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BARS compliance, part of the journey, not the destination
Rather than flogging compliance to an external audit as the pinnacle of achievement, any half decent consultant in the "SMS Industry" would be helping their customer develop an effective internal audit process. If you can do that external audits are a doddle and you will be more likely to be compliant all of the time.
That is the goal and delivering the means to achieve it is the work of a real industry professional not bragging about flogging a bolt-on SMS to his client.
That is the goal and delivering the means to achieve it is the work of a real industry professional not bragging about flogging a bolt-on SMS to his client.
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Agreed !!!!
The 20K I was referring to is the money the operator, or the mining sector client has to fork out to have a third party audit them..... I was not referring to 'me' benefiting or receiving the fee. Quite to the contrary, as you say, as the consultant to the client we simply work as an agent to have their 'house in order' in prep for future audits..... What JG is referring to I believe in their website is that when they are operational, they will operate and comply with industry standards.... Perhaps it isn't worded the best..... Still, they deserve some positive support off this forum! 
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xpensive for the operator at $20K a year but, good for people such as myself that are in the SMS industry!
Do you want to rethink your last post or is the mining company now the operator ?
"we simply work as an agent to have their 'house in order' in prep for future audits....."
You still don't get it do you. The operator is required to"have their house in order" 100% of the time and not just brush the dust off the manuals for external audits. The operator cannot rely on a third party to manage their compliance. Such an arrangement would not meet the requirements of the act for a suitable organisaional structure.
Honestly, I fear for the operator if that is the quality of your advice.
xpensive for the operator at $20K a year but, good for people such as myself that are in the SMS industry!Do you want to rethink your last post or is the mining company now the operator ?
"we simply work as an agent to have their 'house in order' in prep for future audits....."
You still don't get it do you. The operator is required to"have their house in order" 100% of the time and not just brush the dust off the manuals for external audits. The operator cannot rely on a third party to manage their compliance. Such an arrangement would not meet the requirements of the act for a suitable organisaional structure.
Honestly, I fear for the operator if that is the quality of your advice.
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Jet ready to go
Owen Jacques | 27th January 2012
THE Coast will become a $3 million base for new commuter charter airline JetGo Australia as it prepares to begin fly-in, fly-out routes by late March.
After a year of negotiation, the company has announced it will build a maintenance hangar at Sunshine Coast Airport.
It follows revelations earlier this month that Skytrans would fly workers from Marcoola to Queensland mines owned by Rio Tinto.
However, emerging airline JetGo has been chartered on behalf of at least one Sunshine Coast mining services firm.
"Essentially we are operating a fly-in, fly-out service from Sydney, Brisbane and the Sunshine Coast, " a spokesman said but he declined to name clients on the grounds of commercial confidentiality.
He said the Coast was a top choice because the cost of ground lease for hangar construction in Brisbane was more than $250,000 a year. Access would also be easier with fewer aircrafts demanding access to the tarmac.
JetGo will be the first Coast commuter airline to use jets in the under 50 seat market, matching the commuting time of those who drove to Brisbane to work.
"Typically, our competitor's aircraft are turbo prop - from Brisbane to Emerald takes about one hour 40 minutes in a typical Dash-8. Our flights are approximately 50 minutes," the spokesman said.
The 37-seat Embraer 135LR jets could begin flying twice a week by late March, following final regulatory approval from the Civil Aviation Safety Authority. "A lot of the companies (using JetGo) will pick up workers in Brisbane, go via the Sunshine Coast then fly to Moranbah," he said.
This high-speed travel would create "a new world" for Coast workers, according to economic development councillor Lew Brennan.
"It's an opportunity for us to break into new markets and new business," he said.
He credited airport general manager Peter Pallot with a "tremendous amount of hard work".
"I would also like to congratulate the company that has stepped up and committed to the Coast," Cr Brennan said.
Owen Jacques | 27th January 2012
THE Coast will become a $3 million base for new commuter charter airline JetGo Australia as it prepares to begin fly-in, fly-out routes by late March.
After a year of negotiation, the company has announced it will build a maintenance hangar at Sunshine Coast Airport.
It follows revelations earlier this month that Skytrans would fly workers from Marcoola to Queensland mines owned by Rio Tinto.
However, emerging airline JetGo has been chartered on behalf of at least one Sunshine Coast mining services firm.
"Essentially we are operating a fly-in, fly-out service from Sydney, Brisbane and the Sunshine Coast, " a spokesman said but he declined to name clients on the grounds of commercial confidentiality.
He said the Coast was a top choice because the cost of ground lease for hangar construction in Brisbane was more than $250,000 a year. Access would also be easier with fewer aircrafts demanding access to the tarmac.
JetGo will be the first Coast commuter airline to use jets in the under 50 seat market, matching the commuting time of those who drove to Brisbane to work.
"Typically, our competitor's aircraft are turbo prop - from Brisbane to Emerald takes about one hour 40 minutes in a typical Dash-8. Our flights are approximately 50 minutes," the spokesman said.
