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Equally, if the defined product is achieved (by hard work) it is then - by default - possible, so why should anyone be rewarded additionally for doing what is possible ?
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As usual someone from another department in BA takes a swipe at another.
Yet again someone with a little bit of information, who does not fully understand another department's pay or conditions goes mouthing off knowing nothing about what they are talking.
It is cabin crew management who have got the numbers wrong yet again. Surprise surprise!
This is not the crew's fault.
And no we are not being offered £1000's of pounds to go to work.
The figure quoted is what we get (already multiplied by 4 NOT to be multiplied again and exagerated).
We are already working one crewmember down since 9/11 and on full flights it is not a happy experience working on board. With another crewmember down, with no alleviation for any reduced service, the passengers will not suffer. It is the crew who will have to go that extra mile again and get the job done. Believe me it is bloody exhausting as it is, never mind losing another crewmember.
Alot of crew would rather BA shoved their money where the sun dont shine. Enough is enough regarding taking any more crew off an aircraft.
BA and the unions have got together to keep the operation going and have given this alleviation for ONE WEEK ONLY. If the unions did not agree to this then what alternative would BA have but to cancel flights affecting passengers and the livelihoods of crews and indeed all BA employees.
So BA have offered a sweetener to crew for this week only and as I've already said not at the exaggerated amounts quoted.
If you are looking for anyone to blame for this then blame BA crew mis-management.
Yet again someone with a little bit of information, who does not fully understand another department's pay or conditions goes mouthing off knowing nothing about what they are talking.
It is cabin crew management who have got the numbers wrong yet again. Surprise surprise!
This is not the crew's fault.
And no we are not being offered £1000's of pounds to go to work.
The figure quoted is what we get (already multiplied by 4 NOT to be multiplied again and exagerated).
We are already working one crewmember down since 9/11 and on full flights it is not a happy experience working on board. With another crewmember down, with no alleviation for any reduced service, the passengers will not suffer. It is the crew who will have to go that extra mile again and get the job done. Believe me it is bloody exhausting as it is, never mind losing another crewmember.
Alot of crew would rather BA shoved their money where the sun dont shine. Enough is enough regarding taking any more crew off an aircraft.
BA and the unions have got together to keep the operation going and have given this alleviation for ONE WEEK ONLY. If the unions did not agree to this then what alternative would BA have but to cancel flights affecting passengers and the livelihoods of crews and indeed all BA employees.
So BA have offered a sweetener to crew for this week only and as I've already said not at the exaggerated amounts quoted.
If you are looking for anyone to blame for this then blame BA crew mis-management.
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Agreed its the fault of BAs usual appalling mis-management. BUT, in all this talk of working flat out, one down on a full aircraft, nobody ever discusses the flights that depart half full, or almost empty. The alleviation will apply to all flights working one down, regardless of the load factor. Seems hard to justify cash for working harder if you've only got 100 passengers in each direction.
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With many special offers for fares at the moment, the GBP EUR/USD rate as it is, I can think of no longhaul destinations where there would be 100 passengers in each direction.
Any flights I have done recently have been FULL in all cabins.
If you know of any of these quiet flights please enlighten us because you are plainly talking rubbish.
Again someone else trying to make crew look bad in a situation which is none of their doing.
The only person looking stupid here is you!
Any flights I have done recently have been FULL in all cabins.
If you know of any of these quiet flights please enlighten us because you are plainly talking rubbish.
Again someone else trying to make crew look bad in a situation which is none of their doing.
The only person looking stupid here is you!
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It is true to say that there are no empty flights at the moment and if there are the company can close "cabins" if needs be.
The rate shown is for 4 hrs but that is then multiplied by 4 as there are 4 duties on a back to back trip.
What concerns me is the fact that the company can give a crew member "tax almost free allowances" from a trip they don't operate. How can that be legal? Anybody have any tax experience that could enlighten us how BA get away with this?
The rate shown is for 4 hrs but that is then multiplied by 4 as there are 4 duties on a back to back trip.
What concerns me is the fact that the company can give a crew member "tax almost free allowances" from a trip they don't operate. How can that be legal? Anybody have any tax experience that could enlighten us how BA get away with this?
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Well there was a JFK-LHR service at the beginning of the month that had 60 passengers, that was the one my mate got 1.5 hrs bunk rest on. When he gets back from Dar I'll find out the flight number and date. As for engineers stepping into the cabin crew role, we'll the ex-Concorde flight engineers seem to be coping perfectly well and they all started out as 'oily rags'. I dare say they'd also be able to save money by fxing some of the 300 odd blocked sinks we have every month because the WW crew can't be bothered to dispose of liquid waste properly. Being cabin crew isn't rocket science you know, its a three week training course.
