Merged: QANTAS/ALAEA EBA
My guess is that QF will submit a new offer to you guys in about five minutes from now....by fax. That will be 4.55pm on Friday evening EST.
It's an old trick to eff up your weekend. Failing that it will be 4.55 pm on a weeknight to get you to work through the night to reply the next day.
Expect more cheese paring and obfuscation.
Good luck!
It's an old trick to eff up your weekend. Failing that it will be 4.55 pm on a weeknight to get you to work through the night to reply the next day.
Expect more cheese paring and obfuscation.
Good luck!
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Stay Cool Brothers
Just adding my voice & support.
Don't get gready. Lets just make sure we get an outcome that is fair to ALL. With a bit of luck we might achieve the added bonus of a few management casulties.
We all know what is needed now. Support your EXEC and follow their lead.
KEEP COOL, WORK SAFE, BE PATIENT.
Don't get gready. Lets just make sure we get an outcome that is fair to ALL. With a bit of luck we might achieve the added bonus of a few management casulties.
We all know what is needed now. Support your EXEC and follow their lead.
KEEP COOL, WORK SAFE, BE PATIENT.
Dont get greedy!
Considering we have only been getting a 3% increase for the past god knows how many yrs,it would have to be someone very shallow or biased in their thinking to even suggest we are greedy(makes us look ok in the public,s eye you would think).Yes-very important not to get greedy now,something FAIR would be nice though.1% super increse for ALL is a good place to start.
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he he he ha!
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Undercut!
What the hell is going on here! Statements like 'lets not be greedy' and who could forget 'lets be reasonable'. You must be lost and are on the wrong thread. Who in there right mind would undertake this crap for the poultry settlements you suggest. Less than an official headline 5% will be a shameful embarrassment given our position. Forgive me if I appear unreasonable, but this line stinks of back peddling trolls attempting to condition us to give mercy if required. Who really cares what it adds up to. Its about more than the money. Its about showing the delusional people running this show that bullies and disrespect have no place at Qantas. The strength and resolve we show now shall determine our futures. To think twice in future before screwing people blind. To tell the truth instead of lies.
Minimum 5% Headline!
Minimum 5% Headline!
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Too right
We gave them MERCY last 2 EBAs when they cried poor with the promise we would reap the benefit of the good times.
1.5 BILLION dollars profit is the good times.
Put the money where your mouth is G.D.
We gave them MERCY last 2 EBAs when they cried poor with the promise we would reap the benefit of the good times.
1.5 BILLION dollars profit is the good times.
Put the money where your mouth is G.D.
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Short Sighted
Spanner Twister! Read your list! You don't get it, do you? Me,me,me! Look a little past the front of your nose. Look as far as is required to see whats best to steer you to retirement. Bending over and being reasonable? Or taking a stand without comprimise? Don't forget, opportunity for the company to stitch a deal along the lines you suggest as reasonable, were dashes when they told you and the rest of us to get stuffed for 18 months! The difference between war and a deal at 5% is some $3.2M. Just less than half of GD's yearly package. Less than half of one man's yearly earnings to send 1600 people and Qantas to the wall. Now tell me whats reasonable! I'm off to be sick!
5% No Less!
5% No Less!
With respect to comments thus far, I would suggest that the best chance of improving the current offer is to stay united, follow the execs directions to the letter and encourage your colleagues to do the same.
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The upcoming OT Bans.
If I could drag the conversation to another direction.
The upcoming OT Bans.
As the DMM’s are ALAEA members, I think it would be unethical for them to ask other ALAEA members to do overtime during protected action.
SO DON'T DO IT !!!!!
If we all stick together we will win.
Just let the chaos happen.
The upcoming OT Bans.
As the DMM’s are ALAEA members, I think it would be unethical for them to ask other ALAEA members to do overtime during protected action.
SO DON'T DO IT !!!!!
If we all stick together we will win.
Just let the chaos happen.
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Bravo Mendareo,you Hit The Nail Square On The Head,this Eba Should Be About % Not Increasing Levels,you Are All F@cking The New People Coming Through With This Lvl Crap
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CONGRATULATIONS, the inaugural act selflessness.
Wow, members now starting to think about some one other than themselves!
That is STRENGTH!
Keep it up, that is what the company fears most and enables 100% outcomes in lieu of 51% ones and further strength in future negs aswell.
That is STRENGTH!
Keep it up, that is what the company fears most and enables 100% outcomes in lieu of 51% ones and further strength in future negs aswell
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Individual Choices
Toolpants you are right the new battle at the moment is the "OVERTIME RESTRICTIONS"
As the Fed Sec has stated in the last ALAEA notice "O/T on a rostered day will be up to the individual"
Does this mean that the ALAEA has no issue with individuals or reps choosing to do O/T on a rostered day????
You know they will hide behind the ALAEA notice and our trolls and sycophants will join the congo line of suckholes behind MH JV and DC.
