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Dear JetGo Management,
Fancy a rumor network that contains a mixture of 'facts, figures and innuendo, who would have thought?
I guess the troops have grown restless, they are no longer satisfied with 'snippets, teasers and trailers', the troops are hungering for more detail about your BARS accredited organization!
Your post was a poor attempt at 'being diplomatically turse' with all the naughty gossip mongers. Let me be undiplomatic in my retort - 'This is a bloody rumor network, not a relaible forthright accurate factual newspaper!!!(Refer to the work of one GT, aviation writer, critic and nimrod) If you dont appreciate, like or are emotionally able to accept critisism or innuendo then tell your 'staff' (or most likely yourself) not to post on this website.
Perhaps a posting on a mining website notice board or on a BARS accredited consultancy firms website would be more well suited and tailored to your emotional needs?
Fancy a rumor network that contains a mixture of 'facts, figures and innuendo, who would have thought?
I guess the troops have grown restless, they are no longer satisfied with 'snippets, teasers and trailers', the troops are hungering for more detail about your BARS accredited organization!
Your post was a poor attempt at 'being diplomatically turse' with all the naughty gossip mongers. Let me be undiplomatic in my retort - 'This is a bloody rumor network, not a relaible forthright accurate factual newspaper!!!(Refer to the work of one GT, aviation writer, critic and nimrod) If you dont appreciate, like or are emotionally able to accept critisism or innuendo then tell your 'staff' (or most likely yourself) not to post on this website.
Perhaps a posting on a mining website notice board or on a BARS accredited consultancy firms website would be more well suited and tailored to your emotional needs?
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Gobbledock,
The words are "terse" not "turse"; "reliable" not "relaible", but as your stated location is "Alabama", we should, perhaps, expect a lack of knowledge of the English language.
Seems to me you might be the one who has "emotional needs" issues with the post/s if you get so worked up that you can't commuicate and spell correctly.
Get the knock back from them did you? Perhaps you should replace the second "o" in your handle with an "i", it might improve your employment prospects.
Waiting for your emotional reply to my "mixture of 'facts, figures and innuendo, who would have thought?"
The Caveman.
The words are "terse" not "turse"; "reliable" not "relaible", but as your stated location is "Alabama", we should, perhaps, expect a lack of knowledge of the English language.
Seems to me you might be the one who has "emotional needs" issues with the post/s if you get so worked up that you can't commuicate and spell correctly.
Get the knock back from them did you? Perhaps you should replace the second "o" in your handle with an "i", it might improve your employment prospects.
Waiting for your emotional reply to my "mixture of 'facts, figures and innuendo, who would have thought?"
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"Get the knock back from them did you? Perhaps you should replace the second "o" in your handle with an "i", it might improve your employment prospects.
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The quotation above is in the correct "APA" style.
As for the in-your-end o" is that how you get a job?
Caveman, you are not contributing to the thread as many have, constructively. IF Jetgo Management really do follow this thread I hope that they take notice of the information regarding performance of the aircraft and the quality of advice they are getting regarding SMS and compliance.
The people contributing do have experience and are worth listening to, Too many aviation entrepreneurs are dreamers and they build the dream on poor foundations. Better to take a gulp of humility than drown in ignorance.
"The quotation above is in the correct "APA" style.
As for the in-your-end o" is that how you get a job?
Caveman, you are not contributing to the thread as many have, constructively. IF Jetgo Management really do follow this thread I hope that they take notice of the information regarding performance of the aircraft and the quality of advice they are getting regarding SMS and compliance.
The people contributing do have experience and are worth listening to, Too many aviation entrepreneurs are dreamers and they build the dream on poor foundations. Better to take a gulp of humility than drown in ignorance.
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Ignoring some of the names being bandied around here as being behind JGA, the rumours I am hearing - if true - would mean the people REALLY behind it actually DO have real experience, and are currently operating in Australia with at least 2 RPT AOCs.
When I read the publicity I hear an African-French accent. Pourquoi?
The viability or otherwise of operating baby Jungle-Jets in Australia is something I'm not qualified to comment on.
The probability of them being 100% BARS compliant is quite high, given that the BAR Standard is pretty much equivalent to the Australian regulatory standard for that level of operation in any case. Ho hum.
Nevertheless, the relevance of spruiking the BAR Standard for this level of operation is dubious, as it is really just a pre-qualification for mining work and it is not universally applied. Most resource companies have their own more rigorous aviation risk standard and the operation will be audited against that AS WELL AS the FSF BARS.
