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My remarks are aimed at those that spruke that an AOC is required for the operations thus far, those that would pretend to know what is required for a start up. They are the type who would flounder. The remarks not aimed at JetGo who are obviously doing what is needed.
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If JetGo are looking for respect why don't they reveal a little about themselves and their background? If you are relying on JR as your only front man can you seriously expect respect?
At this point in time they have no AOC, no clients and only JR as a front man. Some of us may know they have progressed a little further, but why would anyone else?
In all seriousness, you don't help yourself crapping on about aircraft 2, 3 & 4 in these circumstances. Your competition aren't dickheads either, I don't know anyone in the 30+ seat market in QLD that I would be so cocky about taking on.
I guess I am about to be threatened with libel now....
At this point in time they have no AOC, no clients and only JR as a front man. Some of us may know they have progressed a little further, but why would anyone else?
In all seriousness, you don't help yourself crapping on about aircraft 2, 3 & 4 in these circumstances. Your competition aren't dickheads either, I don't know anyone in the 30+ seat market in QLD that I would be so cocky about taking on.
I guess I am about to be threatened with libel now....
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"there may be some non clowns on this site"
Well now....THAT is a truly wonderous case of wishful thinking!!!
I for one would love to see Jetgo prosper....and why not? The naysayers however here seem to be quite sure of the accuracy of their statements and good for them. I didn't realise there were so many aviation experts in this industry and in particular experts who have a detailed working knowledge of a start ups finances, business plan and client base?!?!!? On top of that they have the power of foreseeing the future...goodness!!
WOW....I'm gunna get me some of these experts together and take over an airline...Qantas looks like a likley target...or maybe Jetstar...perhaps they could even help restart Ansett!!! Whooowee...think of the cash that wiil start flowing in once I have these boys onboard. Of coarse the vast majority of that cash will go to the people that truly have earnt it...the pilots of course. Those steely eyed men .....and women with the right stuff who as we all know alone possess the intellectual power to ensure that the enterprise will become an instant success due no doubt to their superiour skills in....well....thats where I get a little lost however....no matter, press on. Please come work for me oh high priests of all things aviation...I like a lot of others with dreams of making a fortune in this industry need you now!!!
Clowns indeed!
Well now....THAT is a truly wonderous case of wishful thinking!!!
I for one would love to see Jetgo prosper....and why not? The naysayers however here seem to be quite sure of the accuracy of their statements and good for them. I didn't realise there were so many aviation experts in this industry and in particular experts who have a detailed working knowledge of a start ups finances, business plan and client base?!?!!? On top of that they have the power of foreseeing the future...goodness!!
WOW....I'm gunna get me some of these experts together and take over an airline...Qantas looks like a likley target...or maybe Jetstar...perhaps they could even help restart Ansett!!! Whooowee...think of the cash that wiil start flowing in once I have these boys onboard. Of coarse the vast majority of that cash will go to the people that truly have earnt it...the pilots of course. Those steely eyed men .....and women with the right stuff who as we all know alone possess the intellectual power to ensure that the enterprise will become an instant success due no doubt to their superiour skills in....well....thats where I get a little lost however....no matter, press on. Please come work for me oh high priests of all things aviation...I like a lot of others with dreams of making a fortune in this industry need you now!!!
Clowns indeed!
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Tissue for GADRVR please!
Seems like GADRVR certainly has some emotional issues of some sort?
Yet again it would appear that unless all the posts are positive and backslapping good then some posters cannot emotionally handle criticism?
This thread actually contains a combination of positive and negative comments, some assclownery an yet some pretty savvy experienced comments.
Why can't the good and the bad be accepted by both sides?
And GADRVR there are actually some people who post on prune the are not just pilots and engineers only. There are actually experienced aviation managers, technical experts, successful business people, legal aviators, industry developers, regulatory experienced people and a host of highly skilled individuals, so some of the posts may just turn out to be well and truly in the money.....not everybody has the ability to think outside the box.
Yet again it would appear that unless all the posts are positive and backslapping good then some posters cannot emotionally handle criticism?
