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Wow, thanks for the Short Novel Caveman
Yes what you say is correct, we today had our proving flight passed, AOC is now "In the mail" We should see commercial operations hopefully over the next week or so!
Was it an easy task.....Hell no!..... Would I attempt it again...No Chance!... But its done, and as Caveman mentioned, on time and budget ( give or take 3 weeks) as promised on our web site from late last year. A big thanks to all the staff at Jetgo that have pulled on years of industry experience to make this happen as it did!. Additionally a big thank you to all our contractors out their in their own specialized fields such as Safety Management and Maintenance Control and Ground handling and catering to name a few. A Special big thanks to the Staff at Brisbane Jet Base and AHA ground handling at Rockhampton for the help offered. ( Thanks Lyle for baby sitting our passengers for the day when we tech'd last week!)
PPruner's, thanks for following the thread, I see the critics have formed their own opinion and that's fine! Keep an eye out soon for our "Not so crap" website
Yes what you say is correct, we today had our proving flight passed, AOC is now "In the mail" We should see commercial operations hopefully over the next week or so! Was it an easy task.....Hell no!..... Would I attempt it again...No Chance!... But its done, and as Caveman mentioned, on time and budget ( give or take 3 weeks) as promised on our web site from late last year. A big thanks to all the staff at Jetgo that have pulled on years of industry experience to make this happen as it did!. Additionally a big thank you to all our contractors out their in their own specialized fields such as Safety Management and Maintenance Control and Ground handling and catering to name a few. A Special big thanks to the Staff at Brisbane Jet Base and AHA ground handling at Rockhampton for the help offered. ( Thanks Lyle for baby sitting our passengers for the day when we tech'd last week!)
PPruner's, thanks for following the thread, I see the critics have formed their own opinion and that's fine! Keep an eye out soon for our "Not so crap" website
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Egg on my face, nup.
“Really, Spike, that’s just a downright insult to the experience and professionalism of the crews flying the aircraft and the guys setting up JetGo. You might get away with questioning the advisability of establishing the operation, which is a fair question, but to infer these guys are setting up a dangerous operation is really bad form.” CaptCaveman, post#118, 30 Mar 2012
You should also quote the subsequent post which clarifies the target of my comment.
To the Jet Go people:
Well done getting the AOC, I know how much work goes into it. Now your sites will be set on my making it pay and I genuinely hope you make a success of it.
As for your SMS, I hope you can make the move from a manual and intent to process in practice.
It would be privilege to be at the helm of the SMS when you have the ability to shape the safety culture of the organisation from scratch. All the best.
You should also quote the subsequent post which clarifies the target of my comment.
To the Jet Go people:
Well done getting the AOC, I know how much work goes into it. Now your sites will be set on my making it pay and I genuinely hope you make a success of it.
As for your SMS, I hope you can make the move from a manual and intent to process in practice.
It would be privilege to be at the helm of the SMS when you have the ability to shape the safety culture of the organisation from scratch. All the best.
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I may have shot that load but don’t worry mate, there’s plenty more in the Bag(s), I’m not a one shot wonder. [No, that’s not a spelling error folks, just a nod and wink to the nickname of one of the JetGo principles] From the tone of your posts you’re obviously a “Glass half empty” kind of person.
However, to extend your sexual metaphor; it’s good to hear from the JetGo Management that the JetGo people are working together for a satisfactory outcome, I guess they’re all pulling together as a team for the money shot, where as you’re probably a solo kind of guy.
JetGo Management
My pleasure, I get bored.
flying-spike
No, I didn’t feel the need to include your next post, or it’s context, as even though you clarified who your were speaking too, although that was as clear as mud in the original and highlighted post, you still haven’t actually said sorry for the inference that you felt the need to clarify. That was the point of the jibe. However, if you feel the clarification was enough, then I guess we can agree to disagree, as is both our privilege.
It is interesting to note however, the change in the tone of your posts about JetGo as the thread has progressed; I almost thought your concluding paragraph was hinting at wanting a job. Don’t worry, I understood the real intent, if you’re in the SMS field, a fresh start company would be good, as you don’t have to change entrenched attitudes and practises, and deal with old smartarses like me.
My oleo is extended
Perhaps the reason it’s so difficult to obtain an AOC from CASA is that it takes rather a lot for them to revoke an AOC these days.
Do you have any “real” reason to believe JetGo will lose their AOC after putting in all the hard yards to be issued with an AOC? Or was your rather oblivious and easy rejoinder an attempt to justify your views on JetGo and perhaps to salve your ego?
The Caveman
Retiring not to my cave but a floating paradise, where perhaps I’ll be transformed into shark **** instead of just being a ****, some of you can only hope, see you next week.
I may have shot that load but don’t worry mate, there’s plenty more in the Bag(s), I’m not a one shot wonder. [No, that’s not a spelling error folks, just a nod and wink to the nickname of one of the JetGo principles] From the tone of your posts you’re obviously a “Glass half empty” kind of person.
However, to extend your sexual metaphor; it’s good to hear from the JetGo Management that the JetGo people are working together for a satisfactory outcome, I guess they’re all pulling together as a team for the money shot, where as you’re probably a solo kind of guy.
