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BARRRING UP
Still lurking here GD. waiting for more movement at the camp. Perhaps JetGo management have had a change of heart after the Air Australia mess. Or, they have decided to incorporate an A330 into the operation and use it between Brizzy and Gladstone?
Spike, It would appear you are also lurking around here, along with the Gobbler? But where is Caveman? I somewhat miss that flying rascal and his witty banter, is he still busy with his 'tongue in cheek'?.
Has anybody heard yet whether this BARS accredited outfit has received its AOC yet?
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JetGo leases Embraer ERJ-135 for FIFO | Australian Aviation Magazine
Something coming of it, but no AOC approved as yet (as of today)
Something coming of it, but no AOC approved as yet (as of today)
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For those of you interested in "progress' if you take a quick look at our, " I quote from another visitor on this thread," crap website Home - JetGo Australia , you will see the aircraft in a hangar in prep for its ferry to Oz...
No its not photo-shopped, or a painted model.. All going well aircraft should touch down on Australian soil in the next couple of weeks.... for those of you interested in the "AOC" ... Again , from another quote here, its a bit hard to get an AOC without an aircraft.. True words none-the-less, We hope to have our flight testing phase completed with CASA by the end of March.... On track hopefully for the end of the first quarter of 2012.
Thanks everyone for your interest, cynical interest included!
No its not photo-shopped, or a painted model.. All going well aircraft should touch down on Australian soil in the next couple of weeks.... for those of you interested in the "AOC" ... Again , from another quote here, its a bit hard to get an AOC without an aircraft.. True words none-the-less, We hope to have our flight testing phase completed with CASA by the end of March.... On track hopefully for the end of the first quarter of 2012.
Thanks everyone for your interest, cynical interest included!
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Well I guess they would be paying in the vicinity of US$65k a mth [EMB-145 lease] + maintenance reserves...
Would it have been better to lease a ATR42 for around US$50k a month?
Would it have been better to lease a ATR42 for around US$50k a month?
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Unauthorised Maintenance?
"With the deal, John Holland becomes the first Embraer Authorized Service Center in Asia Pacific, Embraer said."
Does that mean Air North, Virgin Australia and SkyAirworld are/were unauthorized?
Does that mean Air North, Virgin Australia and SkyAirworld are/were unauthorized?
Given that Alliance OWN all their aircraft outright and have a pretty firm grip on the resources market at the moment for those who want jets, I'm struggling why anyone would think they can really compete with them!
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This aviation industry make me laugh and sick at ther same time.
JetGo are a start up and making their plans for what hopefully will be a great company.
There are so many pilots out there that just sit on this website and moan and groan about every single thread. If they are not happy with their present employer or job, then maybe they should think of a career change and let other keen aviators move on in the flying careers and get some constructive information from this website.
I bet if this start up makes it and is a great company to work for then all these moaning pilots that are not happy, will be wanting to apply for a position.
Just let JetGo do what it has to do until it can get established, instead of all the negative comments from you so called Experts. Just remember Virgin did not have a fleet of aircraft when it started so let time tell.
I will take a job with them.
There are so many pilots out there that just sit on this website and moan and groan about every single thread. If they are not happy with their present employer or job, then maybe they should think of a career change and let other keen aviators move on in the flying careers and get some constructive information from this website.
I bet if this start up makes it and is a great company to work for then all these moaning pilots that are not happy, will be wanting to apply for a position.
Just let JetGo do what it has to do until it can get established, instead of all the negative comments from you so called Experts. Just remember Virgin did not have a fleet of aircraft when it started so let time tell.
I will take a job with them.
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RE; Springbrok
Mate, Couldn't have said it better myself!
I would have thought if another company starts up it would be good for the industry if they succeed...
Bitter pilots, get over it or move on!
I would have thought if another company starts up it would be good for the industry if they succeed...
Bitter pilots, get over it or move on!
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Yesterday afternoon I saw JetGo's EMB Jet sitting in the Eastern Park at Mascot. What struck me was how similar their choice of livery was to that of the REX Saab parked nearby.
Any one care to make a "conspiracy theory" comment in this regard?
And dear "Spring" I was quite amused by what I think was a somewhat introspective remark from you concerning 'all the negative comments from you so called experts'.