This thread actually contains a combination of positive and negative comments, some assclownery an yet some pretty savvy experienced comments.
Why can't the good and the bad be accepted by both sides?
And GADRVR there are actually some people who post on prune the are not just pilots and engineers only. There are actually experienced aviation managers, technical experts, successful business people, legal aviators, industry developers, regulatory experienced people and a host of highly skilled individuals, so some of the posts may just turn out to be well and truly in the money.....not everybody has the ability to think outside the box.
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Yep...you got it in one. I'm emotionally unstable!!
Just a quickie;
"Why can't the good and the bad be accepted by both sides?"
Because the "bad " exhibited here is generally laughable, more than likely libelous and generally off the money.
As for your host of highly skilled odds and sods posting on Pprune...that may well be true however I'd hazard the suggestion that perhaps they are found in other forums.
Now if you'll excuse me, it's time to take the medicine I so obviously need to settle down some.
Cheers,
Drivr
Just a quickie;
"Why can't the good and the bad be accepted by both sides?"
Because the "bad " exhibited here is generally laughable, more than likely libelous and generally off the money.
As for your host of highly skilled odds and sods posting on Pprune...that may well be true however I'd hazard the suggestion that perhaps they are found in other forums.
Now if you'll excuse me, it's time to take the medicine I so obviously need to settle down some.
Cheers,
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The naysayers however here seem to be quite sure of the accuracy of their statements and good for them. I didn't realise there were so many aviation experts in this industry and in particular experts who have a detailed working knowledge of a start ups finances, business plan and client base?!?!!?
Yep...you got it in one. I'm emotionally unstable!!
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Hi Barry, Been a busy few weeks! We having our final proving flight next week with CASA. Fingers crossed all goes well.. We were a little held up with Maintenance systems of all things, but fixed now. Crew and Training all signed off, So all going well we hope to be operational in about 2 weeks from now. Its been a long and trying process, and we are fortunate to be working with great people, both within our own organisation and contractors alike. Additionally, CASA have been very pro-active in helping us along the way.. Thanks all for the support along the way, we hope to be in the air soon,
We are stoked to be able to offer more jobs for aviators like ourselves within the industry...
We are stoked to be able to offer more jobs for aviators like ourselves within the industry...
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Hope all goes well for the proving flight but unfortunately did not as the F/A couldn't close the door of which in turn meant an engineer had to be flown up from YSSY. Any updates, and toll doing your engineering?
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Yes Falconx you are correct... Murphy's Law and Aviation! Turns out the door was slightly out of alignment and required engineering to adjust and lubricate it .. Our first sector was completed with flying colours, thanks to all the volunteer students from Air Acadamy Australia for being good sports. Sorry we didnt get to finish the ride!.
All planned again for next week to finish off what we didn't complete. Those whom want to come along again for a free lunch and a ride please PM me..
As for TOLL, we were simply hiring their hangar for the day. We utilize the guys at Execujet for all our MX, they do a great job and offer top service.
Thanks for the interest and support guys. As for the above post re terms and conditions, please PM me
All planned again for next week to finish off what we didn't complete. Those whom want to come along again for a free lunch and a ride please PM me..
As for TOLL, we were simply hiring their hangar for the day. We utilize the guys at Execujet for all our MX, they do a great job and offer top service.
Thanks for the interest and support guys. As for the above post re terms and conditions, please PM me
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Re: Jetgo E135
by lloyd fox » Tue Apr 24, 2012 1:22 pm
First of all Eddie i missed you today, but i spoke to the lady at Adagold who said you were in earlier.
The flight on JetGo was good with a few drills .Went north to Taroom and west to Oakey and then in on RWY 19.
70 MINS IN THE AIR.
Very Thankful to Arron and Jason for the opportunity.
David and me had a great flight.
by lloyd fox » Tue Apr 24, 2012 1:22 pm First of all Eddie i missed you today, but i spoke to the lady at Adagold who said you were in earlier.
The flight on JetGo was good with a few drills .Went north to Taroom and west to Oakey and then in on RWY 19.