JetGo Management
My pleasure, I get bored.
flying-spike
No, I didn’t feel the need to include your next post, or it’s context, as even though you clarified who your were speaking too, although that was as clear as mud in the original and highlighted post, you still haven’t actually said sorry for the inference that you felt the need to clarify. That was the point of the jibe. However, if you feel the clarification was enough, then I guess we can agree to disagree, as is both our privilege.
It is interesting to note however, the change in the tone of your posts about JetGo as the thread has progressed; I almost thought your concluding paragraph was hinting at wanting a job. Don’t worry, I understood the real intent, if you’re in the SMS field, a fresh start company would be good, as you don’t have to change entrenched attitudes and practises, and deal with old smartarses like me.
My oleo is extended
Perhaps the reason it’s so difficult to obtain an AOC from CASA is that it takes rather a lot for them to revoke an AOC these days.
Do you have any “real” reason to believe JetGo will lose their AOC after putting in all the hard yards to be issued with an AOC? Or was your rather oblivious and easy rejoinder an attempt to justify your views on JetGo and perhaps to salve your ego?
The Caveman
Retiring not to my cave but a floating paradise, where perhaps I’ll be transformed into shark **** instead of just being a ****, some of you can only hope, see you next week.
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Oh Caveman, how wrong you are.
1. I don't apologize for you grasping at the wrong end of the pineapple.
2. You have to read and understand who the barbs were aimed at, a braggard SMS snake oil salesman and the armchair critics who obviously didn't know what you can and can't do when you haven't yet got an AOC
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3. I want a job with Jet Go? You are freaking joking! Let me say that again in case you are too thick (a fair chance) to understand. I don't choose who I work for or with based on a gamble and a shiny new aeroplane. I say again I wish them every success.
2. You have to read and understand who the barbs were aimed at, a braggard SMS snake oil salesman and the armchair critics who obviously didn't know what you can and can't do when you haven't yet got an AOC
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3. I want a job with Jet Go? You are freaking joking! Let me say that again in case you are too thick (a fair chance) to understand. I don't choose who I work for or with based on a gamble and a shiny new aeroplane. I say again I wish them every success.
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Aagh yes Captcaveman and his knee-jerk emotional posts.
You seem to feel that I am hinting that JetGo may lose it's AOC? How odd indeed. Go back and read what I wrote as your emotions have clouded your synapsis. I quite simply said it is easier to obtain an AOC than to keep it. Nothing personal in that mate. But of course If anybody posts anything here that is anything short of praiseworthy or completely 'for' JetGo you have a shot at them.
Obtaining an entry level AOC is a relarively short process, keeping it is a long term process, that applies to any airline.
I agree with Spike, you are grasping the wrong end of the pineapple. Anyway enjoy your management meetings with JetGo management, all your posts indicate an already close active relationship!
You seem to feel that I am hinting that JetGo may lose it's AOC? How odd indeed. Go back and read what I wrote as your emotions have clouded your synapsis. I quite simply said it is easier to obtain an AOC than to keep it. Nothing personal in that mate. But of course If anybody posts anything here that is anything short of praiseworthy or completely 'for' JetGo you have a shot at them.
Obtaining an entry level AOC is a relarively short process, keeping it is a long term process, that applies to any airline.
I agree with Spike, you are grasping the wrong end of the pineapple. Anyway enjoy your management meetings with JetGo management, all your posts indicate an already close active relationship!
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Confirmation bias?
I reckon you are on the money Oleo. Captain Caveman would appear to be prone to lash out at any perceived negative comment about JetGo in order to justify his decision to join them.
They will need more than blind faith and enthusiasm to stay in the air and hopefully operating at a profit. If he can't sort wheat from chaff now what would he be like when he is put under pressure in the cockpit?
They will need more than blind faith and enthusiasm to stay in the air and hopefully operating at a profit. If he can't sort wheat from chaff now what would he be like when he is put under pressure in the cockpit?
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You did!! I have set up a number of AOC's and know the process very well. It is a relatively short process indeed, and takes around about 12 months as an average. Indeed a short process compared with a potential 10, 20+ years operating. The process is not without hard work but relatively straight forward if you are competent and know what you are doing, and know doubt 'Captcaveman the pineapple king' would have been thoroughly versed in this process (except perhaps aircraft door opening?).
Spike
I think he would end up reaching for the tissue box and handing over to the F/O as he does appear to be somewhat opinionated and emotional.
Really ! Maybe we should have asked for one of those instead!
Spike
If he can't sort wheat from chaff now what would he be like when he is put under pressure in the cockpit?
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Jeez, a bloke has a quite weekend away and it’s like coming home and finding the kids have run amok.
flying-spike
How wide do you want to throw those barbs? Your original post, where I supposedly “grasped the wrong end of the pineapple”, was not target specific, you did clarify your comment and acknowledged that JetGo appeared to be getting the job done, as I’ve acknowledged, but you did not have the good grace to concede that the original post wasn’t clear and appeared to cast aspersions on the JetGo people, their experience and knowledge, and that it could have caused offence to those individuals, for that, I believe an apology is warranted. You obviously disagree, and as I said, that’s your privilege. But, to come back a second time and add an additional target, “a braggard SMS snake oil salesman”, who hadn’t posted for awhile before your comment, smacks of desperation to justify your miss thrown barb and possibly, an inability to admit an error or apologise if you’ve inadvertently or unintentionally caused offence. Is sorry, really the hardest word for you in those circumstances?
