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This is just a desgusting grab for cash from a greedy unionists. You just think you can compare your wages to Dixon well that is absurd when he is the CEO of the biggest airline in the country.
You get more than 3% you also get a level every 4 years so stop feeding each other the sob stories and get on with life! and dont bother talking to me next friday when we pass at the gate remember I gave 40 years to Qf and deserve to give them something back.
You get more than 3% you also get a level every 4 years so stop feeding each other the sob stories and get on with life! and dont bother talking to me next friday when we pass at the gate remember I gave 40 years to Qf and deserve to give them something back.
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Mr Qantas
dont bother talking to me next Friday when we pass at the gate remember I gave 40 years to Qf and deserve to give them something back.
"I gave them 40 years" so after giving them a glorious 40 years now you say "give them something back" ????
Let me get this right.
"I give them a pound of flesh" they deserve more "I will be give them my right arm"
Sounds to me like you are a 747 short of a runway.
Should I give the dog a run as I pass you next Friday. haaa haaa !!
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Not being a big rugby league follower I was surprised by the wonderful words that many a tough league player said about Jack Gibson. He sounded like a 'beautiful human being' that was concerned about the lives of his players beyond the football field. In my journey I have been fortunate to encounter a couple of people with similar a attitude to life. They give more than they can afford to other people they encounter.
Conversely in life, there is always balance and GD fits the bill. His greed evidenced by the package he sits on, the timing of his share option exercises, the failed commission tax advantages he was too happy to expect during the failed sellout (sometimes called a bribe). His parasitic effect of the ground dwellers (employees) of his company. Openly stating he cares little for employees or customers, the shareholder only matters. Causing pain in the men and women ex-SHM and now without doubt he will be once again causing more stress in the lives of families who's bread winner seeks a pay rise comparable to the inflation rate. You wonder where GD would stop if given open slather on 457 visa's or a bottomless wage floor. This remora would bloat up like a tic on profits extracted from the wages budget if given the opportunity.
I doubt we will win this argument about wages policy but the day workers give up fighting for a share of the wealth of businesses is the day we may as well give away our democratic rights to free speech.
It is beyond my understanding that a $22billion dollar revenue company has such a technically dynamic wages policy that adapts to future economic environment that is no more than a fixed 3% yep that's it 3%. Regardless of cash rates, oil prices, local inflation, exchanges rates, forward bookings, skills shortages, aircraft capacity, guess what it's 3% forever. I wish I worked in corporate finance dept.....at wages policy desk.
What you doing Panther? .....
Oh just working on next years wages policy...
Conversely in life, there is always balance and GD fits the bill. His greed evidenced by the package he sits on, the timing of his share option exercises, the failed commission tax advantages he was too happy to expect during the failed sellout (sometimes called a bribe). His parasitic effect of the ground dwellers (employees) of his company. Openly stating he cares little for employees or customers, the shareholder only matters. Causing pain in the men and women ex-SHM and now without doubt he will be once again causing more stress in the lives of families who's bread winner seeks a pay rise comparable to the inflation rate. You wonder where GD would stop if given open slather on 457 visa's or a bottomless wage floor. This remora would bloat up like a tic on profits extracted from the wages budget if given the opportunity.
I doubt we will win this argument about wages policy but the day workers give up fighting for a share of the wealth of businesses is the day we may as well give away our democratic rights to free speech.
It is beyond my understanding that a $22billion dollar revenue company has such a technically dynamic wages policy that adapts to future economic environment that is no more than a fixed 3% yep that's it 3%. Regardless of cash rates, oil prices, local inflation, exchanges rates, forward bookings, skills shortages, aircraft capacity, guess what it's 3% forever. I wish I worked in corporate finance dept.....at wages policy desk.
What you doing Panther? .....
Oh just working on next years wages policy...
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Yes I am listening. I also wish you would stop posting a pipedream outcome that is even less likely than 5% for all. The 3% wage policy is no longer relevant. Managers worked this out years ago.
LAMEs who read this. I just wanted to share with you a story I heard from Base Maintenance from yesterday. A crew were approached to start their shift ten minutes early in order to help the company out with an aircraft that I will assume was late. The senior and his crew started early and didn't even put in for OT.
I know it hasn't formally started yet but crikey, if our members can't work out what is about to take place the game will be over in a flash. An OT ban is not, not, a ban on claiming OT. An OT ban is a ban on working OT.
You don't still start work early, finish late, come in on days off or work through lunch then not claim OT. I kid you all not, this actually happened. Please don't do it again.
LAMEs who read this. I just wanted to share with you a story I heard from Base Maintenance from yesterday. A crew were approached to start their shift ten minutes early in order to help the company out with an aircraft that I will assume was late. The senior and his crew started early and didn't even put in for OT.
I know it hasn't formally started yet but crikey, if our members can't work out what is about to take place the game will be over in a flash. An OT ban is not, not, a ban on claiming OT. An OT ban is a ban on working OT.