70 MINS IN THE AIR.
Very Thankful to Arron and Jason for the opportunity.
David and me had a great flight.
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I saw a strange site at the airport today, several people walking around with egg on their faces and I wondered what had happened. Then I remembered:
“Has anybody heard yet whether this BARS accredited outfit has received its AOC yet?” Cactusjack, Post#81, 22 Feb 2012
Yes, they’ve completed all the CASA checks, been issued with their AOC, just waiting for CASA to finish the paperwork (i.e. type the bloody thing out) and it’s all go for operations to start. I believe the BARS accreditation is their next task, which should be a relative doddle as our PPRuNe experts seem think it’s a crap accreditation.
“I assure you that they will not be operating under their own HC AOC in Q1 of this year CASA dont move that quick”. Bizzybody, post #20, 16 Jan 2012
Apparently they (CASA) can, if you’ve been working on an AOC for a year or more, and that just doesn’t mean the time the application has been with CASA, but I suppose they (JetGo) just didn’t feel it was necessary to tell everybody of their plans. Three weeks after the end of Q1 2012 to be sure, but damned close. Or about right if you’re working with, or more likely against, a government department. As the saying goes, “Close enough for Government work”; or is it all a failure in the eyes of all our self proclaimed resident experts because of a few days delay in getting the AOC issued? Let’s be fair, getting an AOC off CASA isn’t that bloody easy. Well done, and now if it all does go to the wall, at least you’ll have an asset for the receivers to help payout the liabilities.
“If their SMS is based solely on BARS then you can expect CASA to 'snicker in the corner and hold back the laughter' when they reveiw your SMS” Cactus Jack, post #33, 24 Jan 2012
I suppose that CASA must have been satisfied with their SMS, as apparently there was no snickering to be heard; it complied with CASA’s requirements. Who’d have thought that JetGo might be able to get that organised? They did apparently and got it done to CASA’s satisfaction.
“Had a look at their website and it is full of promise. No aircraft, No Pilots, No AOC, everything is promised.” flying-spike, Post #34, 24 Jan 2012
Not only promised but delivered, and if the rumours I’m hearing are correct, on time (give or take a couple of days) and on budget as well, who’d have thought it possible. Not these posters obviously:
“I smell a rat...If it is who I think it is, then he really needs to have the butterfly net sent after him!” Fuel-Off, post#8, 24 Nov 2011
“This is all sounds like a windup” Megle2, Post#53, 28 Jan 2012
“If this isn't a windup, what's the bet that the individual with the initials D.C., ex Skyairworld is involved?” flying-spike, Post#54, 28 Jan 2012
“And finaly, as for BARS being JetGo's benchmark, what can is say but 'oh dear'. To date this new start company has a lot of blowflies hanging around it.” My oleo is extended, Post#55, 28 Jan 2012
I reckon the blowflies that you’re hearing are probably those attracted to the egg on your faces, or maybe by the stink of the some of the bull**** that’s been spouted, as alleged “expert” advice and opinion on this thread.
“……………Obviously enthusiasm is filling the knowledge and experience void. A dangerous precondition for a start up.” flying-spike, Post#116, 29 Mar 2012
“Really, Spike, that’s just a downright insult to the experience and professionalism of the crews flying the aircraft and the guys setting up JetGo. You might get away with questioning the advisability of establishing the operation, which is a fair question, but to infer these guys are setting up a dangerous operation is really bad form.” CaptCaveman, post#118, 30 Mar 2012
Again, I know it’s arrogance quoting myself, but again, I can’t arsed rephrasing it or retyping it. You still really do need to apologise for that one Spike, as your attempted correction and justification was piss weak!
“….I offer you the following quote from the Nobel Prize winning physicist and father of quantum mechanics and it's uncertainty principle, Dr. Werner Heisenberg - "An expert is someone who knows some of the worst mistakes that can be made in his subject, and how to avoid them." The Oracle, Post#94, 25 Mar 2012
Could it be that these guys are well aware of the mistakes made by others and have avoided them; so far at least? Who’d have thought that it would be possible for anybody but the self proclaimed oracles of PPRuNe to know anything about aviation?