As one of the posters in your 'sights' with a critical opinion of JetGo's long term prospects, I offer you the following quote from the Nobel Prize winning physicist and father of quantum mechanics and it's uncertainty principle, Dr. Werner Heisenberg - "An expert is someone who knows some of the worst mistakes that can be made in his subject, and how to avoid them."
As I said in my earlier thread on 16th January, in order to succeed, JetGo needs to offer a service that is both attractive to their proposed customers and more price competitive than other competitors in their target market.
Unless JetGo own their assets outright and have a huge cash surplus to lose while they fight for a share of their market, they will ultimately be outpriced by the current market players due to the well documented and unsustainable high costs of operating 37 to 50 seat regional jets against turboprops over sector lengths of less than 400 nautical miles.
Should they choose not to fight against turbo's in the sub 400NM markets and instead seek FIFO work servicing clients at ranges between 400NM to 600NM (where EMB/CRJ DOC's can be cost effective), they will then be attempting to compete in markets suitable to 70 to 100 seat Jets such as the F70 and F100. Ultimately these larger operators will be more cost competitive with their greater economies of scale (1 crew change movement of the Fokker or Bae/RJ 70/100) compared with the 2 crew change movements required by the EMB Jet).
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Any one care to make a "conspiracy theory" comment in this regard?
And dear "Spring" I was quite amused by what I think was a somewhat introspective remark from you concerning 'all the negative comments from you so called experts'.
As one of the posters in your 'sights' with a critical opinion of JetGo's long term prospects, I offer you the following quote from the Nobel Prize winning physicist and father of quantum mechanics and it's uncertainty principle, Dr. Werner Heisenberg - "An expert is someone who knows some of the worst mistakes that can be made in his subject, and how to avoid them."
As I said in my earlier thread on 16th January, in order to succeed, JetGo needs to offer a service that is both attractive to their proposed customers and more price competitive than other competitors in their target market.
Unless JetGo own their assets outright and have a huge cash surplus to lose while they fight for a share of their market, they will ultimately be outpriced by the current market players due to the well documented and unsustainable high costs of operating 37 to 50 seat regional jets against turboprops over sector lengths of less than 400 nautical miles.
Should they choose not to fight against turbo's in the sub 400NM markets and instead seek FIFO work servicing clients at ranges between 400NM to 600NM (where EMB/CRJ DOC's can be cost effective), they will then be attempting to compete in markets suitable to 70 to 100 seat Jets such as the F70 and F100. Ultimately these larger operators will be more cost competitive with their greater economies of scale (1 crew change movement of the Fokker or Bae/RJ 70/100) compared with the 2 crew change movements required by the EMB Jet).
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You guys crack me up! There are only three people who really know what is going on at JetGo and its none of you.
The drivel being sprouted here once again displays the lack of knowledge of what is really happening in the industry that we all derive our living from.
I have been here since 1996 when PPrune was a two forum email BBS, and have a really good idea what the “R” stands for. However the “R” is only pertinent when you actually know something (which most of you don’t) . Made up concepts or ….”my ideas” do not constitute the “R”.
JetGo is bringing something very new to market, do you honestly think that you pluck a multi million dollar jet out of thin air, have it registered and operating in country without having backing or experience and a combination of the two.
Instead of sprouting how they are going to do this or that, the JetGo crew have let their plane do the talking, actions speak a lot louder than words in this industry. They slowly got on with the job of doing it. A new AOC, not re-birthed or borrowed, compliant with their customers demands and that of the department.
This project has been on the cards for over two years, the paperwork has been at CASA for nearly a year. They have put in place the right people with the right experience, without the hubbub and the show.
So instead sprouting how “airline economics” dictate that this or that, and which aircraft is not suited for whichever market. Not every customer needs 100 seats, nor do they want to go 400 miles.
At one stage every airline in Australia had one aircraft……JetGo is no different. These guys have popped up from under the radar….. only because most people here can only see as far as their own horizon.
JetGo have deliberately played their cards very close to their chest, they are a fresh breath to the Australian industry
Australians talk about giving the underdog a fair go, well how about you guys give them the support that they deserve, more jets means, more jobs, more jobs means more options, and more options is what all the pilots in this country want and need.
Its either that or part time contracts with a one star airline, the once icon of the global aviation industry is not going to hire for a very very long time or you can stick to flogging about the sky in geriatric turboprop.
Your choice.
The drivel being sprouted here once again displays the lack of knowledge of what is really happening in the industry that we all derive our living from.