Good luck to them, I hope it makes a motsa for all involved.
When I read the publicity I hear an African-French accent. Pourquoi?
The viability or otherwise of operating baby Jungle-Jets in Australia is something I'm not qualified to comment on.
The probability of them being 100% BARS compliant is quite high, given that the BAR Standard is pretty much equivalent to the Australian regulatory standard for that level of operation in any case. Ho hum.
Nevertheless, the relevance of spruiking the BAR Standard for this level of operation is dubious, as it is really just a pre-qualification for mining work and it is not universally applied. Most resource companies have their own more rigorous aviation risk standard and the operation will be audited against that AS WELL AS the FSF BARS.
Good luck to them, I hope it makes a motsa for all involved.
Horatio Leafblower does raise an interesting point.
BARS isn't the be all and end all standard. Many resource companies have more onerous req's well above BARS (at least in the Helicopter world).
BARS isn't the be all and end all standard. Many resource companies have more onerous req's well above BARS (at least in the Helicopter world).
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Jeez Spike, I didn’t know it was your thread and that stirring or pricking a pompous post wasn’t allowed, I thought this forum was Pprune.
So, do I need your permission to respond or make a post? I tell you what, I will anyway. It could be a glasshouse, not a cave that I’m in but maybe you’re in there as well as you seem to have forgotten a set of quotation marks regarding the second “o”; and as I’m a pilot not a desk jockey like you Spike, what’s “APA” style? Australian Posters Style? As you’re in Brisbane I’ll use another Queenslander's phrase, “Please explain?”
Regarding, whether the JetGo management should take that gulp of humility and listen to the posters on this thread.
The thread started as a question in response to an advertisement for pilots, which is a fair question but since that post. The thread has then had comments about possible involvement of people requiring a butterfly net; Aeropelican involvement; self proclaimed experts pontificating on the choice of aircraft; whether they’re going to get an AOC by the first quarter of 2012 with no consideration that their application could be, and probably is, well progressed if they’re hiring people; somebody complaining about the quality of their website; whether CASA would be sniggering in a corner about their SMS; whether they know about BARS and that it’s mainly a mining company/ service customer requirement and not a CASA qualification; somebody wanting to see the balance sheet(nobody other than their shareholders and financiers will ever get a peak at that I’m guessing); whether they’re going to fail or succeed (fair points); whether their quality of posting on this thread is to someone’s liking; whether JetGo management is able to handle the emotional stress of what’s being posted; etc.
People, this is an anonymous rumour forum, you can’t realistically expect to get all your desired answers on this forum, or not be lampooned for some of the arrogance and ignorance being shown, or the comments people make (as I probably will be for this post and my previous firmly tongue in cheek post has been), it’s a useful tool but not the font of all aviation knowledge. No business is going to give you all the answers you think you deserve, who’d realistically reveal all that information on an anonymous website for all to see.
I think if you want answers it might be best to contact the JetGo management as they’ve invited you to do.
Personally, I’d like to think that they may have suitable aviation experience (possibly more than you and I, or possibly less, who knows); a business plan; arranged financing, as no one’s giving money or aircraft away these days; done their homework on their market and what aircraft the market needs or wants; looked after their requirements regarding their desired AOC and SMS and their compliance with CASA’s requirements in that regard and the standard it’s written too; directed their energies into those tasks and excluded, or deferred, the non-core requirements(i.e. a fancy webpage).
Remember people, it’s the JetGo management and investor’s time and money. If they aren’t serious and professional about it all, then they’ll probably lose their money and have waisted their time, which is entirely their problem.
To those of you who’d say what about their employee’s time and money, well there’s no guarantees in this life other than Birth, Death and Taxes, all professional pilots know (or should realise) we’re all only one medical, or two check rides, away from a new career, and the Australian government rules regarding payment of salaries and entitlements are the same for all companies and employees. As the saying goes “You pays your money and you takes your chances”, if offered a job, take it or not, it’s your decision, you should be man, or woman, enough to accept that.
The reality for most of us in the aviation profession is that we need business people to have the desire to participate in aviation, the conviction of their ideas and business models, and a belief in themselves to put their time, energy and money into aviation to allow us to do what we all love. I’m grateful to my boss for allowing me to have a front row seat in a sweet aircraft; and no it isn’t JetGo, as I personally don’t want to live in the hillbilly state of Queensland ever again.