Now, as to whether I’m too thick to realise that you don’t want a job with JetGo, as I pointed out, I got that you didn’t, as I said, “I almost thought” but you did sound like you were changing your tune with regard to JetGo. You also stated that, “It would be privilege to be at the helm of the SMS when you have the ability to shape the safety culture of the organisation from scratch”, I did understand that you were thinking wistfully about such an opportunity, not asking for a job; but even your mate thought you were kissing JetGo’s arse.
My oleo is extended
I did read, and reread, your post, and I thought it was a glib and flippant comment designed to belittle JetGo’s achievement in gaining an AOC and I’m an expert (self proclaimed of course, in true Pprune tradition) in smartarse comments, as I make them all the time, but you blokes don’t seem to have picked up on that fact. So yeah, I reckon it was a comment aimed at JetGo maybe not being able to keep their new AOC. No personal offence taken by me though mate.
“an entry level AOC”, well I’ll bow to your expertise on this, as I’ve never been involved in helping any company obtain an AOC, contrary to the suspicions you, and flying-spike, hold. But I would have thought, being a non AOC procurement expert, unlike you who’s apparently been involved in the process multiple times, that perhaps an AOC for say, SE Pistons doing Aerial Work, would be generally thought of as an entry level type AOC, with High Capacity RPT being the top of the AOC pile, and JetGo’s new AOC, as being somewhere in between those levels of achievement.
So, I checked CASA’s website, out of interest, to see how many companies have an AOC with the privileges that I’ve heard JetGo will enjoy; Jet, International Operations, Charter and High Capacity (not positive about the HC, so I won’t quote the number on that); out of the 600 companies with a charter AOC, there were only 79 with Charter >5700kg (necessary for Jungle Jet operations if any readers are unfamiliar with JetGo’s aircraft), 68 with International Ops and 33 with Jet. Now as some of those 600 companies hold all of those privileges, and some of the 600 don’t operate either jets or aircraft over 5700kgs to the best of my knowledge, it would still appear that the total numbers who hold all the privileges that JetGo is rumoured to have gained, to be a small percentage of the 600. So, I filtered the search and it appears there are only 30 out of 600 that hold those 3 privileges, or 5%, I could of course have incorrectly filtered the AOC holders and will stand corrected if I have got the numbers wrong. I guess if JetGo have got High Capacity on their AOC, as rumoured as well, then that’ll be an even smaller percentage. I’ll go out on a limb and say that JetGo have actually achieved a lot more than only “an entry level AOC” (not a term CASA seems to use on their website, that I can find anyway), I suspect you’ll disagree, as is your privilege of course. I’d also guess that all our fellow Ppruners will soon be able to determine for themselves whether JetGo’s AOC is only a lowly “entry level AOC”, or perhaps a somewhat higher achievement than you’ve indicated, when the details are published on the CASA website in the next week or so, for all to view, and then perhaps workout for themselves how a high percentage of AOC holders actually enjoy the privileges that JetGo is rumoured to have obtained.
Now Boys,
Do I work for JetGo? No, guess again. I do know some, but not all, of the players who were involved on both sides of getting the AOC issued, as many Ppruners also would. You meet and work with lots of people over the years, and Australian Aviation isn’t that big, but that doesn’t mean you have a close relationship, either personal or professional with them, does it? I haven’t had any direct contact with some of the players I’ve heard mentioned, for up to 20 years. So, no JetGo Management meetings for me, I loathe having to attend my company’s meetings now; KPIs, operating costs, etc, BORING!
Do I have a go at anyone who’s less than positive about JetGo? I don’t think I have actually had a go at “all” those people but you’re free to disagree, though I’m sure having fun throwing a few barbs out of my own at some of you nay sayer’s and people making statements with either no basis, or an inability to defend their statements when challenged. I barrack for the underdog, always have, always will, and I love stirring the possum; that’s why I joined this little game. Do I know if JetGo is going to succeed or not? No, reread what I’ve said in previous posts, I just wish JetGo well, hope that they do succeed, and as always, I back the battler having a go.
Am I an emotional kneejerker (have I just made up a word?), who crumbles under pressure in the cockpit, well I’ll leave that up to the people who’ve actually flown with me, and the check and trainers, who’ve been putting me under the usual pressure for all these years; that’s for them to answer. Opinionated, of course, I’m a pilot, I kind of thought that it goes with the territory. I tell you what, if having a go at me gets your fluids circulating and helps you, figuratively, extended your personal oleos while doing it, have at it, I’m a big boy; I do hope that your oleo extension isn’t literal though while having a go at me.