Sounds likes our "MATES" will once again get the O/T and the payrise.
"DRAW THE LINE IN THE SAND".
The members have endorsed your direction. GO FOR IT!!
Give that bully the blood nose he deserves!!!!
As the Fed Sec has stated in the last ALAEA notice "O/T on a rostered day will be up to the individual"
Does this mean that the ALAEA has no issue with individuals or reps choosing to do O/T on a rostered day????
You know they will hide behind the ALAEA notice and our trolls and sycophants will join the congo line of suckholes behind MH JV and DC.
Sounds likes our "MATES" will once again get the O/T and the payrise.
"DRAW THE LINE IN THE SAND".
The members have endorsed your direction. GO FOR IT!!
Give that bully the blood nose he deserves!!!!
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Spanner Twister
Please accept my apology for not having previously elaborated on my own personal wishes. Its because I was sure somebody else would look after the bits in behind the 5. I was too busy looking at the big picture. You have done very well and I implore you to forward the details to Bexley. In the end, the final document may be twenty pages long, yet its strength, integrity,and message will be determined by one headline number. That's a 5. Please take the time to deeply consider the message for all time. We need change as much as we need money. And the message must be clear. The people make an organisation. So treat them right and they will look after the rest. Qantas has not done that, so now it is time to pay! Take pride. Pride is five. At least I could explain five to my partner as some sort of outcome. Without her turning around and showing me the P-plate driver's little pinky. Embarrassing really.
5%++++
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read between the lines... if they come out and say no overtime at all ever, then if you refuse to do overtime as an association direction as part of our industrial action, you can be docked 4 hours pay for carrying out 'industrial action'. it is up to the individual, personally, i have to pick up the kids from school or my wife parents are arriving at the airport soon are the type of reasons which would make overtime after shift for example, unable to be done.
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What to do?
Too right! SILENCE! You cannot be forced to speak, sit, stand, walk, with a person you find unsavoury, unless it is to carry out the bare minimum required to complete a task. Works absolute wonders on children. Kids say its like a prison with no bars. Lock them up! Get's them in the corner! Accountability! Bring on the loneliness! No rumours, comments, intimidation, harrassment. Just psychological isolation..... The worst pain of all.
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So suddenly this EBA is about the next generation!!!!!!!!!!!!
What a load of crap!!!!!!!!! spread by militants who want to damage QF for the sake of it, and hide behind this crap, i tell you all this is a big mistake and i will not be part of this gang militant mentality who will no doubt call me a troll because i dare raise a dissenting opinion.
If asked i will be doing O/T as the rules state this is ok.
As for any intimidation and crap well please spare me, i really do not give a damm, the only person i do not want intimidating me is my Bank Manager.
What a load of crap!!!!!!!!! spread by militants who want to damage QF for the sake of it, and hide behind this crap, i tell you all this is a big mistake and i will not be part of this gang militant mentality who will no doubt call me a troll because i dare raise a dissenting opinion.
If asked i will be doing O/T as the rules state this is ok.
As for any intimidation and crap well please spare me, i really do not give a damm, the only person i do not want intimidating me is my Bank Manager.
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wingers,thinking about others than yourself is hardly militancy's,i'm sure when our predecessors fought for sick leave,annual leave,longer service,etc,etc.It was for the common good of all.
As for your bank manager i'm sure you have accumulated enough OT money to get through this dispute.
As for your bank manager i'm sure you have accumulated enough OT money to get through this dispute.
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I'd like to see rolling 4hr stop work meetings up and down the coast.
Mel one day, then Syd, Bne next, etc, etc, then go around again 4 days later
and get the other shifts. 4hrs loss of pay and maximum disruptions.
Oh yeah, don't forget to take 5, have a cuppa, take a crap,
then log what parts of the aircraft are disassembled before going to the meetings.
Too bad the meetings might be held at the peak time.
"The horror... the horror,"
Mel one day, then Syd, Bne next, etc, etc, then go around again 4 days later
and get the other shifts. 4hrs loss of pay and maximum disruptions.
Oh yeah, don't forget to take 5, have a cuppa, take a crap,
then log what parts of the aircraft are disassembled before going to the meetings.
Too bad the meetings might be held at the peak time.
"The horror... the horror,"
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Wingers!
Wingers, the supposed militants blinded by visions of truth, justice, and fairness will carry you through. If financial hardship is what shapes your views, and it appears so, I sincerely simpathise. I'm sure you understand the vast majority can not be expected to take responsibility for your situation and tone it down. The exec will look after you! I'm sure you've seen countless movie's with the following story line. 'JUST STAY IN THE CAR SON, DAD'S GOT A JOB TO DO'. You are a member of an organisation, in a situation where its all for one, and one for all. 81% leaves 19% that disagree. 19% that although object, must respect the democratic process and tow the line. This is the Australian Way. The Australian Airline will understand. The country was built on it!
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