Either way, time will tell, and if you’re Fair Dinkum about wanting aviation in Australia to expand and provide opportunities for employment, any start up should be encouraged not criticized before you’ve seen the product in service.
The Caveman.
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P.S. Spike, regarding the "i" and how I got my job; no I'm just a good bloke and **** hot pilot.
Arrogant bastard to boot 
So, do I need your permission to respond or make a post? I tell you what, I will anyway. It could be a glasshouse, not a cave that I’m in but maybe you’re in there as well as you seem to have forgotten a set of quotation marks regarding the second “o”; and as I’m a pilot not a desk jockey like you Spike, what’s “APA” style? Australian Posters Style? As you’re in Brisbane I’ll use another Queenslander's phrase, “Please explain?”
Regarding, whether the JetGo management should take that gulp of humility and listen to the posters on this thread.
The thread started as a question in response to an advertisement for pilots, which is a fair question but since that post. The thread has then had comments about possible involvement of people requiring a butterfly net; Aeropelican involvement; self proclaimed experts pontificating on the choice of aircraft; whether they’re going to get an AOC by the first quarter of 2012 with no consideration that their application could be, and probably is, well progressed if they’re hiring people; somebody complaining about the quality of their website; whether CASA would be sniggering in a corner about their SMS; whether they know about BARS and that it’s mainly a mining company/ service customer requirement and not a CASA qualification; somebody wanting to see the balance sheet(nobody other than their shareholders and financiers will ever get a peak at that I’m guessing); whether they’re going to fail or succeed (fair points); whether their quality of posting on this thread is to someone’s liking; whether JetGo management is able to handle the emotional stress of what’s being posted; etc.
People, this is an anonymous rumour forum, you can’t realistically expect to get all your desired answers on this forum, or not be lampooned for some of the arrogance and ignorance being shown, or the comments people make (as I probably will be for this post and my previous firmly tongue in cheek post has been), it’s a useful tool but not the font of all aviation knowledge. No business is going to give you all the answers you think you deserve, who’d realistically reveal all that information on an anonymous website for all to see.
I think if you want answers it might be best to contact the JetGo management as they’ve invited you to do.
Personally, I’d like to think that they may have suitable aviation experience (possibly more than you and I, or possibly less, who knows); a business plan; arranged financing, as no one’s giving money or aircraft away these days; done their homework on their market and what aircraft the market needs or wants; looked after their requirements regarding their desired AOC and SMS and their compliance with CASA’s requirements in that regard and the standard it’s written too; directed their energies into those tasks and excluded, or deferred, the non-core requirements(i.e. a fancy webpage).
Remember people, it’s the JetGo management and investor’s time and money. If they aren’t serious and professional about it all, then they’ll probably lose their money and have waisted their time, which is entirely their problem.
To those of you who’d say what about their employee’s time and money, well there’s no guarantees in this life other than Birth, Death and Taxes, all professional pilots know (or should realise) we’re all only one medical, or two check rides, away from a new career, and the Australian government rules regarding payment of salaries and entitlements are the same for all companies and employees. As the saying goes “You pays your money and you takes your chances”, if offered a job, take it or not, it’s your decision, you should be man, or woman, enough to accept that.
The reality for most of us in the aviation profession is that we need business people to have the desire to participate in aviation, the conviction of their ideas and business models, and a belief in themselves to put their time, energy and money into aviation to allow us to do what we all love. I’m grateful to my boss for allowing me to have a front row seat in a sweet aircraft; and no it isn’t JetGo, as I personally don’t want to live in the hillbilly state of Queensland ever again.
Either way, time will tell, and if you’re Fair Dinkum about wanting aviation in Australia to expand and provide opportunities for employment, any start up should be encouraged not criticized before you’ve seen the product in service.
The Caveman.
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P.S. Spike, regarding the "i" and how I got my job; no I'm just a good bloke and **** hot pilot.
Arrogant bastard to boot
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Firstly Caveman, I would never dictate to anybody that they shouldn't post to any forum.
Secondly, the passage with the missing inverted comma is a cut and paste from your post.
Thirdly, APA style is from the American Psychology Association and the style standard when writing material about psychology especially aviation psychology.
Lastly, I am sure you are a very capable pilot and thoroughly deserved of your position. I accept that you obviously wrote your last paragraph with your tongue firmly planted in both cheeks, hopefully your own.
