member (the only available show in town) who did vote for strike action (on that occasion the Association won against the Company).
So NoJoke and others of a similar persuasion, “there will NOT be a day. The management WILL NOT listen.” Can you give me one simple reason why they should? You have consigned yourselves to absolute irrelevance in the scheme of things.
Few Cloudy
Re your moronic dig of 23 Feb. You may be interested to know that Mr Schroeder's subjects (perhaps “fellow citizens” until he’s crowned King Gerhard) feature in a current Time Magazine article, page 34, dated 24 Feb:
“But the scarcely concealed American assumption that Europeans are wimps when it comes to military power does not stand up. Just because many European soldiers concentrate on peacekeeping doesn’t mean that they’re cowards. France lost 57 peacekeepers in the Balkan war and Britain 27. (So far 61 members of the US armed forces have died in the war on terrorism.) Germany contributes more soldiers to all peacekeeping missions than any country other than the US. The 7 German soldiers killed when their helicopter crashed in Afghanistan two months ago are just as dead as the 8 Americans who died in Operation Anaconda last March.”
Maybe you’re trying to cover up your own inaction in a recent, far smaller conflict?
Oh and before you ask, yes I do support the premiss of Iraq being disarmed by force and again yes, I’m currently ex-pat but a former BALPA member (the only available show in town) who did vote for strike action (on that occasion the Association won against the Company).
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The result - disappointing but predictable.
I have said previously all that I am going say on this matter. Nothing has changed.
It was NO from me before the vote, it was NO from me when I voted and it is NO from me now.
A golden opportunity for progress on the issue of pay and conditions has been squandered. Remember my comments in a years' time, five years' time and rue the day that management were given a mandate to dictate our future.
As for me. Well I'm like management - I don't compromise. NO means NO. I am looking elsewhere - there are other lives for me out there.
It was never just a question of pay for me - it was lifestyle first and lifestyle last. No amount of pay and promises will buy back the time lost with my friends and family.
For the first time I am not looking forward to going to work - the prospect of another month of roster changes and disruption, tiredness and compromise no longer holds any interest for me - hope of any real change has been lost. Minimum effort from me and if anyone DARE rush me or tell me to hurry up and finish my meal because there is a schedule to keep I will tell them to ...............
Gets off his orange box, kicks it to one side. Orange is no longer a colour in my life.
I have said previously all that I am going say on this matter. Nothing has changed.
It was NO from me before the vote, it was NO from me when I voted and it is NO from me now.
A golden opportunity for progress on the issue of pay and conditions has been squandered. Remember my comments in a years' time, five years' time and rue the day that management were given a mandate to dictate our future.
As for me. Well I'm like management - I don't compromise. NO means NO. I am looking elsewhere - there are other lives for me out there.
It was never just a question of pay for me - it was lifestyle first and lifestyle last. No amount of pay and promises will buy back the time lost with my friends and family.
For the first time I am not looking forward to going to work - the prospect of another month of roster changes and disruption, tiredness and compromise no longer holds any interest for me - hope of any real change has been lost. Minimum effort from me and if anyone DARE rush me or tell me to hurry up and finish my meal because there is a schedule to keep I will tell them to ...............
Gets off his orange box, kicks it to one side. Orange is no longer a colour in my life.
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This is how the ballot result is being covered in the media - from ATI:
Pilots back new easyJet/Go deal
Graham Dunn, London (24Feb03, 09:32 GMT, 224 words)
Pilots at UK budget carrier easyJet have voted to accept a British Air Line Pilots’ Association (BALPA)-endorsed pay deal covering the integration of easyJet and Go pilots into the newly merged entity.
BALPA reached a deal with easyJet management at the end of last month, and balloted pilots have now voted 59% in favour of backing the deal.
The union says the deal sets out a harmonised package, maintains the roster pattern, retains crew food and secures a pay increase in line with inflation. The deal runs until next April.
BALPA’s principal negotiating officer for easyJet and Go suggests: “This agreement gives us a base from which we can work for further improvements.”
The union’s general secretary Jim McAuslan describes the deal as a “very significant” achievement. “To agree a set of harmonised terms and conditions for pilots of two airlines is not an easy task, and this agreement shows what can be done through negotiations, hard though they may sometimes be,” he argues.
