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EBA Bargaining, To haggle.
This company has never bargained with our union.
For a company to blatantly tell their workers that all they will ever get from management is 3% is tantamount to a dictatorship,nothing more and nothing less.
There is no bargaining between the company and it's workers based on productivity gains. All we ever get to bargain with the company about is what we can hang on to.
Wonder how many will get grounded today ???
How many millions will be lost today GD ???
Exercise your Authority people,but above all,adhere 100% to GD's PPM and use it to crush the board in to submission.
This company has never bargained with our union.
For a company to blatantly tell their workers that all they will ever get from management is 3% is tantamount to a dictatorship,nothing more and nothing less.
There is no bargaining between the company and it's workers based on productivity gains. All we ever get to bargain with the company about is what we can hang on to.
Wonder how many will get grounded today ???
How many millions will be lost today GD ???
Exercise your Authority people,but above all,adhere 100% to GD's PPM and use it to crush the board in to submission.
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Hello brothers,
No one doing OT will slowly let the work build up and up till the planes are grounded or just run very late.A friend of mine went to book a ticket the other day. There is a recorded msg warning passengers of imminant delays to flights due to industrial action.He bought a ticket on another airline. What a way to run a buisness eh. How long do you think shareholders will allow this before they invest somewhere else.
STAY STRONG,SLOW AND STEADY WINS THE RACE.
DON"T GIVE THEM CAUSE TO VICTIMISE YOU. FOLLOW THE PPM AND MM IN EVERY WAY AND YOU ARE UNTOUCHABLE>
Hers's a tip. If they ask you to do OT after shift.Say yes no worrries mr manager. Then 5 minutes before you start "sorry I feel so fatigued I have to go home now".They can't dock you cause you havn't refused.
my balls MR DIXON. You would spend $170 million to break our strike. Yet it would cost $4 million for 5%. You were all smiles when you thought you had the company sold off for your own profit, and again your arrogance makes you think you can break us now.
No one doing OT will slowly let the work build up and up till the planes are grounded or just run very late.A friend of mine went to book a ticket the other day. There is a recorded msg warning passengers of imminant delays to flights due to industrial action.He bought a ticket on another airline. What a way to run a buisness eh. How long do you think shareholders will allow this before they invest somewhere else.
STAY STRONG,SLOW AND STEADY WINS THE RACE.
DON"T GIVE THEM CAUSE TO VICTIMISE YOU. FOLLOW THE PPM AND MM IN EVERY WAY AND YOU ARE UNTOUCHABLE>
Hers's a tip. If they ask you to do OT after shift.Say yes no worrries mr manager. Then 5 minutes before you start "sorry I feel so fatigued I have to go home now".They can't dock you cause you havn't refused.
my balls MR DIXON. You would spend $170 million to break our strike. Yet it would cost $4 million for 5%. You were all smiles when you thought you had the company sold off for your own profit, and again your arrogance makes you think you can break us now.
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Do you really think the breakers are going to be running around stressed out trying to kick aircraft back out. I very much doubt it. Have met a few people that have signed on, and they are all happily employed elsewhere, they all support your cause, they would just like to get something out of these pricks also..Remember most of them will be ex QF, guys and girls that were thrown to the dogs from QF management..Would you not do the same.
Most have these people would have also looked at QF LAME history and known that they have never worked, they would have wayed up making this decision and after signing on still are, most will not turn up, some will, and they will still be questioning themselves. But for whatever reasons they are there, they will not make a difference, because they wont have the numbers and they dont give a f..k. They might even help your cause...Wouldnt that be funny....
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Most have these people would have also looked at QF LAME history and known that they have never worked, they would have wayed up making this decision and after signing on still are, most will not turn up, some will, and they will still be questioning themselves. But for whatever reasons they are there, they will not make a difference, because they wont have the numbers and they dont give a f..k. They might even help your cause...Wouldnt that be funny....
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The strike breaker I mentioned earlier will definitely help our cause. He will probable drive a piece of equipment into an aircraft like he has done on many occasions before.
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.....Probably ran out of supplies in his shed!!!