Cheers
Secondly, the passage with the missing inverted comma is a cut and paste from your post.
Thirdly, APA style is from the American Psychology Association and the style standard when writing material about psychology especially aviation psychology.
Lastly, I am sure you are a very capable pilot and thoroughly deserved of your position. I accept that you obviously wrote your last paragraph with your tongue firmly planted in both cheeks, hopefully your own.
Cheers
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Spike,
1/ Sure sounded like it;
2/ The missing “o”, isn’t from my post, it’s from yours, check your 3rd paragraph; Gobbledock left out the inverted comma in his/her post and I simply cut and pasted it;
3/ Thanks, I didn’t know that, always good to learn something new;
4/ Finally picked up the tongue in check nature of my original post today after I pointed it out, good on you; Who said Queenslanders were slow?
The Caveman
1/ Sure sounded like it;
2/ The missing “o”, isn’t from my post, it’s from yours, check your 3rd paragraph; Gobbledock left out the inverted comma in his/her post and I simply cut and pasted it;
3/ Thanks, I didn’t know that, always good to learn something new;
4/ Finally picked up the tongue in check nature of my original post today after I pointed it out, good on you; Who said Queenslanders were slow?
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Terse, turse, turds and a Caveman!
Wow Caveman, what an emotion packed response. I always love it when a 'wordsmith' like yourself trots out the old boring insults about poor vocabulary etc. Blah blah it's been done to death. That style critisism is reactionary just like a toddler who is punished or scolded yet cannot control its emotional response due to immuturity and/or lack of brain development.
Strange how you criticize the vocabulary of other people and locations such as Alabama, Brisbane and Queensland, you are a very rude individual indeed. And the word hypocrisy comes to mind also.
Caveman, on a positive note it is great to see you so enthusiastically backing JetGo considering you are not an employee of JetGo as you pointed out.
Spike, your understanding of psychology is interesting, including your analysis of Caveman in which you break through his maze of emotions and comments
and accurately point out that for Caveman 'tongue in cheek' is most definitely a literal and physical act. I like your work Spike.
And who knows, JetGo may really set the BAR high as they enter the aviation scene. I hope they are looking forward to all those monthly reports they will be writing for all the mining companies they will be flying for. Any significant event that happens within their airline such as an incident, regulatory enforcement or punitive actions they receive, LTI or a fart out of place will endanger their contract!!! But they already knew that I am sure. Winning the contract is simple, keeping it is a different story.
Strange how you criticize the vocabulary of other people and locations such as Alabama, Brisbane and Queensland, you are a very rude individual indeed. And the word hypocrisy comes to mind also.
Caveman, on a positive note it is great to see you so enthusiastically backing JetGo considering you are not an employee of JetGo as you pointed out.
Spike, your understanding of psychology is interesting, including your analysis of Caveman in which you break through his maze of emotions and comments
and accurately point out that for Caveman 'tongue in cheek' is most definitely a literal and physical act. I like your work Spike.
And who knows, JetGo may really set the BAR high as they enter the aviation scene. I hope they are looking forward to all those monthly reports they will be writing for all the mining companies they will be flying for. Any significant event that happens within their airline such as an incident, regulatory enforcement or punitive actions they receive, LTI or a fart out of place will endanger their contract!!! But they already knew that I am sure. Winning the contract is simple, keeping it is a different story.
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Oh Christ, three of them spruiking the airline now!! What's next, nude Twister?
Well Said and Factual.. Thank you for the support Spike and Oracle!
Well Said and Factual.. Thank you for the support Spike and Oracle!
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Well come in Gobbledock,
The fish bite hard there in ‘Bama, eh! You’ve just got to be a Yank with your apparent lack of understanding of Australian humour and how we deal with each other regarding state rivalries. Remember, we often call each other “Bastard/s” as term of friendship over here in Oz but not “Turds”, is that ‘Bama slang for “Mate”?
The reactionary criticism, just like a toddler? Strange, it seemed to me that you were guilty of just that in your first post because you wanted answers on a public forum that you didn’t receive and believed you deserved. Hence, my response to your little Tanty (Aussie for tantrum/dummy spit [pacifier spit]) of a post.
Have you asked the JetGo management yet for those answers or are you afraid to ask them directly? Again, who’s got the emotional and maturity issues?????