It comes as BALPA, and other unions, are set to clash with Ryanair over cuts planned for soon-to-be-acquired Buzz. “This achievement should encourage Ryanair to take up my suggestion that we enter into talks to smooth the merger of Ryanair with Buzz,” suggests McAuslan.
While BALPA gained recognition at easyJet in late 2001, the union is not recognised by Ryanair.
Source: Air Transport Intelligence news
Pilots back new easyJet/Go deal
Graham Dunn, London (24Feb03, 09:32 GMT, 224 words)
Pilots at UK budget carrier easyJet have voted to accept a British Air Line Pilots’ Association (BALPA)-endorsed pay deal covering the integration of easyJet and Go pilots into the newly merged entity.
BALPA reached a deal with easyJet management at the end of last month, and balloted pilots have now voted 59% in favour of backing the deal.
The union says the deal sets out a harmonised package, maintains the roster pattern, retains crew food and secures a pay increase in line with inflation. The deal runs until next April.
BALPA’s principal negotiating officer for easyJet and Go suggests: “This agreement gives us a base from which we can work for further improvements.”
The union’s general secretary Jim McAuslan describes the deal as a “very significant” achievement. “To agree a set of harmonised terms and conditions for pilots of two airlines is not an easy task, and this agreement shows what can be done through negotiations, hard though they may sometimes be,” he argues.
It comes as BALPA, and other unions, are set to clash with Ryanair over cuts planned for soon-to-be-acquired Buzz. “This achievement should encourage Ryanair to take up my suggestion that we enter into talks to smooth the merger of Ryanair with Buzz,” suggests McAuslan.
While BALPA gained recognition at easyJet in late 2001, the union is not recognised by Ryanair.
Source: Air Transport Intelligence news
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High Cirrus,
You can interpret it as you will. Fact is, as I wrote, it is easier to make an angry noise than to take action. Apart from mentioning the Chancellor's name, I made no mention of the present efforts towards or against a war in Iraq. You can interpret that as you will too.
As regards spine, or the lack of it, I don't think you can generalise about "Europeans". There are and have been historically, large differences.
As regards what the easy crews have got, I think it is fair to say that they have made a choice. Whether this collective choice was based individually on fairness, greed, pragmatism or fear, who can say? The moment has passed, the world loses interest and the shares now react to the market, rather than Pprune.
You can interpret it as you will. Fact is, as I wrote, it is easier to make an angry noise than to take action. Apart from mentioning the Chancellor's name, I made no mention of the present efforts towards or against a war in Iraq. You can interpret that as you will too.
As regards spine, or the lack of it, I don't think you can generalise about "Europeans". There are and have been historically, large differences.
As regards what the easy crews have got, I think it is fair to say that they have made a choice. Whether this collective choice was based individually on fairness, greed, pragmatism or fear, who can say? The moment has passed, the world loses interest and the shares now react to the market, rather than Pprune.
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Hi Serious
Highcirrus,
My coment was not meant to harm. I would suggest that ALL pilots take a change of tack. Could we not consider a Pan-European UNION (lets call it that). Even with the 'help' of BALPA - again the workforce has been had over a barrel.
My coment was not meant to harm. I would suggest that ALL pilots take a change of tack. Could we not consider a Pan-European UNION (lets call it that). Even with the 'help' of BALPA - again the workforce has been had over a barrel.
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Few cloudy, I don't even want to get into politics. There would be so much to say in return to your very basic statement you know... And I feel really sad you're bringing the subject to such a low level...
Now regarding the fact that it's easier to be loud than acting, as opposed to you, I've had my share of action in my own time and I don't regret it today. I feel sorry you did not do so when you had a chance but I won't have to live your life after all. It's going to be tough to be you.
Let's talk within 3 to 5 years...
Now regarding the fact that it's easier to be loud than acting, as opposed to you, I've had my share of action in my own time and I don't regret it today. I feel sorry you did not do so when you had a chance but I won't have to live your life after all. It's going to be tough to be you.
Let's talk within 3 to 5 years...