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Find that still very difficult to believe only 60 pax on a 747 JFK-LHR. Think your friend may be telling porkies or you are.
So which flights in the next week have only 100 pax IN EACH DIRECTION? Please enlighten us.
Remember this alleviation and the payments are FOR ONE WEEK ONLY. Most crew would rather have the full crew compliment or let the operation go to pot and show the management up for what they are.
Regarding the payments again someone else talking through a hole in their head. You do not know our agreements so why do you mouth off not knowing what you are talking about.
36% of our meal allowances are taxable.
100% of ALL other payments, like our salaries including this money for the ONE WEEK alleviation would be taxed normally.
For the very few individuals who turn up for a trip, where one person has to come off to crew another flight, they will either volunteer or be made to do this on juniority.
It has been agreed fo them that they would get the allowances for the trip they were supposed to do and would get the regular allowances for whatever trip they get in it's place as way of compensation. If the trip they do is not the same length then their next trip would be flexed.
In other words someone could checkin for their flight, find they will be going somewhere else, perhaps not getting back when they thought they would and their next trip/days off are "up in the air" as well. Not something many would relish. We make plans for days off and they would go to pot. As crew our days off at home are very precious.
So for the VERY FEW individuals that would happen to they get both allowances and are taxed as they would be normally.
It has to be stressed that this is for ONE WEEK only that it is NOT normally like this. This alleviation agreed by the unions is to keep the operation going. How much money would it cost BA to cancel lots of flights? A fraction of what is being paid to crew.
This is not the fault of crew. This is the fault of BA Mis-Management.
I would agree that the job is not rocket science. Customer service, tact and diplomacy skills as well as many others are required for the job something this contributor clearly does not display.
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So which flights in the next week have only 100 pax IN EACH DIRECTION? Please enlighten us.
Remember this alleviation and the payments are FOR ONE WEEK ONLY. Most crew would rather have the full crew compliment or let the operation go to pot and show the management up for what they are.
Regarding the payments again someone else talking through a hole in their head. You do not know our agreements so why do you mouth off not knowing what you are talking about.
36% of our meal allowances are taxable.
100% of ALL other payments, like our salaries including this money for the ONE WEEK alleviation would be taxed normally.
For the very few individuals who turn up for a trip, where one person has to come off to crew another flight, they will either volunteer or be made to do this on juniority.
It has been agreed fo them that they would get the allowances for the trip they were supposed to do and would get the regular allowances for whatever trip they get in it's place as way of compensation. If the trip they do is not the same length then their next trip would be flexed.
In other words someone could checkin for their flight, find they will be going somewhere else, perhaps not getting back when they thought they would and their next trip/days off are "up in the air" as well. Not something many would relish. We make plans for days off and they would go to pot. As crew our days off at home are very precious.
So for the VERY FEW individuals that would happen to they get both allowances and are taxed as they would be normally.
It has to be stressed that this is for ONE WEEK only that it is NOT normally like this. This alleviation agreed by the unions is to keep the operation going. How much money would it cost BA to cancel lots of flights? A fraction of what is being paid to crew.
This is not the fault of crew. This is the fault of BA Mis-Management.
I would agree that the job is not rocket science. Customer service, tact and diplomacy skills as well as many others are required for the job something this contributor clearly does not display.
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Yes you are mate,let me tell you some facts - BA operates by Union consent at around about 40 to 50% more than the minimum stipulated number of cabin crew per PAX,agreed a lot of this is passenger class comfort but its NOT legislation,any payments made for being 1 crew member down is not to bribe you into breaking the law ( as you cant and that's that ) its a payment to stop you whining about it.
I for one am appalled at this sort of C***,we often have to work ( and we have to WORK as well ) long hard nights outside with half the shift missing and nobody gives a S***, let alone offers us some wedge to stomach it - I agree you lot on longhaul are a waste of space and i can only hope Rod has the balls to sort you out,i have my Pini ready and a weekend free for all the in-depth training.
If you read this Rod go for it - " Chicken or Beef " - see i am half way there already.
Oh by the way - What is a MEAL ALLOWANCE?