Thanks for letting us all know about BARS administration and how it has to be handled. Who’d have thought that customers would want to know how things are going on a monthly basis or that a company would have to respond to any accidents or incidents; like a fart! I wonder if JetGo management ever thought about that before they decided to invest their time and money into getting their business going? I’d be willing to bet they did, I’d ask them directly but I reckon it’s their problem. Why don’t you ask them directly as they’ve invited you to do or are you only brave enough to do that on an anonymous public forum?
I’ve had another look at my posts and I can’t see where I’m spruiking JetGo, just pointing out a few things regarding the thread, it’s direction, claims of expertise and demands to be listened too; just like a toddler, eh? (By the way, FYI as you Yanks say, the “Eh?”, is a bit of a reference to the speech patterns of Queenslanders, specifically, North Queenslanders). I suppose if you believe anyone who isn’t negative about a start up company is “Spruiking” them, well then you could see it that way, but as I said I was just trying to point out that maybe, just maybe, the JetGo management and investors could have some expertise in aviation (obviously not as much as yourself or other posters on this forum of course), have done their sums and market research, and have decided to back themselves in starting an aviation company. As I said it’s their time and money, no one else’s, and if they screw it up it’s their problem. Time will tell.
Waiting for your next (non) emotional response to my post and some more in depth analysis to my complex “maze of emotions and comments”. (Hey Spike mate, did I get the quotation style correct, I like to try to improve each day)
The Caveman
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, hypocritical, immature and mentally under developed individual
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P.S. Gobbledock, I forgot to ask, the naked twister sounds great but tell me please, is it still compulsory there in ‘Bama to bring a female relative and/or “Hawg”(for use during the game and eatin’ afterwards) if you don’t have a date? You see, it’s now only optional in certain parts of Oz (don’t say FNQ or Tassie, they might think I’m rude, etc) and definitely frowned upon were I live. I wouldn’t want to upset anybody or cause them to think that I had “issues” as you say in the US.
The fish bite hard there in ‘Bama, eh! You’ve just got to be a Yank with your apparent lack of understanding of Australian humour and how we deal with each other regarding state rivalries. Remember, we often call each other “Bastard/s” as term of friendship over here in Oz but not “Turds”, is that ‘Bama slang for “Mate”?
The reactionary criticism, just like a toddler? Strange, it seemed to me that you were guilty of just that in your first post because you wanted answers on a public forum that you didn’t receive and believed you deserved. Hence, my response to your little Tanty (Aussie for tantrum/dummy spit [pacifier spit]) of a post.
Have you asked the JetGo management yet for those answers or are you afraid to ask them directly? Again, who’s got the emotional and maturity issues?????
Thanks for letting us all know about BARS administration and how it has to be handled. Who’d have thought that customers would want to know how things are going on a monthly basis or that a company would have to respond to any accidents or incidents; like a fart! I wonder if JetGo management ever thought about that before they decided to invest their time and money into getting their business going? I’d be willing to bet they did, I’d ask them directly but I reckon it’s their problem. Why don’t you ask them directly as they’ve invited you to do or are you only brave enough to do that on an anonymous public forum?
I’ve had another look at my posts and I can’t see where I’m spruiking JetGo, just pointing out a few things regarding the thread, it’s direction, claims of expertise and demands to be listened too; just like a toddler, eh? (By the way, FYI as you Yanks say, the “Eh?”, is a bit of a reference to the speech patterns of Queenslanders, specifically, North Queenslanders). I suppose if you believe anyone who isn’t negative about a start up company is “Spruiking” them, well then you could see it that way, but as I said I was just trying to point out that maybe, just maybe, the JetGo management and investors could have some expertise in aviation (obviously not as much as yourself or other posters on this forum of course), have done their sums and market research, and have decided to back themselves in starting an aviation company. As I said it’s their time and money, no one else’s, and if they screw it up it’s their problem. Time will tell.
Waiting for your next (non) emotional response to my post and some more in depth analysis to my complex “maze of emotions and comments”. (Hey Spike mate, did I get the quotation style correct, I like to try to improve each day)
The Caveman
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, hypocritical, immature and mentally under developed individual)P.S. Gobbledock, I forgot to ask, the naked twister sounds great but tell me please, is it still compulsory there in ‘Bama to bring a female relative and/or “Hawg”(for use during the game and eatin’ afterwards) if you don’t have a date? You see, it’s now only optional in certain parts of Oz (don’t say FNQ or Tassie, they might think I’m rude, etc) and definitely frowned upon were I live. I wouldn’t want to upset anybody or cause them to think that I had “issues” as you say in the US.