FYI, the last time I needed a tissue in the cockpit and had to handover, was a few years ago now, when I had to wipe the drool off my chin after seeing one of the new glamours working down the back and before going to have a chat with her. Sorry, female FA’s, I’ve got to stop being a Neanderthal Caveman…………. narr, bugger that!
I will say in my defence though, I do know how to open most aircraft doors, you kind of pick that up over the years, but I can’t positively say that about a Jungle Jet, as I’m not endorsed, so fair point to you Oleo.
The Caveman
P.S. Boys, it’s nice to see Spike that Oleo has forgiven your positive JetGo comments, and Spike that you’ve forgotten Oleo’s “brown tongue” comment, as that tongue wouldn’t have been fun when, as you again seem to be, figuratively speaking, “swapping warm spit in the showers” (Clint Eastwood, Heartbreak Ridge). I truly don’t want to know if it’s actually physical though, as that would be a hideous image, unless you’re 2 women of course; in which case, please post some pictures
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flying-spike
How wide do you want to throw those barbs? Your original post, where I supposedly “grasped the wrong end of the pineapple”, was not target specific, you did clarify your comment and acknowledged that JetGo appeared to be getting the job done, as I’ve acknowledged, but you did not have the good grace to concede that the original post wasn’t clear and appeared to cast aspersions on the JetGo people, their experience and knowledge, and that it could have caused offence to those individuals, for that, I believe an apology is warranted. You obviously disagree, and as I said, that’s your privilege. But, to come back a second time and add an additional target, “a braggard SMS snake oil salesman”, who hadn’t posted for awhile before your comment, smacks of desperation to justify your miss thrown barb and possibly, an inability to admit an error or apologise if you’ve inadvertently or unintentionally caused offence. Is sorry, really the hardest word for you in those circumstances?
Now, as to whether I’m too thick to realise that you don’t want a job with JetGo, as I pointed out, I got that you didn’t, as I said, “I almost thought” but you did sound like you were changing your tune with regard to JetGo. You also stated that, “It would be privilege to be at the helm of the SMS when you have the ability to shape the safety culture of the organisation from scratch”, I did understand that you were thinking wistfully about such an opportunity, not asking for a job; but even your mate thought you were kissing JetGo’s arse.
My oleo is extended
I did read, and reread, your post, and I thought it was a glib and flippant comment designed to belittle JetGo’s achievement in gaining an AOC and I’m an expert (self proclaimed of course, in true Pprune tradition) in smartarse comments, as I make them all the time, but you blokes don’t seem to have picked up on that fact. So yeah, I reckon it was a comment aimed at JetGo maybe not being able to keep their new AOC. No personal offence taken by me though mate.
“an entry level AOC”, well I’ll bow to your expertise on this, as I’ve never been involved in helping any company obtain an AOC, contrary to the suspicions you, and flying-spike, hold. But I would have thought, being a non AOC procurement expert, unlike you who’s apparently been involved in the process multiple times, that perhaps an AOC for say, SE Pistons doing Aerial Work, would be generally thought of as an entry level type AOC, with High Capacity RPT being the top of the AOC pile, and JetGo’s new AOC, as being somewhere in between those levels of achievement.
So, I checked CASA’s website, out of interest, to see how many companies have an AOC with the privileges that I’ve heard JetGo will enjoy; Jet, International Operations, Charter and High Capacity (not positive about the HC, so I won’t quote the number on that); out of the 600 companies with a charter AOC, there were only 79 with Charter >5700kg (necessary for Jungle Jet operations if any readers are unfamiliar with JetGo’s aircraft), 68 with International Ops and 33 with Jet. Now as some of those 600 companies hold all of those privileges, and some of the 600 don’t operate either jets or aircraft over 5700kgs to the best of my knowledge, it would still appear that the total numbers who hold all the privileges that JetGo is rumoured to have gained, to be a small percentage of the 600. So, I filtered the search and it appears there are only 30 out of 600 that hold those 3 privileges, or 5%, I could of course have incorrectly filtered the AOC holders and will stand corrected if I have got the numbers wrong. I guess if JetGo have got High Capacity on their AOC, as rumoured as well, then that’ll be an even smaller percentage. I’ll go out on a limb and say that JetGo have actually achieved a lot more than only “an entry level AOC” (not a term CASA seems to use on their website, that I can find anyway), I suspect you’ll disagree, as is your privilege of course. I’d also guess that all our fellow Ppruners will soon be able to determine for themselves whether JetGo’s AOC is only a lowly “entry level AOC”, or perhaps a somewhat higher achievement than you’ve indicated, when the details are published on the CASA website in the next week or so, for all to view, and then perhaps workout for themselves how a high percentage of AOC holders actually enjoy the privileges that JetGo is rumoured to have obtained.
Now Boys,
Do I work for JetGo? No, guess again. I do know some, but not all, of the players who were involved on both sides of getting the AOC issued, as many Ppruners also would. You meet and work with lots of people over the years, and Australian Aviation isn’t that big, but that doesn’t mean you have a close relationship, either personal or professional with them, does it? I haven’t had any direct contact with some of the players I’ve heard mentioned, for up to 20 years. So, no JetGo Management meetings for me, I loathe having to attend my company’s meetings now; KPIs, operating costs, etc, BORING!