“I know their leased aircraft is in town. I know they took Photos of an all white plane claiming to be theirs. I know that it's also not their money, I know it's not their balls on the line and I know their application has not been in with CASA for over a year. I know a lot more about AM and JR's little operation than you think.” Bizzybody, Post#99, 25 Mar 2012
Apparently not mate, apparently you know sweet FA. I note you haven’t backed up your claims as you’ve been challenged to do; inability, or maybe a testicular problem, had yours cut off perhaps? And in case you hadn’t noticed, there are now plenty of photos of the aircraft in JetGo Australia colours, and were even when you posted that comment, or haven’t you picked up on that yet?
“Given that Alliance OWN all their aircraft outright and have a pretty firm grip on the resources market at the moment for those who want jets, I'm struggling why anyone would think they can really compete with them” Morno, Post#89, 09 Mar 2012
Well, that’s a fair question but then again, established businesses everywhere have been challenged by start-ups since the world of commerce and industry began, and it’ll go on until commerce and industry is finished. Which in Australia’s case, will be very soon, if we go on as we’re going for a few more years without individuals backing themselves, and their ideas, but instead listening to the self proclaimed experts telling them it can’t be done, or that they can’t compete.
“I can see this failing, Ozjet, Sky, Strategic, Air Australia” Engineer aus, Post#88, 09 Mar 2012
Not quite the same is it? From memory; Ozjet, initially a Business class only operation between the big cities, then changed all that when it didn’t quite work; Sky, don’t know, wasn’t around at the time; Strategic/Air Australia, initially a government contract but then international RPT. JetGo Australia, FIFO and charter, not quite the same surely? Will they succeed or will they fail, who knows? I don’t.
“Why apply for a job with a company that has such an obviously unsustainable business plan?” The Oracle, Post#51, 28 Jan 2012
Is it unsustainable? You’ve made statements about their supposed plan and what you think they’re doing but do you actually know what it is, or how they’re planning on executing it? Are you on the inside, have you got the good oil, the straight gen, are you directly involved with the JetGo management, are you an investor? If not, then you’re just speculating, or are you like Bizzybody, and making statements that you can’t seem to actually back up? If you are on the inside, then you seem to be acting against your own interests.
Oracle, you do seem to have made plenty of good points regarding the relative merits of turboprops versus jets in this type of operation but it doesn’t appear as though you, and others, have grasped that they’ve seen an opportunity, a niche as it were,
“Not every customer needs 100 seats, nor do they want to go 400 miles.” Twotbags, Post#96, 25 Mar 2012
and are having a red hot go at filling it, whilst providing employment opportunities in the aviation industry. Does this happen? That a company, or person, finds an unexploited niche in a highly competitive industry and succeeds? Yes, there’s lots of very rich people in this world that have done just that; my current employer, did just that and has been raking the money in for years, which provides me with a very nice aircraft to operate, other people are trying to copy him, and his ideas, but not quite succeeding, and I’m bloody glad that they’re not succeeding because I love my current ride. Conversely, there are plenty of people that have done their dough when the niche hasn’t been there after all. Will that be the case for JetGo? Who knows, not me, and probably not you and the resident PPRuNe experts.
As the man on TV used to say “You’ve got to be in it, to win it”, so apply for a job or not, its “big boy’s rules” in this life, you have to make your own decisions and live with them, however things turn out. If you want an iron clad, guaranteed job for life that’ll bore the sh!t out of most aviation professionals, join the Public (dis)Service (RAAF sharps & the military helicopter operators excepted, as that’s the fun side of government employment), but now, these days, even the BS PS isn’t a dead cert.
“.....not everybody has the ability to think outside the box.” My oleo is extended, post#126, 01 Apr 2012
Very true. Can JetGo be thinking outside the school of conventional aviation thought? Maybe they are and that’s why there are so many doubters expressing their view on this thread but just because it’s not your particular way of thinking doesn’t mean it’s wrong. Is it wrong to believe that their business plan might work where others have failed? Just because another company failed using Jungle Jets doesn’t mean another can’t succeed, does it? There are plenty of instances in aviation where a particular idea hasn’t been as successful as originally hoped but later succeeded, e.g. Northrop’s “Flying Wing” in the 40/50’s and the B2 bomber.