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Speaking of turds.....
Who the f
is this caveman goon? Personal insults on individuals, states of Australia etc and then palming it off as good ol Aussie banter? What a croc. And yes I am an Aussie who is prone to taking the piss in the standard Aussie fashion but Caveman you are a tool.
P.S And your wording should say 'where I live' not 'were I live'. Thought I would point that out considering you are focusing on other people's language skills or apparent lack of.
Go get him Spike and Gobbler.
is this caveman goon? Personal insults on individuals, states of Australia etc and then palming it off as good ol Aussie banter? What a croc. And yes I am an Aussie who is prone to taking the piss in the standard Aussie fashion but Caveman you are a tool. P.S And your wording should say 'where I live' not 'were I live'. Thought I would point that out considering you are focusing on other people's language skills or apparent lack of.
Go get him Spike and Gobbler.
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Hopefully the last post (from me), at least on this thread
You are getting there Caveman but you must remember to italicize the quoted remark. See example below:-
" Remember people, it’s the JetGo management and investor’s time and money. If they aren’t serious and professional about it all, then they’ll probably lose their money and have waisted their time, which is entirely their problem."
That is a direct cut and paste from your post. Please note the spelling error in the use of the word "waisted", I think you mean "wasted" or it is an oblique reference to an hour glass. (just made myself laugh).
On a more serious note the problem is not JetGo's management alone. When they start employing people failure of the venture becomes the employee"s problem when, as as happened too many times already, they are left without entitlements including pay, superannuation and paid leave.
Anybody joining the organisation needs to have done due diligence before taking the leap of faith and I hope JetGo have enough factual information to satisfy their needs.
I did recognize the tongue in cheek nature of your remarks from the outset. Nobody could be that conceited even if they are a pilot. I also noted your use of emoticons in order to express yourself. Well done, my 4 year old niece also likes smiley faces but I am sure she will grow out of it in time. (that was thinly veiled sarcasm in case you weren't sure, also tongue in cheek)
I do honestly wish JetGo all the best not only for the sake of the management and investors but their employees and the industry as well. (and no, I am not sucking up for a job, I am quite happy where I am)
" Remember people, it’s the JetGo management and investor’s time and money. If they aren’t serious and professional about it all, then they’ll probably lose their money and have waisted their time, which is entirely their problem."
That is a direct cut and paste from your post. Please note the spelling error in the use of the word "waisted", I think you mean "wasted" or it is an oblique reference to an hour glass. (just made myself laugh).
On a more serious note the problem is not JetGo's management alone. When they start employing people failure of the venture becomes the employee"s problem when, as as happened too many times already, they are left without entitlements including pay, superannuation and paid leave.
Anybody joining the organisation needs to have done due diligence before taking the leap of faith and I hope JetGo have enough factual information to satisfy their needs.
I did recognize the tongue in cheek nature of your remarks from the outset. Nobody could be that conceited even if they are a pilot. I also noted your use of emoticons in order to express yourself. Well done, my 4 year old niece also likes smiley faces but I am sure she will grow out of it in time. (that was thinly veiled sarcasm in case you weren't sure, also tongue in cheek)
I do honestly wish JetGo all the best not only for the sake of the management and investors but their employees and the industry as well. (and no, I am not sucking up for a job, I am quite happy where I am)
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Support?
Dear Jet Go Management,
I politely wished you well and pointed out some facts to those hysterical about BARS.
I am refraining from saying a lot about this company.
"Support"? Not really.
I politely wished you well and pointed out some facts to those hysterical about BARS.
I am refraining from saying a lot about this company.
"Support"? Not really.
