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Old 13th Aug 2020, 03:23
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Ok...so back on topic.
Fully understand and 100% agree with the need to isolate.
I have access to an aircraft and can travel to the airport, fly and return home without any social interaction whatsoever.
I am a professional pilot and need to keep current for work purposes...specifically finding work! (even though my airline is currently grounded).
Under Stage 3, recreational pilots could fly and AOPA did receive written authorisation from DHHS that confirmed this.
Under Stage 4, Has anyone from AOPA/AFAP or similar contacted or gained approval from DHHS to permit such work-related activity as flying an ILS/GPS approach and landing for recency for professional pilots?
Additionally, the aircraft I access are suffering mechanically and need to be flown (not ground run) to prevent engine damage.
So, not wanting to look for loopholes and not wanting to contribute to a significant health issue in Melbourne, just wanting to clarify this situation if anyone has a definitive answer please?
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Old 13th Aug 2020, 06:18
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What do the rules say about essential motor vehicle maintenance? During the last lock downs (in my state at least) we could take our car in for a service even if it was 100 km to the service facility. We could also sail our boats to another port for essential maintenance, but otherwise not.
Perhaps the same argument could be made for aircraft maintenance flights? But of course someone with aviation knowledge would know all about alternative storage programs and could tell your organisation to get busy with the inhibiting oil.
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Old 13th Aug 2020, 06:32
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I flew regardless right thru the last stage 3, privately, CASA expect that any M/R that's in force is to be abided by, IE keeping the whole plane airworthy. I fly reg in this stage 3, nothing to do with AOPA they don't own pilots or the planes or the sky! I take no notice of that mob!
The airspace is not closed, I've yet to see an airport closed patrolled by Dictator Dan's germin shepherds . The only stumbling block is Mr Plods stage 4 big stick!

Good luck to those locked up in Jailer Dan's 5K prison! -)
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Old 13th Aug 2020, 10:40
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An airport regular at my local called DHHS asking about travelling to airport and flying for recency purposes and they said, yes, it is permitted. (Melb metro) I highly doubt this is the case and Iíd love to see it in writing !
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Old 13th Aug 2020, 11:37
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What a beat up, they crapped on about the Pilots sitting close to each other whilst no doubt they all drive around in their news vehicles reporter and cameraman sitting next to each other in the front seats......hypocrites the lot of them....
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Old 13th Aug 2020, 11:42
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What a beat up, they crapped on about the Pilots sitting close to each other whilst no doubt they all drive around in their news vehicles reporter and cameraman sitting next to each other in the front seats......hypocrites the lot of them....
Hit job because of the students being Chinese imo
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Old 13th Aug 2020, 12:34
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Hit job because of the students being Chinese imo
For one, Chinese student pilots arenít exempt from wearing masks when outside. I guess they think itís on private property and they all live together, but it doesnít work like that as boarding houses and similar are not classed as the same household.
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Old 13th Aug 2020, 13:05
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Originally Posted by Squawk7700
For one, Chinese student pilots arenít exempt from wearing masks when outside. I guess they think itís on private property and they all live together, but it doesnít work like that as boarding houses and similar are not classed as the same household.
I was under the impression if they lived in the same property sharing rooms and such masks wouldn't be required? Happy to be corrected
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Old 13th Aug 2020, 13:21
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Originally Posted by thisishardtochoose
I was under the impression if they lived in the same property sharing rooms and such masks wouldn't be required? Happy to be corrected
If they were all in the same room, then yes, they can do whatever they want, but thatís not how it works for rooming houses and boarding houses. That why the news crew were pointing it out.

Itís that age group thatís causing is all grief, if what the news tells us is legit.
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Old 13th Aug 2020, 23:23
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What we need is for everyone who is infected to pass it on to less than one other person, on average. If one person in that group was infected, how many other people are likely to be infected as a result? You would need a lot of cases passing it on to no-one to bring the average back down - which means stricter or longer lock downs for everyone else, more economic impact for everyone else etc.
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Old 14th Aug 2020, 00:45
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Can professional pilots, whilst maintaining distancing, perform required recency training??

Can light aircraft be operated say each 2 weeks to avoid engine damage from inaction??

No irrelevant anti-Dan or anti-Chinese or Anti AOPA comments please, just actual clarification if anybody is aware of such.
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Old 14th Aug 2020, 01:34
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Originally Posted by Al E. Vator
Can professional pilots, whilst maintaining distancing, perform required recency training??

Can light aircraft be operated say each 2 weeks to avoid engine damage from inaction??

No irrelevant anti-Dan or anti-Chinese or Anti AOPA comments please, just actual clarification if anybody is aware of such.
Why are you expecting a definitive answer on PPRuNe? Go ask the local authorities, and get it in writing if they say yes. Then you're covered.
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Old 14th Aug 2020, 01:51
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Rules should be written!

Originally Posted by Awol57
Why are you expecting a definitive answer on PPRuNe? Go ask the local authorities, and get it in writing if they say yes. Then you're covered.
And.. when you get it in writing, please share here. However, I can assure you of the fact you will not get it in writing. Iíve spent an hour on the phone to Business Victoria to get a vague (and uncertain) answer. I asked for it in writing, to no avail. I asked for clarification, or a document I could reference so that I had something in writing.. was told that the department would give me a call back the following day.. they didnít. Iíve spoken with other professionals that have had similar experiences.
As for your original question, the answer is probably no. Even if you found a loophole, or were creative with interpreting the lockdown rules.. youíd still have to convince an aviation-ignorant police officer, and I donít like your chances there.
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Old 14th Aug 2020, 01:57
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According to one police person, the directives under the PH Act are badly worded and imprecise. If you take your case to court you may win.
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Old 14th Aug 2020, 04:21
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https://www.dhhs.vic.gov.au/travel-m...-flying-lesson

CASA exemptions may apply.
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Old 14th Aug 2020, 04:55
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I was about to have a new boat motor fitted to my new boat.

The website for the marine place says they are all closed up until the ďendĒ of this mess.

I rang anyway and they said they have obtained information from Business Victoria to say that they can open their workshop from Monday as they have new boats to deliver to customers that are outside metro Melbourne.

There are so many double standards as their business is clearly not permitted to be open under the guidance on the DHHS website, but yet they are being told by another department that they can.
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Old 17th Aug 2020, 14:25
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First leg of. my rumor is. in. Peter D just said on channel 7 that Victoria’s second wave is all the same strain.
Yawwnnn. It's everywhere.

More links.

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Old 19th Aug 2020, 12:55
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When do we start naming and shaming?

very disappointing to hear most Victorian operators have ceased flying but 2-3 seem to think its okay to fly VFR and continue operations...

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Old 19th Aug 2020, 13:08
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Originally Posted by onehitwonder
When do we start naming and shaming?

very disappointing to hear most Victorian operators have ceased flying but 2-3 seem to think its okay to fly VFR and continue operations...
You do know Victoria is under different stages depending on Regional or Metropolitan? Regional flying schools are allowed to be operating under Stage 3 restrictions, whereas Metropolitan Melbourne who are under Stage 4 are the ones who have had to stop operating unless charter/freight ops.
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