Now waiting with bated breathe for the negative comments to come pouring in from the usual suspects, those who can’t see that not everyone sees the World and aviation as they see it, and that there are opportunities in this World for those with balls enough to back themselves; or those who don’t believe what JetGo believe, so therefore JetGo must be wrong, as they couldn’t possibly be wrong; or those who claim to be worried that it’ll all fail, and the World will end for those poor unfortunate souls that have, or will take, a punt by accepting a job with JetGo, just like it supposedly did for them when they were in a failed company; personally, been there, done that, got through it as they did, and anyone else will, if JetGo finishes tits up.
JetGo Management, investors and staff: Bon Chance, Mon Amis, Bon Chance! (A tip of my hat to this comment)
“When I read the publicity I hear an African-French accent. Pourquoi?” Horatio Leafblower, post #66, 01 Feb 2012
Again, apparently not; no, just a couple of Aussie blokes having a crack. One with a Shire accent and the other with a Queensland one, eh mate.
"There are those that make things happen;
those that watch things happen;
and those that wonder what happened... which one are you? ", Chocks Away (on a different thread)
Will it be me with the egg on my face if, or when, they fail? Who knows, however, I’d rather have that happen after I believed in giving some one the benefit of the doubt when they’re having a go and backing their ideas, rather than after knocking them and subsequently being proved wrong when they succeed.
As always, there’s two ways of looking at everything:
“Oddball: Why don't you knock it off with them negative waves? Why don't you dig how beautiful it is out here? Why don't you say something righteous and hopeful for a change?
Moriarty: Crap!” Kelly’s Heroes, 1970
Which way do you look at the World?
The Caveman
My glass is half full and as always, it’s your shout mate!
(N.B. All quotes, with their spelling and grammar errors, lifted directly from the posts identified and hopefully in correct APA style; just for you Spikey)
“Has anybody heard yet whether this BARS accredited outfit has received its AOC yet?” Cactusjack, Post#81, 22 Feb 2012
Yes, they’ve completed all the CASA checks, been issued with their AOC, just waiting for CASA to finish the paperwork (i.e. type the bloody thing out) and it’s all go for operations to start. I believe the BARS accreditation is their next task, which should be a relative doddle as our PPRuNe experts seem think it’s a crap accreditation.
“I assure you that they will not be operating under their own HC AOC in Q1 of this year CASA dont move that quick”. Bizzybody, post #20, 16 Jan 2012
Apparently they (CASA) can, if you’ve been working on an AOC for a year or more, and that just doesn’t mean the time the application has been with CASA, but I suppose they (JetGo) just didn’t feel it was necessary to tell everybody of their plans. Three weeks after the end of Q1 2012 to be sure, but damned close. Or about right if you’re working with, or more likely against, a government department. As the saying goes, “Close enough for Government work”; or is it all a failure in the eyes of all our self proclaimed resident experts because of a few days delay in getting the AOC issued? Let’s be fair, getting an AOC off CASA isn’t that bloody easy. Well done, and now if it all does go to the wall, at least you’ll have an asset for the receivers to help payout the liabilities.
“If their SMS is based solely on BARS then you can expect CASA to 'snicker in the corner and hold back the laughter' when they reveiw your SMS” Cactus Jack, post #33, 24 Jan 2012
I suppose that CASA must have been satisfied with their SMS, as apparently there was no snickering to be heard; it complied with CASA’s requirements. Who’d have thought that JetGo might be able to get that organised? They did apparently and got it done to CASA’s satisfaction.