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Well welcome back into the game Cactusjack, good to hear from you again, thanks for picking up that I left out the “h” in “where I live”, must’ve been rushing a bit too much this morning in my desire to go flying. But isn’t it a slippery slope we travel, could you clarify the “croc”, did you perhaps mean the shortened form of the reptile or “crock” with a “k”, as in “crock of sh@t”? I’ll assume the later. Is the banter OK when you’re “BARring up”, as in your previous post but to much for your delicate ears now? Rather quick to jump down on people about BARs and their perceived lack of knowledge to show off your claimed expertise. If you are Australian, as you claim, then I think you’d have to acknowledge that Australians have been having a dig at each other, and where they live, since the first European settlers (or invaders/conquerors as you will) left Sydney Cove to settle elsewhere in Oz. I tell what you mate; I’ll give you and everyone else a free hand to slag off where I come from, NSW, the “Premier State”, and me personally if it makes you feel better. I’ll even get you started with an ‘Oldie but a goodie’. “Did you hear about the big stink between Victoria and Queensland? No? It’s New South Wales” (for those of you who aren’t familiar with Aussie slang, a stink not only refers to a smell but a fight). Come on you Banana Benders, Mexicans, Two Headers, Crow Eaters and Sandgropers, pile on. Maybe you’ve been away from Oz to long Cactusjack, or perhaps, to use a current piece of Aussie slang, you need to, “Harden up, Buttercup”
With regards to personal insults, perhaps I should have been more culturally sensitive to Gobbledock and screwing around with the spelling of his/hers PPruNe handle (but it was to good to pass up after a few libations; cracked up some of my fellow Neanderthal/ bogan mates as well though), the sexual innuendo and suggesting how to advance his/her career was probably a step to far. I forgot that other than the Brits/ Kiwis/ Aussies, other cultures can easily take offence at how we often mercilessly tease each other; quite often I was reminded of this when working overseas years ago with a mixed crew of Downunder/ Godzone types and other nationalities, and the horror with which Europeans mostly, thought of our behaviour until it was pointed out to them, that this was often the way we interrelated and that no, we didn’t actually hate each other but were in fact good mates. Perhaps, Cactusjack in your new European home you’ve forgotten how rough that ribbing can be? So to Gobbledock, if that part of my post offended you, I do sincerely apologise; however, with relation to your “pop phycology babble” about my emotional state and level of maturity, if you think I’m not going to have a crack back at you, you’re dreaming! Will I retract what I said, or apologise for pointing out that it was you in fact who had the infantile response of a figurative footstamp to the JetGo management post with your undiplomatically worded retort and a demand for more information on a public forum when JetGo management had invited you to ask them direct questions, NO.
Spike, again thank you for the two pickups, the “waist/ waste” thing was a bit of a Freudian slip as I was thinking about the waist at which I was looking at the time; the italics thing, yes, I noticed it when you responded about the APA style but the penny didn’t quite drop that that was the important point, a bit of a Neanderthal Caveman I guess. With regard to the emoticons and your niece, well to be honest, she’s probably already got me covered with regards to maturity level and intelligence and I use them as the written word can’t convey my facial expressions, tone of voice, etc, that generally conveys my tongue in cheek attitude; so, I’ll keep using them for awhile, but I thought you had picked up on the overall tone.
As you said, now to the serious bit. I fully appreciate your concern over the potential well being of employees at JetGo, however as I said in the guts of one of my previous posts; “To those of you who’d say what about their employee’s time and money, well there’s no guarantees in this life other than Birth, Death and Taxes, all professional pilots know (or should realise) we’re all only one medical, or two check rides, away from a new career, and the Australian government rules regarding payment of salaries and entitlements are the same for all companies and employees. As the saying goes “You pays your money and you takes your chances”, if offered a job, take it or not, it’s your decision, you should be man, or woman, enough to accept that.” (Yes, vain quoting myself but I can’t be ars#d typing it again). There have been plenty of examples in Australia and elsewhere of people who’ve done their due diligence checks on employers, investment institutions and such, who’ve come unstuck; Ansett Airlines, Lehman Brothers, come to mind. There’s no guarantees in this world old mate, you, I and every one else has to go with their best judgement at the time.
If people want to know about JetGo to do those due diligence checks before applying for, or accepting, employment. Do what JetGo management has invited you to do, ask them! Maybe they’ll tell you (probably nothing commercially sensitive though) or maybe they won’t; but you’ll probably have to man up and actually ask them yourself, not rely on a rumour network and then make your decision either way.
As I said before, you’ll just have to trust that they’ve done their homework, as they’re obviously backing themselves, and that they’re correct. If not, it’s really their problem not yours. The people that they’ve started to employ obviously believe they’ve got their sh@t together and they’ve taken that leap of faith we all have when accepting a job.
Time will tell of course but I’m prepared to give them the benefit of the doubt at present.