Do I have a go at anyone who’s less than positive about JetGo? I don’t think I have actually had a go at “all” those people but you’re free to disagree, though I’m sure having fun throwing a few barbs out of my own at some of you nay sayer’s and people making statements with either no basis, or an inability to defend their statements when challenged. I barrack for the underdog, always have, always will, and I love stirring the possum; that’s why I joined this little game. Do I know if JetGo is going to succeed or not? No, reread what I’ve said in previous posts, I just wish JetGo well, hope that they do succeed, and as always, I back the battler having a go.
Am I an emotional kneejerker (have I just made up a word?), who crumbles under pressure in the cockpit, well I’ll leave that up to the people who’ve actually flown with me, and the check and trainers, who’ve been putting me under the usual pressure for all these years; that’s for them to answer. Opinionated, of course, I’m a pilot, I kind of thought that it goes with the territory. I tell you what, if having a go at me gets your fluids circulating and helps you, figuratively, extended your personal oleos while doing it, have at it, I’m a big boy; I do hope that your oleo extension isn’t literal though while having a go at me.
FYI, the last time I needed a tissue in the cockpit and had to handover, was a few years ago now, when I had to wipe the drool off my chin after seeing one of the new glamours working down the back and before going to have a chat with her. Sorry, female FA’s, I’ve got to stop being a Neanderthal Caveman…………. narr, bugger that!
I will say in my defence though, I do know how to open most aircraft doors, you kind of pick that up over the years, but I can’t positively say that about a Jungle Jet, as I’m not endorsed, so fair point to you Oleo.
The Caveman
P.S. Boys, it’s nice to see Spike that Oleo has forgiven your positive JetGo comments, and Spike that you’ve forgotten Oleo’s “brown tongue” comment, as that tongue wouldn’t have been fun when, as you again seem to be, figuratively speaking, “swapping warm spit in the showers” (Clint Eastwood, Heartbreak Ridge). I truly don’t want to know if it’s actually physical though, as that would be a hideous image, unless you’re 2 women of course; in which case, please post some pictures
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Poor Caveman
Glad to see Oleo and I have caused you to waste a few more precious breaths.
As for Oleo, I have worked with him and he is a professional. It is not uncommon for he and I to exchange a few lighthearted barbs (but never spit). You are obviously the self opinionated, egomaniac pilot prig that we picked you to be. It has been fun playing with you.
As for Oleo, I have worked with him and he is a professional. It is not uncommon for he and I to exchange a few lighthearted barbs (but never spit). You are obviously the self opinionated, egomaniac pilot prig that we picked you to be. It has been fun playing with you.
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Prigs, Spikes, Oleo's, Cavemen and emotional breakdowns
Caveman, indeed welcome back to 'the game'. I thought it would be fun to pair up with Spike considering your pairing up with Jetgo Management.
Now I must say that your waffle about entry level AOC blah blah was so messy that I will pass on making comment. I do agree that 'time will tell' in relation to JetGo's success. Besides, the more that we all banter on about JetGo then the more free publicity the brand gets, so that must be good for the industry, yes?
A couple of things,
Don't flatter yourself. Sorry to dissapoint you but the answer is 'no'.
Same thing happenned to me once. But I learned to contain my drool and save it for the post flight activities.
slice,
Agreed. A lot of emotional waffle spoken by Caveman. I think an injection of testosterone and some prozac and lithium may get him back on track. Last thing an airline needs is an emotionally unstable pilot at the helm.
I'm glad Spike has a sense of humour. It would appear that although worlds apart we are able to jab serious or stirring comments at each other with no hard feelings or 'emotional scarring'. Caveman you could learn a lesson.
Spike, you know him well !
Now I must say that your waffle about entry level AOC blah blah was so messy that I will pass on making comment. I do agree that 'time will tell' in relation to JetGo's success. Besides, the more that we all banter on about JetGo then the more free publicity the brand gets, so that must be good for the industry, yes?
A couple of things,
I do hope that your oleo extension isn’t literal though while having a go at me.
FYI, the last time I needed a tissue in the cockpit and had to handover, was a few years ago now, when I had to wipe the drool off my chin after seeing one of the new glamours working down the back and before going to have a chat with her.
slice,
A lot of emotional attachment there for someone who doesn't work for Jetgo.
P.S. Boys, it’s nice to see Spike that Oleo has forgiven your positive JetGo comments, and Spike that you’ve forgotten Oleo’s “brown tongue” comment, as that tongue wouldn’t have been fun when, as you again seem to be, figuratively speaking, “swapping warm spit in the showers” (Clint Eastwood, Heartbreak Ridge). I truly don’t want to know if it’s actually physical though, as that would be a hideous image, unless you’re 2 women of course; in which case, please post some pictures
You are obviously the self opinionated, egomaniac pilot prig that we picked you to be. It has been fun playing with you.