“Had a look at their website and it is full of promise. No aircraft, No Pilots, No AOC, everything is promised.” flying-spike, Post #34, 24 Jan 2012
Not only promised but delivered, and if the rumours I’m hearing are correct, on time (give or take a couple of days) and on budget as well, who’d have thought it possible. Not these posters obviously:
“I smell a rat...If it is who I think it is, then he really needs to have the butterfly net sent after him!” Fuel-Off, post#8, 24 Nov 2011
“This is all sounds like a windup” Megle2, Post#53, 28 Jan 2012
“If this isn't a windup, what's the bet that the individual with the initials D.C., ex Skyairworld is involved?” flying-spike, Post#54, 28 Jan 2012
“And finaly, as for BARS being JetGo's benchmark, what can is say but 'oh dear'. To date this new start company has a lot of blowflies hanging around it.” My oleo is extended, Post#55, 28 Jan 2012
I reckon the blowflies that you’re hearing are probably those attracted to the egg on your faces, or maybe by the stink of the some of the bull**** that’s been spouted, as alleged “expert” advice and opinion on this thread.
“……………Obviously enthusiasm is filling the knowledge and experience void. A dangerous precondition for a start up.” flying-spike, Post#116, 29 Mar 2012
“Really, Spike, that’s just a downright insult to the experience and professionalism of the crews flying the aircraft and the guys setting up JetGo. You might get away with questioning the advisability of establishing the operation, which is a fair question, but to infer these guys are setting up a dangerous operation is really bad form.” CaptCaveman, post#118, 30 Mar 2012
Again, I know it’s arrogance quoting myself, but again, I can’t arsed rephrasing it or retyping it. You still really do need to apologise for that one Spike, as your attempted correction and justification was piss weak!
“….I offer you the following quote from the Nobel Prize winning physicist and father of quantum mechanics and it's uncertainty principle, Dr. Werner Heisenberg - "An expert is someone who knows some of the worst mistakes that can be made in his subject, and how to avoid them." The Oracle, Post#94, 25 Mar 2012
Could it be that these guys are well aware of the mistakes made by others and have avoided them; so far at least? Who’d have thought that it would be possible for anybody but the self proclaimed oracles of PPRuNe to know anything about aviation?
“I know their leased aircraft is in town. I know they took Photos of an all white plane claiming to be theirs. I know that it's also not their money, I know it's not their balls on the line and I know their application has not been in with CASA for over a year. I know a lot more about AM and JR's little operation than you think.” Bizzybody, Post#99, 25 Mar 2012
Apparently not mate, apparently you know sweet FA. I note you haven’t backed up your claims as you’ve been challenged to do; inability, or maybe a testicular problem, had yours cut off perhaps? And in case you hadn’t noticed, there are now plenty of photos of the aircraft in JetGo Australia colours, and were even when you posted that comment, or haven’t you picked up on that yet?
“Given that Alliance OWN all their aircraft outright and have a pretty firm grip on the resources market at the moment for those who want jets, I'm struggling why anyone would think they can really compete with them” Morno, Post#89, 09 Mar 2012
Well, that’s a fair question but then again, established businesses everywhere have been challenged by start-ups since the world of commerce and industry began, and it’ll go on until commerce and industry is finished. Which in Australia’s case, will be very soon, if we go on as we’re going for a few more years without individuals backing themselves, and their ideas, but instead listening to the self proclaimed experts telling them it can’t be done, or that they can’t compete.
“I can see this failing, Ozjet, Sky, Strategic, Air Australia” Engineer aus, Post#88, 09 Mar 2012
Not quite the same is it? From memory; Ozjet, initially a Business class only operation between the big cities, then changed all that when it didn’t quite work; Sky, don’t know, wasn’t around at the time; Strategic/Air Australia, initially a government contract but then international RPT. JetGo Australia, FIFO and charter, not quite the same surely? Will they succeed or will they fail, who knows? I don’t.
“Why apply for a job with a company that has such an obviously unsustainable business plan?” The Oracle, Post#51, 28 Jan 2012
Is it unsustainable? You’ve made statements about their supposed plan and what you think they’re doing but do you actually know what it is, or how they’re planning on executing it? Are you on the inside, have you got the good oil, the straight gen, are you directly involved with the JetGo management, are you an investor? If not, then you’re just speculating, or are you like Bizzybody, and making statements that you can’t seem to actually back up? If you are on the inside, then you seem to be acting against your own interests.