The Caveman
P.S. Oh Cactusjack, you took offence apparently at my “Personal insults on individuals”, yet you jumped straight in there with some for me, and then pushed other people forward to do your dirty work. We have several names and insults here in Australia for those who have a go at someone, or thing, but then expect others to do the dirty work, none of them complementary but you should know that of course.
With regards to personal insults, perhaps I should have been more culturally sensitive to Gobbledock and screwing around with the spelling of his/hers PPruNe handle (but it was to good to pass up after a few libations; cracked up some of my fellow Neanderthal/ bogan mates as well though), the sexual innuendo and suggesting how to advance his/her career was probably a step to far. I forgot that other than the Brits/ Kiwis/ Aussies, other cultures can easily take offence at how we often mercilessly tease each other; quite often I was reminded of this when working overseas years ago with a mixed crew of Downunder/ Godzone types and other nationalities, and the horror with which Europeans mostly, thought of our behaviour until it was pointed out to them, that this was often the way we interrelated and that no, we didn’t actually hate each other but were in fact good mates. Perhaps, Cactusjack in your new European home you’ve forgotten how rough that ribbing can be? So to Gobbledock, if that part of my post offended you, I do sincerely apologise; however, with relation to your “pop phycology babble” about my emotional state and level of maturity, if you think I’m not going to have a crack back at you, you’re dreaming! Will I retract what I said, or apologise for pointing out that it was you in fact who had the infantile response of a figurative footstamp to the JetGo management post with your undiplomatically worded retort and a demand for more information on a public forum when JetGo management had invited you to ask them direct questions, NO.
Spike, again thank you for the two pickups, the “waist/ waste” thing was a bit of a Freudian slip as I was thinking about the waist at which I was looking at the time
; the italics thing, yes, I noticed it when you responded about the APA style but the penny didn’t quite drop that that was the important point, a bit of a Neanderthal Caveman I guess. With regard to the emoticons and your niece, well to be honest, she’s probably already got me covered with regards to maturity level and intelligence and I use them as the written word can’t convey my facial expressions, tone of voice, etc, that generally conveys my tongue in cheek attitude; so, I’ll keep using them for awhile, but I thought you had picked up on the overall tone.As you said, now to the serious bit. I fully appreciate your concern over the potential well being of employees at JetGo, however as I said in the guts of one of my previous posts; “To those of you who’d say what about their employee’s time and money, well there’s no guarantees in this life other than Birth, Death and Taxes, all professional pilots know (or should realise) we’re all only one medical, or two check rides, away from a new career, and the Australian government rules regarding payment of salaries and entitlements are the same for all companies and employees. As the saying goes “You pays your money and you takes your chances”, if offered a job, take it or not, it’s your decision, you should be man, or woman, enough to accept that.” (Yes, vain quoting myself but I can’t be ars#d typing it again). There have been plenty of examples in Australia and elsewhere of people who’ve done their due diligence checks on employers, investment institutions and such, who’ve come unstuck; Ansett Airlines, Lehman Brothers, come to mind. There’s no guarantees in this world old mate, you, I and every one else has to go with their best judgement at the time.
If people want to know about JetGo to do those due diligence checks before applying for, or accepting, employment. Do what JetGo management has invited you to do, ask them! Maybe they’ll tell you (probably nothing commercially sensitive though) or maybe they won’t; but you’ll probably have to man up and actually ask them yourself, not rely on a rumour network and then make your decision either way.
As I said before, you’ll just have to trust that they’ve done their homework, as they’re obviously backing themselves, and that they’re correct. If not, it’s really their problem not yours. The people that they’ve started to employ obviously believe they’ve got their sh@t together and they’ve taken that leap of faith we all have when accepting a job.
Time will tell of course but I’m prepared to give them the benefit of the doubt at present.
The Caveman
P.S. Oh Cactusjack, you took offence apparently at my “Personal insults on individuals”, yet you jumped straight in there with some for me, and then pushed other people forward to do your dirty work. We have several names and insults here in Australia for those who have a go at someone, or thing, but then expect others to do the dirty work, none of them complementary but you should know that of course.
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This thread has been quiet for a few weeks, whats happening Caveman, Spike, JetGo management et al? Any updates on the AOC application? Has CASA set the BARS to high perhaps?
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Change of plan?
Still lurking here GD. waiting for more movement at the camp. Perhaps JetGo management have had a change of heart after the Air Australia mess. Or, they have decided to incorporate an A330 into the operation and use it between Brizzy and Gladstone?