The first edition of H.W. Fowler's Modern English Useage has the following definition:
A prig is a believer in red tape; that is, he exalts the method above the work done. A prig, like the Pharisee, says: "God, I thank thee that I am not as other men are"—except that he often substitutes Self for God. A prig is one who works out his paltry accounts to the last farthing, while his millionaire neighbour lets accounts take care of themselves. A prig expects others to square themselves to his very inadequate measuring rod, and condemns them with confidence if they do not. A prig is wise beyond his years in all things that do not matter. A prig cracks nuts with a steamhammer: that is, calls in the first principles of morality to decide whether he may, or must, do something of as little importance as drinking a glass of beer. On the whole, one may, perhaps, say that all his different characteristics come from the combination, in varying proportions, of three things—the desire to do his duty, the belief that he knows better than other people, and blindness to the difference in value between different things.
The character of the prig was encapsulated in Charles Dickens portrait of the day-nurse Betsy Prig—capable of a "rapid change from banter to ferocity" but always referred to by night-nurse Sarah Gamp as "the best of creeturs"—in his novel Martin Chuzzlewit:
The best among us have their failings, and it must be conceded of
Mrs Prig, that if there were a blemish in the goodness of her disposition, it
was a habit she had of not bestowing all its sharp and acid properties upon her
patients (as a thoroughly amiable woman would have done), but of keeping a
considerable remainder for the service of her friends. Highly pickled salmon,
and lettuces chopped up in vinegar, may, as viands possessing some acidity of
their own, have encouraged and increased this failing in Mrs Prig; and every
application to the teapot certainly did; for it was often remarked of her by her
friends, that she was most contradictory when most elevated. It is certain that
her countenance became about this time derisive and defiant, and that she sat
with her arms folded, and one eye shut up, in a somewhat offensive, because
obstrusively [sic?] intelligent, manner.
A prig is a believer in red tape; that is, he exalts the method above the work done. A prig, like the Pharisee, says: "God, I thank thee that I am not as other men are"—except that he often substitutes Self for God. A prig is one who works out his paltry accounts to the last farthing, while his millionaire neighbour lets accounts take care of themselves. A prig expects others to square themselves to his very inadequate measuring rod, and condemns them with confidence if they do not. A prig is wise beyond his years in all things that do not matter. A prig cracks nuts with a steamhammer: that is, calls in the first principles of morality to decide whether he may, or must, do something of as little importance as drinking a glass of beer. On the whole, one may, perhaps, say that all his different characteristics come from the combination, in varying proportions, of three things—the desire to do his duty, the belief that he knows better than other people, and blindness to the difference in value between different things.
The character of the prig was encapsulated in Charles Dickens portrait of the day-nurse Betsy Prig—capable of a "rapid change from banter to ferocity" but always referred to by night-nurse Sarah Gamp as "the best of creeturs"—in his novel Martin Chuzzlewit:
The best among us have their failings, and it must be conceded of
Mrs Prig, that if there were a blemish in the goodness of her disposition, it
was a habit she had of not bestowing all its sharp and acid properties upon her
patients (as a thoroughly amiable woman would have done), but of keeping a
considerable remainder for the service of her friends. Highly pickled salmon,
and lettuces chopped up in vinegar, may, as viands possessing some acidity of
their own, have encouraged and increased this failing in Mrs Prig; and every
application to the teapot certainly did; for it was often remarked of her by her
friends, that she was most contradictory when most elevated. It is certain that
her countenance became about this time derisive and defiant, and that she sat
with her arms folded, and one eye shut up, in a somewhat offensive, because
obstrusively [sic?] intelligent, manner.
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Sorry to hear you’re leaving the game, I enjoyed the verbal jousting. Nice use of the English language though, I haven’t seen, or heard, anyone use the word “Prig” in a very long time, most people use much coarser terms these days. It was good of Oleo to include that explanation of the meaning of the word for those unfamiliar with it, but I probably would have gone for this definition from the online Urban Dictionary that includes a little Dickens as well,
"prig
Noun:
1. A person who demonstrates an exaggerated conformity or propriety, especially in an irritatingly arrogant or smug manner.
2. Chiefly British: A petty thief or pickpocket.
3. A person regarded as arrogant and annoying
4. Archaic: A conceited dandy; a fop.
Verb:
prigged, prig•ging, prigs Chiefly British
To steal or pilfer.
Synonym:
"If father was determined to make me either a Prig or a Mule, and I am not a Prig, why, it stands to reason, I must be a Mule." -Charles Dickens"
a bit more concise I think, but that’s probably my supposed priggishness.
I don’t think that I questioned Oleos professionalism, if I did, or you think I did, it was unintentional, sorry, as I thought I was merely questioning his opinion and his statement on the level of JetGo’s AOC, but it’s good to see that you defend others from perceived slights. It’s pity that you don’t see that could also be the case with some other comments on this thread.
My oleo is extended
Thanks for the welcome back; it was an enjoyable few days away.
Sorry if my comments and questions on JetGo’s AOC were too waffly for you, but I’m genuinely interested as to why you claim it’s merely “an entry level AOC”, when it appears to me to be not terribly common for an AOC holder to have the privileges that JetGo are rumoured to be about to enjoy and searching CASA’s website for any mention of “an entry level AOC”, doesn’t seem to yield any results. Is that clear enough for you? If so, in those famous words, “Please explain”, if you would be so good, why is it so?