Yes you are mate,let me tell you some facts - BA operates by Union consent at around about 40 to 50% more than the minimum stipulated number of cabin crew per PAX,agreed a lot of this is passenger class comfort but its NOT legislation,any payments made for being 1 crew member down is not to bribe you into breaking the law ( as you cant and that's that ) its a payment to stop you whining about it.
I for one am appalled at this sort of C***,we often have to work ( and we have to WORK as well ) long hard nights outside with half the shift missing and nobody gives a S***, let alone offers us some wedge to stomach it - I agree you lot on longhaul are a waste of space and i can only hope Rod has the balls to sort you out,i have my Pini ready and a weekend free for all the in-depth training.
If you read this Rod go for it - " Chicken or Beef " - see i am half way there already.
Oh by the way - What is a MEAL ALLOWANCE?
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I've just taken a look at www.crewcom.co.uk (sorry, it's a private forum) to see the reaction from my aviating colleagues. Apart from the obvious anger and resentment, there are factors of which you should be made aware for balanced judgement:
1. The amounts quoted are incorrect. Yes, incentives are being paid BUT not nearly as much as those stated. Perhaps a Cabin Crew member could advise this forum of the correct figures.
2. The incentive is basic, good commercial sense. BA has been closing First Class cabins on some routes, resulting in refunding Very High Yield revenue, as well as compensating passengers and having the embarrassment of apparently "insulting" Foreign Diplomats, Royal Family members etc. It is cheaper to pay a handful of incentlives and have the crew work their socks off cheerfully and with goodwill, than to refund tickets that are often £4,000 or £5,000 each!
3. Sickness is an acknowledged problem within BA. The "average" is 16.7 days per annum for every man-jack in BA's employ. If incentives are paid, the guy who feels a bit low when the alarm goes off at 2.30 am, will be far less likely to phone in and throw a "sickie"!
I think I will reserve judgement until I am in full possession of the facts. Certainly, however, shareholders must be made aware that the company, and Mike Street, are acting to safeguard our revenue and BA's profits!
1. The amounts quoted are incorrect. Yes, incentives are being paid BUT not nearly as much as those stated. Perhaps a Cabin Crew member could advise this forum of the correct figures.
2. The incentive is basic, good commercial sense. BA has been closing First Class cabins on some routes, resulting in refunding Very High Yield revenue, as well as compensating passengers and having the embarrassment of apparently "insulting" Foreign Diplomats, Royal Family members etc. It is cheaper to pay a handful of incentlives and have the crew work their socks off cheerfully and with goodwill, than to refund tickets that are often £4,000 or £5,000 each!
3. Sickness is an acknowledged problem within BA. The "average" is 16.7 days per annum for every man-jack in BA's employ. If incentives are paid, the guy who feels a bit low when the alarm goes off at 2.30 am, will be far less likely to phone in and throw a "sickie"!
I think I will reserve judgement until I am in full possession of the facts. Certainly, however, shareholders must be made aware that the company, and Mike Street, are acting to safeguard our revenue and BA's profits!
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Bealine the first guy who posted has shown the correct letter. All the figures are completely correct, to get a copy just ask in the BASSA office.
It's just not on that crew are paying reduced tax on alowances for a destination they don't go to, that is tax fraud.
It's just not on that crew are paying reduced tax on alowances for a destination they don't go to, that is tax fraud.
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I don't think the Inland Revenue will sit idly by watching a clever little number like this go down! Although they are being paid that type of pay, the taxman will have the full whack of Income Tax!
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BTW - I can confirm that Ground Staff (including bus drivers) have been offered £150 for "perfect attendance" between 28th March and 12th April............the period Flightswitch, with all it's stress and headaches, occurs at LHR and a new High Aircraft Utilisation Scheme gets underway at LGW.
It will be bloody hard, stressful and chaotic - most flights are booked full during this period. Many people would feel like throwing a "sickie" - particularly as we are all operating with less than half the staff numbers we used to have, so the incentive is really self-financing!
Once again, people should wait until they are in full possession of the facts before flaming!
It will be bloody hard, stressful and chaotic - most flights are booked full during this period. Many people would feel like throwing a "sickie" - particularly as we are all operating with less than half the staff numbers we used to have, so the incentive is really self-financing!
Once again, people should wait until they are in full possession of the facts before flaming!
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I am a member of the SLF which regulary travels BA longhaul, I also work for another airline. Ass I understand it:
1. BA are short of CC due to the season change - how can they recruit for such a short period. I also understand that the union contract insists on full leave allocation at this time when things would always be tight.
2. As a passenger I spend most of the night sectors waking up Cabin Crew or interupting galley meetings to get a simple drink.