The 37-seat Embraer 135LR jets could begin flying twice a week by late March, following final regulatory approval from the Civil Aviation Safety Authority. "A lot of the companies (using JetGo) will pick up workers in Brisbane, go via the Sunshine Coast then fly to Moranbah," he said.
This high-speed travel would create "a new world" for Coast workers, according to economic development councillor Lew Brennan.
"It's an opportunity for us to break into new markets and new business," he said.
He credited airport general manager Peter Pallot with a "tremendous amount of hard work".
"I would also like to congratulate the company that has stepped up and committed to the Coast," Cr Brennan said.
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"Typically, our competitor's aircraft are turbo prop - from Brisbane to Emerald takes about one hour 40 minutes in a typical Dash-8. Our flights are approximately 50 minutes," the spokesman said.
The typical Dash 8 referred to by the spokesman is probably a SkyTrans DHC-8-100. The old 100 models TAS at 245-255 in typical Queensland ISA+ conditions. Other FIFO competitor operators, however, fly faster turbos and make the BNE-EML trip a lot quicker.
Certified high speed cruise in an EMB 135/140/145 is 444 KTAS. This isn't a speed you would fly around at if you wanted to make, rather than lose money. A more realistic cruise speed for this aircraft is M0.72 (around 425 KTAS) and at that speed, 50 minutes chock to chock BNE-EML is very optimistic.
Either way the fuel burn on a 37-50 seat RJ is prohibitive on a 50 minute sector and unless the RJ airframe is owned outright by 'JetGo' eventually turbo price competitiveness will see off such competition.
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The typical Dash 8 referred to by the spokesman is probably a SkyTrans DHC-8-100. The old 100 models TAS at 245-255 in typical Queensland ISA+ conditions. Other FIFO competitor operators, however, fly faster turbos and make the BNE-EML trip a lot quicker.
Certified high speed cruise in an EMB 135/140/145 is 444 KTAS. This isn't a speed you would fly around at if you wanted to make, rather than lose money. A more realistic cruise speed for this aircraft is M0.72 (around 425 KTAS) and at that speed, 50 minutes chock to chock BNE-EML is very optimistic.
Either way the fuel burn on a 37-50 seat RJ is prohibitive on a 50 minute sector and unless the RJ airframe is owned outright by 'JetGo' eventually turbo price competitiveness will see off such competition.
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From my logbook for the last three flights I did BNE-EMD-BNE in the ERJ-145, the block times were respectively 2.5, 2.7 and 2.6 hours, so one hour 18 minutes average one way, not 50 minutes. Sure, there would be ATC delays in that lot because we returned to BNE at peak hour, so those times equate to about a 280 knot block speed. I recall the aeroplane was only good for a cruise TAS around 375 knots and there were a bunch of low altitude speed restrictions which killed any chance of high speed all the way to the outer marker.
The 135 should be quicker but no way it would be 75 knots faster than a 145. It will certainly climb and cruise (but not descend) 100 knots faster than an older Dash 8 but over that sector length it wouldn't amount to anywhere near the time-saving they are claiming. Seems they are quoting the Dash at average scheduled block time for that route and their own machine at sales brochure TAS with no allowance for ATC or taxi.
I do wish the sales people would tell it how it is, or at least make the comparisons constant. When the client is disappointed in the on-time performance, the sales mob are always quick to field it to the Chief Pilot to 'please explain' all the delays.
Then the bean counters get in on the act asking why the hourly revenue is less than the hourly costs. Derrr.
The 135 should be quicker but no way it would be 75 knots faster than a 145. It will certainly climb and cruise (but not descend) 100 knots faster than an older Dash 8 but over that sector length it wouldn't amount to anywhere near the time-saving they are claiming. Seems they are quoting the Dash at average scheduled block time for that route and their own machine at sales brochure TAS with no allowance for ATC or taxi.
I do wish the sales people would tell it how it is, or at least make the comparisons constant. When the client is disappointed in the on-time performance, the sales mob are always quick to field it to the Chief Pilot to 'please explain' all the delays.
Then the bean counters get in on the act asking why the hourly revenue is less than the hourly costs. Derrr.
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You should apply, speaking to one of their new crew members the other day, the comment was that there was a shortage of guys with E145/Legacy time..They are crewing again soon for their 2nd aircraft..They are looking for DE Captains and FO's.. Hear they pay well to
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Why apply for a job with a company that has such an obviously unsustainable business plan?
It seems JetGo's management is adhering to the old aviation adage that "to make a small fortune in aviation you must first start with a big fortune"
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It seems JetGo's management is adhering to the old aviation adage that "to make a small fortune in aviation you must first start with a big fortune"
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You will be rewarded
I reckon that Copythisnumberdown and his ilk may well be rewarded for their enthusiasm.
They may even get their super contributions back or even have their leave entitlements paid out but then again maybe not.
Plenty of operators have started off with a pile of cash and enthusiasm only to see both disappear as calculations based on optimism alone start to fall apart. I would be asking to see how they plan to sustain losses over the coming months.