Also, I’m glad to hear that you’ve learned to master your drool, me too, but it took a while in my case, slow learner I suppose, and glad to hear that you don’t find blokes attractive either, I actually didn’t think you would. I’ve just had a thought, terrible as it is to me and probably to you too, that we’ve perhaps got some things in common. That is a horrible thought, two aviation types who appear to hold opposing views possibly having the same, or similar, experiences.
Shock and horror, the end of the World is neigh! Oh, please don’t mistake that for an attempt to, as the Americans say, “Buddy up”, it’s not, it’s just a random thought.
The thing with the rush to prescribe pharmaceuticals to anyone you doesn’t agree with you is interesting though. Not enjoying the “Coffee houses” in Holland a bit too much and thinking you’re a Doctor, as well as being an AOC guru, are you? You want to stay off that weed mate; it’s not quite as benign as many believe from what I’ve seen and read; feel free to disagree if you will of course. We wouldn’t want either an emotionally unstable, or a self medicating pilot, at the controls, now would we? No, I know you wouldn’t be as unprofessional as to fly under the influence, so no problem for you there, only me supposedly.
Regarding the “no hard feelings or 'emotional scarring'”, none taken by me for any of the shots you and flying-spike are having at me, as I trust is the same with my questioning of your opinions and statements, although Spike seems to want to take his bat and ball and go home, pity, he was fun to play with, however neither of you seems to be getting the intended humour, again, pity. Perhaps I should use more emoticons to help you out but Spike told me previously they were juvenile. You’ll both have to try a lot harder if it’s personal animosity or, physiological damage, that you’re trying to achieve but I don’t actually think that you are, are you?
So, Oleo, yea of the AOC expertise, will you be so good as to explain your comments about JetGo’s AOC, or are questions from an emotionally scarred prig, who doesn’t really feel the need to team with anyone (see the arrogance part of the “Prig” definition) to get a rise out of you, Spike and others beneath your contempt?
I’m awaiting your next post with genuine interest; please educate me, and possibly others, who aren’t that familiar with the AOC issuance process or the various levels of AOC.
The Caveman
To steal another quote, “The victim of a bored God”, or a God awful bore, one or the other. I’ve got a feeling I know which of those options you and Spike will opt for Oleo.
Sorry to hear you’re leaving the game, I enjoyed the verbal jousting. Nice use of the English language though, I haven’t seen, or heard, anyone use the word “Prig” in a very long time, most people use much coarser terms these days. It was good of Oleo to include that explanation of the meaning of the word for those unfamiliar with it, but I probably would have gone for this definition from the online Urban Dictionary that includes a little Dickens as well,
"prig
Noun:
1. A person who demonstrates an exaggerated conformity or propriety, especially in an irritatingly arrogant or smug manner.
2. Chiefly British: A petty thief or pickpocket.
3. A person regarded as arrogant and annoying
4. Archaic: A conceited dandy; a fop.
Verb:
prigged, prig•ging, prigs Chiefly British
To steal or pilfer.
Synonym:
"If father was determined to make me either a Prig or a Mule, and I am not a Prig, why, it stands to reason, I must be a Mule." -Charles Dickens"
a bit more concise I think, but that’s probably my supposed priggishness.
I don’t think that I questioned Oleos professionalism, if I did, or you think I did, it was unintentional, sorry, as I thought I was merely questioning his opinion and his statement on the level of JetGo’s AOC, but it’s good to see that you defend others from perceived slights. It’s pity that you don’t see that could also be the case with some other comments on this thread.
My oleo is extended
Thanks for the welcome back; it was an enjoyable few days away.
Sorry if my comments and questions on JetGo’s AOC were too waffly for you, but I’m genuinely interested as to why you claim it’s merely “an entry level AOC”, when it appears to me to be not terribly common for an AOC holder to have the privileges that JetGo are rumoured to be about to enjoy and searching CASA’s website for any mention of “an entry level AOC”, doesn’t seem to yield any results. Is that clear enough for you? If so, in those famous words, “Please explain”, if you would be so good, why is it so?
Also, I’m glad to hear that you’ve learned to master your drool, me too, but it took a while in my case, slow learner I suppose, and glad to hear that you don’t find blokes attractive either, I actually didn’t think you would. I’ve just had a thought, terrible as it is to me and probably to you too, that we’ve perhaps got some things in common. That is a horrible thought, two aviation types who appear to hold opposing views possibly having the same, or similar, experiences.
Shock and horror, the end of the World is neigh! Oh, please don’t mistake that for an attempt to, as the Americans say, “Buddy up”, it’s not, it’s just a random thought.The thing with the rush to prescribe pharmaceuticals to anyone you doesn’t agree with you is interesting though. Not enjoying the “Coffee houses” in Holland a bit too much and thinking you’re a Doctor, as well as being an AOC guru, are you? You want to stay off that weed mate; it’s not quite as benign as many believe from what I’ve seen and read; feel free to disagree if you will of course. We wouldn’t want either an emotionally unstable, or a self medicating pilot, at the controls, now would we? No, I know you wouldn’t be as unprofessional as to fly under the influence, so no problem for you there, only me supposedly.