I sugest BA Cabin Crew on LH get a life.
My opinion - and that is as a commercial customer - BA is a great company being runined by overpaid crew - remember who gave them the name Bad Attitude!!!! It is still deserved.
1. BA are short of CC due to the season change - how can they recruit for such a short period. I also understand that the union contract insists on full leave allocation at this time when things would always be tight.
2. As a passenger I spend most of the night sectors waking up Cabin Crew or interupting galley meetings to get a simple drink.
I sugest BA Cabin Crew on LH get a life.
My opinion - and that is as a commercial customer - BA is a great company being runined by overpaid crew - remember who gave them the name Bad Attitude!!!! It is still deserved.
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From what I've seen of some of the CC I don't think the customer would notice the difference.
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You want my rates of pay?
At the risk of repeating myself from a previous thread.....
BA LICENSED ENGINEER, CERTIFYING RESPONSIBILITY FOR 5 (YES FIVE) DIFFERENT AIRCRAFT TYPES, GOD KNOWS HOW MANY OTHER OPERATORS, 12 AT LAST COUNT, (EACH WITH THEIR OWN SET OF RULES, REGULATIONS, PAPERWORK AND PROCEDURES), WORKS APPROX 20 DAYS A MONTH (nominally a 38hr week), TAKE HOME LESS THAN £2000 A MONTH.
It took a five year apprenticeship just to be allowed to work on aeroplanes and a further seven years gaining experience and studying to get my licences.
For what? To get whinging CC look down their noses at me because I have a bit of oil under a nail?
I do not get paid overtime. It's time off in leiu hour for hour.
My gross pay over the last two years has dropped almost £10,000.
I work in all weathers and get treated with contempt from CC.
It takes three weeks to train CC. Three poxy weeks, and they think they have a hard time when asked to do their job.
The normal pay of CC makes me spit, when you add sweetners like this to it just to get them to work for a living I'm starting to foam at the mouth.
Bitter? You bet I am!
as for the engineer who thinks he can step into our shoes,how long do you think we can retain our customers for if we get any old tom dick or harry pouring drinks with oiled stained finger nails
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You want my rates of pay?
At the risk of repeating myself from a previous thread.....
BA LICENSED ENGINEER, CERTIFYING RESPONSIBILITY FOR 5 (YES FIVE) DIFFERENT AIRCRAFT TYPES, GOD KNOWS HOW MANY OTHER OPERATORS, 12 AT LAST COUNT, (EACH WITH THEIR OWN SET OF RULES, REGULATIONS, PAPERWORK AND PROCEDURES), WORKS APPROX 20 DAYS A MONTH (nominally a 38hr week), TAKE HOME LESS THAN £2000 A MONTH.
It took a five year apprenticeship just to be allowed to work on aeroplanes and a further seven years gaining experience and studying to get my licences.
For what? To get whinging CC look down their noses at me because I have a bit of oil under a nail?
I do not get paid overtime. It's time off in leiu hour for hour.
My gross pay over the last two years has dropped almost £10,000.
I work in all weathers and get treated with contempt from CC.
It takes three weeks to train CC. Three poxy weeks, and they think they have a hard time when asked to do their job.
The normal pay of CC makes me spit, when you add sweetners like this to it just to get them to work for a living I'm starting to foam at the mouth.
Bitter? You bet I am!
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So someone with the user name 'You are Talking Crap', who apparently, by chance, only joined PPRune today for their first post is handing out lectures on "Customer service, tact and diplomacy skills".
While I have not chosen to apportion blame (is it the 'incompetant/coffee drinking management' or 'blackmailing/money grabbing/idle cabin crew?), because frankly I don't have the information available to make such a judgement, what I do know is the passenger is either:
1) receiving a reduced service as a result of insufficent cabin crew being provided
or
2) paying unecessary costs for completely unjustified expenditure by the company
or possibly both !
My final questions to this thread, which is rapidly deteriorating towards the lowest common denominator are:
a) If, as our 'tact and diplomacy' advocate indicates, - "BA have offered a sweetener to crew for this week only" and "this is for ONE WEEK only that it is NOT normally like this "what is unfair about asking the cabin staff to just swallow a 'demanding week' in the interests of the Company AND the customer that pays there wages (so far) ?
Certainly my colleagues (I am proud to say) do so on a far more regular basis.
b) How many people in this industry (and I have been in it for just over thirty years) recognise the circumstance where they might "perhaps not getting back when they thought they would and their next trip/days off are 'up in the air' as well" ?