I have been here since 1996 when PPrune was a two forum email BBS, and have a really good idea what the “R” stands for. However the “R” is only pertinent when you actually know something (which most of you don’t) . Made up concepts or ….”my ideas” do not constitute the “R”.
JetGo is bringing something very new to market, do you honestly think that you pluck a multi million dollar jet out of thin air, have it registered and operating in country without having backing or experience and a combination of the two.
Instead of sprouting how they are going to do this or that, the JetGo crew have let their plane do the talking, actions speak a lot louder than words in this industry. They slowly got on with the job of doing it. A new AOC, not re-birthed or borrowed, compliant with their customers demands and that of the department.
This project has been on the cards for over two years, the paperwork has been at CASA for nearly a year. They have put in place the right people with the right experience, without the hubbub and the show.
So instead sprouting how “airline economics” dictate that this or that, and which aircraft is not suited for whichever market. Not every customer needs 100 seats, nor do they want to go 400 miles.
At one stage every airline in Australia had one aircraft……JetGo is no different. These guys have popped up from under the radar….. only because most people here can only see as far as their own horizon.
JetGo have deliberately played their cards very close to their chest, they are a fresh breath to the Australian industry
Australians talk about giving the underdog a fair go, well how about you guys give them the support that they deserve, more jets means, more jobs, more jobs means more options, and more options is what all the pilots in this country want and need.
Its either that or part time contracts with a one star airline, the once icon of the global aviation industry is not going to hire for a very very long time or you can stick to flogging about the sky in geriatric turboprop.
Your choice.
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BIZZYBODY FAIL
Just thought I'd start to come back with a few classic "Fails" of the so called experts on this forum, this one by "Bizzybody"
"Wow an all white unmarked aircraft with an unknown rego in a hangar on the other side of the globe. Yep must be theirs"
Strangest thing happened to me today when I was pre-flighting my a/c beside JetGos new E135... Must be a mirage.. Yes this forum knows it all ...I shake my head in bewilderment.. Good Luck Jetgo.... Thumbs up for 'having a go" now how about a job!!!!
"Wow an all white unmarked aircraft with an unknown rego in a hangar on the other side of the globe. Yep must be theirs"
Strangest thing happened to me today when I was pre-flighting my a/c beside JetGos new E135... Must be a mirage.. Yes this forum knows it all ...I shake my head in bewilderment.. Good Luck Jetgo.... Thumbs up for 'having a go" now how about a job!!!!
Tell you what cracks me up - pilot's with jets in their eyes who think every new start up is going to be a wonderful, money spinning success, and can't handle any comments that aren't blowing smoke. It's got nothing to do with giving them a fair go, tall poppy syndrome or bitterness - it's about seeing through the spin and keeping it real.
Generally wary comments will be posted by those who have been personally affected by the collapse of yet another failed aviation venture, or have watched one unravel nearby. Every startup says they are bringing something new/ different, have the most experienced team, are more efficient. Problem is if the idea isn't good it doesn't make any difference.
Try looking past one jet with a new coat of paint and look at what exactly they are doing and why it hasn't been done successfully before, otherwise you might be looking for the unemployment office.
Generally wary comments will be posted by those who have been personally affected by the collapse of yet another failed aviation venture, or have watched one unravel nearby. Every startup says they are bringing something new/ different, have the most experienced team, are more efficient. Problem is if the idea isn't good it doesn't make any difference.
Try looking past one jet with a new coat of paint and look at what exactly they are doing and why it hasn't been done successfully before, otherwise you might be looking for the unemployment office.
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Copythis.
I know their leased aircraft is in town. I know they took Photos of an all white plane claiming to be theirs. I know that it's also not their money, I know it's not their balls on the line and I know their application has not been in with CASA for over a year.
Ahhhh yes the Do 328 Jet concept?
My money is on the F50 operation starting up in the same area around the same time. At least they are using their own money and they have all been in the airline industry for longer than JR and AM have been alive.
I know their leased aircraft is in town. I know they took Photos of an all white plane claiming to be theirs. I know that it's also not their money, I know it's not their balls on the line and I know their application has not been in with CASA for over a year.
Ahhhh yes the Do 328 Jet concept?
My money is on the F50 operation starting up in the same area around the same time. At least they are using their own money and they have all been in the airline industry for longer than JR and AM have been alive.
Whispering "T" Jet
Just remember Virgin did not have a fleet of aircraft when it started so let time tell.