Regarding the “no hard feelings or 'emotional scarring'”, none taken by me for any of the shots you and flying-spike are having at me, as I trust is the same with my questioning of your opinions and statements, although Spike seems to want to take his bat and ball and go home, pity, he was fun to play with, however neither of you seems to be getting the intended humour, again, pity. Perhaps I should use more emoticons to help you out but Spike told me previously they were juvenile. You’ll both have to try a lot harder if it’s personal animosity or, physiological damage, that you’re trying to achieve but I don’t actually think that you are, are you?
So, Oleo, yea of the AOC expertise, will you be so good as to explain your comments about JetGo’s AOC, or are questions from an emotionally scarred prig, who doesn’t really feel the need to team with anyone (see the arrogance part of the “Prig” definition) to get a rise out of you, Spike and others beneath your contempt?
I’m awaiting your next post with genuine interest; please educate me, and possibly others, who aren’t that familiar with the AOC issuance process or the various levels of AOC.
The Caveman
To steal another quote, “The victim of a bored God”, or a God awful bore, one or the other. I’ve got a feeling I know which of those options you and Spike will opt for Oleo.
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That was the post of the year
Funny I was enjoying this game from the sidelines, and I seriously was enjoying a slanging match that so far was containing some intellectual humour and banter, maybe some other stuff too, but otherwise was relatively civil.
The fact it had not caused the thread to be locked was impressive in the least.
This thread has been awesome to watch..........and finally I have been drawn in, and that post alone got me!
Back to normal viewing gents!
That was the post of the year
Funny I was enjoying this game from the sidelines, and I seriously was enjoying a slanging match that so far was containing some intellectual humour and banter, maybe some other stuff too, but otherwise was relatively civil.
The fact it had not caused the thread to be locked was impressive in the least.
This thread has been awesome to watch..........and finally I have been drawn in, and that post alone got me!
Back to normal viewing gents!
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A suggestion if I may?
Most definitely some interesting sparring taking place.
In line with JetGo managements suggestion of 'getting a room' may I suggest the following contests take place in said room:
1. Nude pick-up coins - Caveman, Oleo an Spike each get 15 minutes to pick up coins with their asscheeks and drop the coins into a bucket. Winner takes all.
2. Genital puppetry - Each individual gets 2 minutes in which to make a creative idea using just his 'ol fella'. You can make a shape, a characterization of someone famous, a boat or perhaps a famous landmark. But beware, this game can get ugly, especially when people start replicating notable politicians and airline executives.
3. Nude Twister. An oldy but a goody. Each player is nude and armed with only 1 litter of baby oil and their spotty white arse. The winner is the first person to make 10 moves on the mat without being 'turkey slapped' by an opponent (either accidentally or deliberately).
4. SMS cage match - The three of you wearing nothing but you own body hair are locked in a cage, each with your own organizations SMS. You will be put to the test by a CASA inspector who will throw a plethora of safety related questions at you in a robust manner. The first person to answer 20 consecutive questions correctly about the regulatory reform program wins that round.
5. A game called 'Cockpit Gradient' - The three of you get to pilot an old 1950's ****box Antonov freighter, together, nude. You plot a course taking you from W.A through Africa, India, China and finally Hobart. The winner no doubt will be the man with the largest ego, largest 'beef bayonet' and the greatest will to survive. A true test of strength and courage on possibly three of the most frightening frigging pilots currently flying in Australia!
Now, I'm outa here, time for some CRM/HF training.
In line with JetGo managements suggestion of 'getting a room' may I suggest the following contests take place in said room:
1. Nude pick-up coins - Caveman, Oleo an Spike each get 15 minutes to pick up coins with their asscheeks and drop the coins into a bucket. Winner takes all.
2. Genital puppetry - Each individual gets 2 minutes in which to make a creative idea using just his 'ol fella'. You can make a shape, a characterization of someone famous, a boat or perhaps a famous landmark. But beware, this game can get ugly, especially when people start replicating notable politicians and airline executives.
3. Nude Twister. An oldy but a goody. Each player is nude and armed with only 1 litter of baby oil and their spotty white arse. The winner is the first person to make 10 moves on the mat without being 'turkey slapped' by an opponent (either accidentally or deliberately).
4. SMS cage match - The three of you wearing nothing but you own body hair are locked in a cage, each with your own organizations SMS. You will be put to the test by a CASA inspector who will throw a plethora of safety related questions at you in a robust manner. The first person to answer 20 consecutive questions correctly about the regulatory reform program wins that round.
5. A game called 'Cockpit Gradient' - The three of you get to pilot an old 1950's ****box Antonov freighter, together, nude. You plot a course taking you from W.A through Africa, India, China and finally Hobart. The winner no doubt will be the man with the largest ego, largest 'beef bayonet' and the greatest will to survive. A true test of strength and courage on possibly three of the most frightening frigging pilots currently flying in Australia!
Now, I'm outa here, time for some CRM/HF training.