I shall now retire to my bottle of Jack Daniels, and plot who else I can book with for the coming month's travel.
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While I have not chosen to apportion blame (is it the 'incompetant/coffee drinking management' or 'blackmailing/money grabbing/idle cabin crew?), because frankly I don't have the information available to make such a judgement, what I do know is the passenger is either:
1) receiving a reduced service as a result of insufficent cabin crew being provided
or
2) paying unecessary costs for completely unjustified expenditure by the company
or possibly both !
My final questions to this thread, which is rapidly deteriorating towards the lowest common denominator are:
a) If, as our 'tact and diplomacy' advocate indicates, - "BA have offered a sweetener to crew for this week only" and "this is for ONE WEEK only that it is NOT normally like this "what is unfair about asking the cabin staff to just swallow a 'demanding week' in the interests of the Company AND the customer that pays there wages (so far) ?
Certainly my colleagues (I am proud to say) do so on a far more regular basis.
b) How many people in this industry (and I have been in it for just over thirty years) recognise the circumstance where they might "perhaps not getting back when they thought they would and their next trip/days off are 'up in the air' as well" ?
I shall now retire to my bottle of Jack Daniels, and plot who else I can book with for the coming month's travel.
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£150 for perfect attendance over a stressful period? Perhaps next time snow is forecast and I can look forward to 6 days of late inbound aircraft, extensive delays for de-icing, missed slots, revolting (in the mutinous sense of the word) passengers, militant cabin crew, impossible turnaround times, reduced rest down route, more slot delays, extended holding with creeping EATs, unplanned runway closures at LHR, diversions, fuel emergencies, discretional increases to duty days and then no transport for 45 minutes to get me off the aircraft, perhaps I'll get £150 for turning up to do the job I'm paid for?
PS Can I please have my extra 11.7 sick days back for last year?
Please keep flying with us TimS and Swedish or you'll send me to the dole queue with the ingrates (if they're not sick on signing on day that is).
PS Can I please have my extra 11.7 sick days back for last year?
Please keep flying with us TimS and Swedish or you'll send me to the dole queue with the ingrates (if they're not sick on signing on day that is).
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Well perhaps TURIN you wanna change your attitude, as i don't see cabin crew sneering at engineers being a problem.
The opposite normally - so perhaps your initial approach is being reciprocated in the same way.
And i'm sure they wouldn't give a dam about your dirty hands as it comes with the territory!
Don't forget we've got the germs of 3-400 passengers on ours.
If you think it such a great job, with such great pay, then you do know of course that you can apply internally.
And if the thought of c/c has you frothing at the mouth with rage, then really perhaps you shouldn't be entrusted with the safety of the aircraft m8.
This whole thread is based on assumptions and sensationalised lies..........the reality is far different - and you would only know if you were cabin crew for BA.
Its that good there right now, that dozens are leaving in droves - even people who have been online for 3 weeks.
Some are overpaid, but the majority are not, and this could be said about ANY/MANY departments in the airline.
People will jump at any chance to run the crew down, but it can be a very demanding job that stretches you to/beyond the limit on a daily basis.
Don't even bother to comment if you don't know REALLY , what you are talking about.
The opposite normally - so perhaps your initial approach is being reciprocated in the same way.
And i'm sure they wouldn't give a dam about your dirty hands as it comes with the territory!
Don't forget we've got the germs of 3-400 passengers on ours.
If you think it such a great job, with such great pay, then you do know of course that you can apply internally.
And if the thought of c/c has you frothing at the mouth with rage, then really perhaps you shouldn't be entrusted with the safety of the aircraft m8.
This whole thread is based on assumptions and sensationalised lies..........the reality is far different - and you would only know if you were cabin crew for BA.
Its that good there right now, that dozens are leaving in droves - even people who have been online for 3 weeks.
Some are overpaid, but the majority are not, and this could be said about ANY/MANY departments in the airline.
People will jump at any chance to run the crew down, but it can be a very demanding job that stretches you to/beyond the limit on a daily basis.
Don't even bother to comment if you don't know REALLY , what you are talking about.
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"once again in-flight services management have screwed up the crewing figures and the union have granted alleviation for the next few days so that BA don't have to cancel any flights"
This is to UNION agreed figures not legalities ( you wont find the pilots accepting a wedge to go solo,although i do see a lot of ETOP a/c with 3 man crews??? )
If BA are so short of staff why not draft in some of the 250 managers from Joblink ?