The strike breaker I mentioned earlier will definitely help our cause. He will probable drive a piece of equipment into an aircraft like he has done on many occasions before.
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I cannot believe after reading all the posts on here that people are still going against the thing we have set out to protect....ourselves, and ourselves in our job. To bring us up to what we should be getting.....5%....and the recognition we deserve for the job we do in keeping these things in the air with the 300-400 people flying in them. Its not a hard ask is it? But it fkin well seems to be according to the ivory tower people who just stick their are out the window and take a giant sht on us! Mind u there also seems to be the people on the floor also who are doing this to us. (Do we need OH&S to put in a study for a stand for them to get up high enough for this? with railings of course)
Come on Boys & Girls lets stick together and we will win this thing......not that it is a win, it should be a given....simple.....
Good Luck to All!
kin well seems to be according to the ivory tower people who just stick their are out the window and take a giant sht on us! Mind u there also seems to be the people on the floor also who are doing this to us. (Do we need OH&S to put in a study for a stand for them to get up high enough for this? with railings of course)Come on Boys & Girls lets stick together and we will win this thing......not that it is a win, it should be a given....simple.....
Good Luck to All!
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I love reading these self assuring comments and also those comments that are big and bold.
It is good that you are so self assured, i wonder what the posts will be like when that big left of field wham hits....and it will....
I can see comments like: we should have signed! we should have voted no! we should have been happy with our wages etc etc etc
But for now keep the bravado up keep the self assurance up, but also keep an eye out on your length of tenure and associated benefits....see if you can work it out
It is good that you are so self assured, i wonder what the posts will be like when that big left of field wham hits....and it will....
I can see comments like: we should have signed! we should have voted no! we should have been happy with our wages etc etc etc
But for now keep the bravado up keep the self assurance up, but also keep an eye out on your length of tenure and associated benefits....see if you can work it out
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How dare you use the tyre blow out to associate with maintenance...ninemsn
This has no correlation what so ever.......you make me sick to the core...i now know i have made the right decision to abandone your sinking ship.
How dare you ....this is exactly why you will be remembered as the guy who sunk us
This has no correlation what so ever.......you make me sick to the core...i now know i have made the right decision to abandone your sinking ship.
How dare you ....this is exactly why you will be remembered as the guy who sunk us
Think about the ramifications
There is obviously a lot of emotion building up around this PIA. The action hasn't even started yet. I hope it doesn't get any worse when it gets into full swing. Both sides should refrain from making provocative comments. You may be anonymous here but just consider that, rightly or wrongly, someone else may end up paying the price for the pot stirrers comments on this forum.
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If I may I would like to get this thread back to the main game.
PIA
I have heard that the Bne Heavy guys are going to leave work early on Friday night to compensate for the 4hrs loss of pay for the stop work meeting.
Guys this is unprotected action. Dont go there.
I can understand your venom but play the game.
Oh and by the way I have heard that our Kiwi brothers in management have asked Mr Huckleberry to take annual leave after injurying himself at work on a door counterbalance rather than register an LTI and cause those poor underpaid managers from losing thier annual bonus.
These guys need to be ridden like a hooker on half price tuesdays.
PIA
I have heard that the Bne Heavy guys are going to leave work early on Friday night to compensate for the 4hrs loss of pay for the stop work meeting.
Guys this is unprotected action. Dont go there.
I can understand your venom but play the game.
Oh and by the way I have heard that our Kiwi brothers in management have asked Mr Huckleberry to take annual leave after injurying himself at work on a door counterbalance rather than register an LTI and cause those poor underpaid managers from losing thier annual bonus.
These guys need to be ridden like a hooker on half price tuesdays.
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5%???? cmon, BAE have been getting that every year for the past 4 yrs.....
you deserve more, BAE staff are entering into their ECA/AWA talks now, minimum is 5.5, aiming for 6%
you deserve more, BAE staff are entering into their ECA/AWA talks now, minimum is 5.5, aiming for 6%
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It is good that you are so self assured, i wonder what the posts will be like when that big left of field wham hits....and it will....
If QF have a plan to lock us out or sack us all and start up a new engineering company to hire us back under a different award etc. So be it.