Nobody wants to see a new start fall over but sickly enthusiasm in the face of logic and history does not win friends. Forewarned is forearmed.
They may even get their super contributions back or even have their leave entitlements paid out but then again maybe not.
Plenty of operators have started off with a pile of cash and enthusiasm only to see both disappear as calculations based on optimism alone start to fall apart. I would be asking to see how they plan to sustain losses over the coming months.
Nobody wants to see a new start fall over but sickly enthusiasm in the face of logic and history does not win friends. Forewarned is forearmed.
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Sounds Familiar
If this isn't a windup, what's the bet that the individual with the initials D.C., ex Skyairworld is involved?
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If this isn't a windup, what's the bet that the individual with the initials D.C., ex Skyairworld is involved?
It seems JetGo's management is adhering to the old aviation adage that "to make a small fortune in aviation you must first start with a big fortune"
I would be very interested in looking beyond JetGo's 'enthusiasm' and sparkling analytical statements and peer beneath the veneer. What are the projected start up losses for the first 12 months? What are the initial start up costs in total? What is the projected or anticipated profit and loss estimates for years 1, 2 and 3?
And finaly, as for BARS being JetGo's benchmark, what can is say but 'oh dear'. To date this new start company has a lot of blowflies hanging around it.
Jeez, I love this industry!!!
From a website (deliberately vague at this stage, to avoid showing their cards too soon) and a press release (again, not to reveal too much too soon) and an ineffective google search, all you experts have decided that JetGo is No Go.
What a pack of pud-pullers and knockers.
Sit back and see, it won't cost you anything, and you might avoid looking like a triple-headed d1ldo, sneaking back onto the thread to delete your post.
From a website (deliberately vague at this stage, to avoid showing their cards too soon) and a press release (again, not to reveal too much too soon) and an ineffective google search, all you experts have decided that JetGo is No Go.
What a pack of pud-pullers and knockers.
Sit back and see, it won't cost you anything, and you might avoid looking like a triple-headed d1ldo, sneaking back onto the thread to delete your post.
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Fantastic, an interested party?
So the info is deliberately vague? I thought it was fairly specific. Aircraft type, market and base.
People with experience criticise the choice of aircraft and standard of advice their management are getting and you resort to refererring to your sexual dalliances?
Me thinks he doth protest too much!
Back in yer box clown
People with experience criticise the choice of aircraft and standard of advice their management are getting and you resort to refererring to your sexual dalliances?
Me thinks he doth protest too much!
Back in yer box clown
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From a website (deliberately vague at this stage, to avoid showing their cards too soon) and a press release (again, not to reveal too much too soon) and an ineffective google search, all you experts have decided that JetGo is No Go.
So I would suggest that JetGo take some of the criticism, even it seems a little harsh, and look at applying the 'advice'. Maybe some of us are actually trying to save the company from some pain and inconvenience? If you think our comments are harsh then just wait and see what happens if the Regulator spots some giant holes in your processes, you will wish you had listended to some of your 'critics' instead.
What a pack of pud-pullers and knockers.
Sit back and see, it won't cost you anything, and you might avoid looking like a triple-headed d1ldo, sneaking back onto the thread to delete your post.
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JETGO MANAGEMENT
Good Afternoon Fellow PPRuner's.... It has been brought to the managements attention of JGA that certain 'facts,figures and innuendo have been thrown about on this forum in the early stages of a launch of our new operation.
My purpose here is to TRY and answer any legitimate questions subscribers of this thread may have, directed at the operation, employment etc. As obviously we are quite busy doing our 'day jobs' , one or more of us will regularly monitor the forum and will endeavor to answer most posts or PM's.... We welcome constructive criticism but we wont accept nor acknowledge slanging matches.. Additionally due to the privacy our current staff, we cant answer questions about members, management or about salaries until which time you were asked to interview if ultimately that's where your interest is.
We thank you in advance for those of you who have wished us well in the daunting process of setting up and can only hope we prosper in this challenging industry....
My purpose here is to TRY and answer any legitimate questions subscribers of this thread may have, directed at the operation, employment etc. As obviously we are quite busy doing our 'day jobs' , one or more of us will regularly monitor the forum and will endeavor to answer most posts or PM's.... We welcome constructive criticism but we wont accept nor acknowledge slanging matches.. Additionally due to the privacy our current staff, we cant answer questions about members, management or about salaries until which time you were asked to interview if ultimately that's where your interest is.
We thank you in advance for those of you who have wished us well in the daunting process of setting up and can only hope we prosper in this challenging industry....
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Dear JetGo management.
Thank you so much for your post. In a way it was illuminating, in that although I haven't had my TV on this morning, it seems after reading your post, that I have just read a section of Sir Humphrey's dialogue with Jim Hacker from an episode of.... "Yes Minister".
Surely you can do better than this first offering?
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Thank you so much for your post. In a way it was illuminating, in that although I haven't had my TV on this morning, it seems after reading your post, that I have just read a section of Sir Humphrey's dialogue with Jim Hacker from an episode of.... "Yes Minister".
Surely you can do better than this first offering?
The Oracle