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"just typical of the incompetence of our management yet again"
Agreed - A report in the guardian 10 years ago said that BA had 12000 too many managers and 50% were incompetent,all the posts here support that assessment as true!!!
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"As for the engineer who thinks he can step into our shoes,how long do you think we can retain our customers for if we get any old tom dick or Harry pouring drinks with oiled stained finger nails"
All the reports here refer to the whining Longhaul CC, we all know the Shorthaul crews work really hard,i for one would come forward to support the operation for ROD in the light of this kind of B****X,don't think for one minute that means i would help out if BA were messing with the lower paid hard working Shorthaul Crews.
Like to add though - we aren't all that bad at customer relations,there are lots of so called engineers cum engineering manager types,that go by the " Olympic Flame " mentality and aren't that oily as they " Don't go Out "!!!
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"once again in-flight services management have screwed up the crewing figures and the union have granted alleviation for the next few days so that BA don't have to cancel any flights"
This is to UNION agreed figures not legalities ( you wont find the pilots accepting a wedge to go solo,although i do see a lot of ETOP a/c with 3 man crews??? )
If BA are so short of staff why not draft in some of the 250 managers from Joblink ?
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"just typical of the incompetence of our management yet again"
Agreed - A report in the guardian 10 years ago said that BA had 12000 too many managers and 50% were incompetent,all the posts here support that assessment as true!!!
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"As for the engineer who thinks he can step into our shoes,how long do you think we can retain our customers for if we get any old tom dick or Harry pouring drinks with oiled stained finger nails"
All the reports here refer to the whining Longhaul CC, we all know the Shorthaul crews work really hard,i for one would come forward to support the operation for ROD in the light of this kind of B****X,don't think for one minute that means i would help out if BA were messing with the lower paid hard working Shorthaul Crews.
Like to add though - we aren't all that bad at customer relations,there are lots of so called engineers cum engineering manager types,that go by the " Olympic Flame " mentality and aren't that oily as they " Don't go Out "!!!
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The managers from - careerlink - have all been offered it, and from what i have heard out of approx 250, only 12 came forward -
They obviously realise it is that bad a job at the moment, that even though they keep their high pay, they don't want to do it.
Of course they can leave it anytime too i understand ,as they have 3 chances of deployments before -judgement day- .
No message from the initiator swiss_tonni, he/she really wants to read the comments made about them on the c/c site.
Especially as the union believe he is in breach of contract for publishing details like that.
Well done m8. Just drag morale down even further with your carefully chosen venomous insults.
They obviously realise it is that bad a job at the moment, that even though they keep their high pay, they don't want to do it.
Of course they can leave it anytime too i understand ,as they have 3 chances of deployments before -judgement day- .
No message from the initiator swiss_tonni, he/she really wants to read the comments made about them on the c/c site.
Especially as the union believe he is in breach of contract for publishing details like that.
Well done m8. Just drag morale down even further with your carefully chosen venomous insults.
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" Especially as the union believe he is in breach of contract for publishing details like that "
Well i can understand the UNION not wanting details like this being public,nice to know someone reported it ASAP.
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" They obviously realise it is that bad a job at the moment, that even though they keep their high pay, they don't want to do it."
Should think themselves lucky then, a REAL BUSINESS would have given them the option of that or a P45 and P*** off, what a joy to work for an institution then.
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"Well done m8. Just drag morale down even further with your carefully chosen venomous insults."
Glad to oblige,its about time things were brought in the open,sorry and that's honest but i for one call a spade a spade,this is B*** S*** you and BA know it,they are sucking up to sections to keep them happy in fear of what will happen if they don't - its the same for the £150 fiasco mentioned and the Pension - Its about time they wised up!!.
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" Especially as the union believe he is in breach of contract for publishing details like that "
Well i can understand the UNION not wanting details like this being public,nice to know someone reported it ASAP.
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" They obviously realise it is that bad a job at the moment, that even though they keep their high pay, they don't want to do it."
Should think themselves lucky then, a REAL BUSINESS would have given them the option of that or a P45 and P*** off, what a joy to work for an institution then.
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"Well done m8. Just drag morale down even further with your carefully chosen venomous insults."
Glad to oblige,its about time things were brought in the open,sorry and that's honest but i for one call a spade a spade,this is B*** S*** you and BA know it,they are sucking up to sections to keep them happy in fear of what will happen if they don't - its the same for the £150 fiasco mentioned and the Pension - Its about time they wised up!!.