What ever your left feild "wham" is!! (wham were a gay band in the 80s, You probably have all their albums.)
I digress. If the above is to happen to the LAMES during this dispute. The dispute will not be the cause of it but a catalyst as it will have been a plan for our future. If the WHAM comes as you say. At least the LAMEs will be able to dictate the terms for our future as the companies hand will be forced, unlike the closing of Heavy maintenance in Sydney which was a slow and painful process akin to death of a 1000 cuts.
BUT I personally do not believe this is what will happen. I am sure selling off ACS is a "wet dream" of the board and will or has been looked at. BUT with the clowns in charge of ACS I can not see not one with the skill or the working knowledge of the ACS work force to make the transition happen and work.
The impostors masquerading as managers on the 3rd floor may have the arrogance or the temerity to talk about it but all should have stayed in their previous vocations where their lack of ability would not be so quickly measured and found wanting.
PIA. What ever happens I am in for the long ride, as we are first union within the company to have a go, and both sides are in unchartered waters so I see rocky times at first then common sense prevailing for if this causes long term disruption to the operation of the company there will be will be losses on both sides. Managers will also have to held accountable for mess and a few put to the sword to appease the gods.
Next union to have a go at PIA, I suspect the company will have its ducks in a row, so again this is our chance.
To add
Have just been informed, one of the QF pilot EBAs is due and so is Jet*. If this drags out over a month QF IR could be fighting on 3 fronts. Do they have recourses to do it?
As someone posted. I am sick and tired of being sick and tired
oh!!
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Sale!
Wingers, your last post would suggest you are in a spot of bother 1. From a legal standpoint I would suggest you make no further comment. 2. You would be best advised to officially report your position. And 3. Prepare to be evicted from PPRuNe. Gee, didn't your team get it wrong!
P.S. Your right Winger's, I do not condone the alleged threat, I have merely speculated. You on the other hand have imputed yourself into bankruptcy.
P.S. Your right Winger's, I do not condone the alleged threat, I have merely speculated. You on the other hand have imputed yourself into bankruptcy.
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Getting back to the topic.
Ragnar Benson said
I have heard that the Bne Heavy guys are going to leave work early on Friday night to compensate for the 4hrs loss of pay for the stop work meeting.
Guys this is unprotected action. Dont go there.
Can’t the guys hold their own stop work meeting at any time on short notice ??
Ragnar Benson said
I have heard that the Bne Heavy guys are going to leave work early on Friday night to compensate for the 4hrs loss of pay for the stop work meeting.
Guys this is unprotected action. Dont go there.
Can’t the guys hold their own stop work meeting at any time on short notice ??
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Time to Moderate, the stress is building!
Trying to get the threat shut down Wingers
. Seems the stress is building the night before PIA starts. I hope the moderators see through you masquerade.
Did you at least get a $100 000? I hear the new rate is $140 000!
. Seems the stress is building the night before PIA starts. I hope the moderators see through you masquerade.Did you at least get a $100 000? I hear the new rate is $140 000!
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The Peter Principle is the principle that "In a Hierarchy Every Employee Tends to Rise to His Level of Incompetence." While formulated by Dr. Laurence J. Peter and Raymond Hull in a humorous book which also introduced the "salutary science of Hierarchiology" "inadvertently founded" by Peter, their 1968 The Peter Principle, the principle has real validity.
The principle holds that in a hierarchy members are promoted so long as they work competently. Sooner or later they are promoted to a position at which they are no longer competent (their "level of incompetence"), and there they remain. Peter's Corollary states that "in time, every post tends to be occupied by an employee who is incompetent to carry out his duties" and adds that "work is accomplished by those employees who have not yet reached their level of incompetence".
Does this sound like QANTAS?
The principle holds that in a hierarchy members are promoted so long as they work competently. Sooner or later they are promoted to a position at which they are no longer competent (their "level of incompetence"), and there they remain. Peter's Corollary states that "in time, every post tends to be occupied by an employee who is incompetent to carry out his duties" and adds that "work is accomplished by those employees who have not yet reached their level of incompetence".
Does this sound like QANTAS?