Oracle, you do seem to have made plenty of good points regarding the relative merits of turboprops versus jets in this type of operation but it doesn’t appear as though you, and others, have grasped that they’ve seen an opportunity, a niche as it were,
“Not every customer needs 100 seats, nor do they want to go 400 miles.” Twotbags, Post#96, 25 Mar 2012
and are having a red hot go at filling it, whilst providing employment opportunities in the aviation industry. Does this happen? That a company, or person, finds an unexploited niche in a highly competitive industry and succeeds? Yes, there’s lots of very rich people in this world that have done just that; my current employer, did just that and has been raking the money in for years, which provides me with a very nice aircraft to operate, other people are trying to copy him, and his ideas, but not quite succeeding, and I’m bloody glad that they’re not succeeding because I love my current ride. Conversely, there are plenty of people that have done their dough when the niche hasn’t been there after all. Will that be the case for JetGo? Who knows, not me, and probably not you and the resident PPRuNe experts.
As the man on TV used to say “You’ve got to be in it, to win it”, so apply for a job or not, its “big boy’s rules” in this life, you have to make your own decisions and live with them, however things turn out. If you want an iron clad, guaranteed job for life that’ll bore the sh!t out of most aviation professionals, join the Public (dis)Service (RAAF sharps & the military helicopter operators excepted, as that’s the fun side of government employment), but now, these days, even the BS PS isn’t a dead cert.
“.....not everybody has the ability to think outside the box.” My oleo is extended, post#126, 01 Apr 2012
Very true. Can JetGo be thinking outside the school of conventional aviation thought? Maybe they are and that’s why there are so many doubters expressing their view on this thread but just because it’s not your particular way of thinking doesn’t mean it’s wrong. Is it wrong to believe that their business plan might work where others have failed? Just because another company failed using Jungle Jets doesn’t mean another can’t succeed, does it? There are plenty of instances in aviation where a particular idea hasn’t been as successful as originally hoped but later succeeded, e.g. Northrop’s “Flying Wing” in the 40/50’s and the B2 bomber.
Now waiting with bated breathe for the negative comments to come pouring in from the usual suspects, those who can’t see that not everyone sees the World and aviation as they see it, and that there are opportunities in this World for those with balls enough to back themselves; or those who don’t believe what JetGo believe, so therefore JetGo must be wrong, as they couldn’t possibly be wrong; or those who claim to be worried that it’ll all fail, and the World will end for those poor unfortunate souls that have, or will take, a punt by accepting a job with JetGo, just like it supposedly did for them when they were in a failed company; personally, been there, done that, got through it as they did, and anyone else will, if JetGo finishes tits up.
JetGo Management, investors and staff: Bon Chance, Mon Amis, Bon Chance! (A tip of my hat to this comment)
“When I read the publicity I hear an African-French accent. Pourquoi?” Horatio Leafblower, post #66, 01 Feb 2012
Again, apparently not; no, just a couple of Aussie blokes having a crack. One with a Shire accent and the other with a Queensland one, eh mate.
"There are those that make things happen;
those that watch things happen;
and those that wonder what happened... which one are you? ", Chocks Away (on a different thread)
Will it be me with the egg on my face if, or when, they fail? Who knows, however, I’d rather have that happen after I believed in giving some one the benefit of the doubt when they’re having a go and backing their ideas, rather than after knocking them and subsequently being proved wrong when they succeed.
As always, there’s two ways of looking at everything:
“Oddball: Why don't you knock it off with them negative waves? Why don't you dig how beautiful it is out here? Why don't you say something righteous and hopeful for a change?
Moriarty: Crap!” Kelly’s Heroes, 1970
Which way do you look at the World?
The Caveman
My glass is half full and as always, it’s your shout mate!
(N.B. All quotes, with their spelling and grammar errors, lifted directly from the posts identified and hopefully in correct APA style; just for you Spikey)