You don't still start work early, finish late, come in on days off or work through lunch then not claim OT. I kid you all not, this actually happened. Please don't do it again.
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hey fed sec what is the dream tell us we are hearing that we are stopping work from the papers not from you ....whats happening please tell us and what are we going for if 5% is not it
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Yes this type of O/T has been going on for 30 plus years with no claim, that is, the crews that show up at work 30 min early every shift.
It will not happen any longer, neither will crews continue showing up for work 30 min early. 0600 or 1800, no earlier.... especially Seniors.....
Wait for the Brief then show in the office for duties.....
It will not happen any longer, neither will crews continue showing up for work 30 min early. 0600 or 1800, no earlier.... especially Seniors.....
Wait for the Brief then show in the office for duties.....
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greedy..........????
Mr Qantas, perhaps you haven't realised it but Dixon and his cronies were hopelessly compromised to receive benefits from the Sale. They had also failed their fiduciary duty as directors of a company as big as Qantas in not carrying out a proper check into the companies proposing the buyout as to THEIR financial position.
The truth is that had the bid succeeded QA would have had $3 billion stripped from the reserves to pay back lenders and accumulated $25 billion + in debt . All without any significant change in assets.
The equation is simple....... millions to Dixon and the gang, and no value to the share holders......except taking on a lot of debt.
Who wins ??? certainly not the shareholders.!!!
As a shareholder, I think ASIC should be investigating this matter BIG TIME (with jail sentences in mind).
The salary increases asked for by engineers is a pittance when compared to the board's bonuses !!!!!
The truth is that had the bid succeeded QA would have had $3 billion stripped from the reserves to pay back lenders and accumulated $25 billion + in debt . All without any significant change in assets.
The equation is simple....... millions to Dixon and the gang, and no value to the share holders......except taking on a lot of debt.
Who wins ??? certainly not the shareholders.!!!
As a shareholder, I think ASIC should be investigating this matter BIG TIME (with jail sentences in mind).
The salary increases asked for by engineers is a pittance when compared to the board's bonuses !!!!!
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Fed Sec
re your below comment
"I also wish you would stop posting a pipedream outcome that is even less likely than 5% for all"
You are openly saying that 5% is unlikley, so why all the angst, lets just settle please so we can get back to normal lives
"I also wish you would stop posting a pipedream outcome that is even less likely than 5% for all"
You are openly saying that 5% is unlikley, so why all the angst, lets just settle please so we can get back to normal lives
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What was FUD about my last message? please tell me
I asked a logical question, how you can deduce i was spreading FUD by asking the Fed Sec to accept the deal offered given IN HIS OWN WORDS, he feels it unlikely that we will get 5%.
You tell me Mr. Sunfish MBA, your MBA is for Masters in Bullsh*t Artist
Easy for you to commentate from the sidelines and rattle things up , suggest you refrain from posting crap, particularly as you have no stake in the outcome
I asked a logical question, how you can deduce i was spreading FUD by asking the Fed Sec to accept the deal offered given IN HIS OWN WORDS, he feels it unlikely that we will get 5%.
You tell me Mr. Sunfish MBA, your MBA is for Masters in Bullsh*t Artist
Easy for you to commentate from the sidelines and rattle things up , suggest you refrain from posting crap, particularly as you have no stake in the outcome
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Spannertwister - We know you are on the same side. The options like your list have all been put to management and they start baulking well before your outcome. eg. 2 levels for all - compared to 1/4 of a level (1 point) for some. We couldn't even negotiate with them a second point or 1 point for all. The 8 points for 2 levels is so far past the brick wall it is not funny. Then you have another 11 inclusions. We just want a simple clear message. 5%. From what I have seen on the inside, it is a more likely outcome.
Stop work meetings? yep, we advised Qantas at 1650 last Friday that there would be one on the 16th. Hope they enjoyed their weekend off. Heard some of them were busy at work.
Our members get notices nearly every day, sometimes 2 a day. This is additional info and I know what is safe to post here. They get direct emails and can email questions in and get rather quick responses. Still think we will be rolled before it begins?
Stop work meetings? yep, we advised Qantas at 1650 last Friday that there would be one on the 16th. Hope they enjoyed their weekend off. Heard some of them were busy at work.
The fact you are discussing it here rather than in direct email to your membership astounds me.
You will be rolled even before your PIA begins.
You will be rolled even before your PIA begins.
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Wingers - The Spreader of FUD
Wingers, you stated in your post (below) that the Fed Sec 'IN HIS OWN WORDS' said 5% was 'unlikely'
You are spreading FUD because the Fed Sec never stated what you have claimed that he has stated. You attempted to misrepresent him.
If you read his post correctly you would understand that the Fed Sec stated that SpannerTwister's wish list (valued at more than 20% renumeration increase) was 'less likely' than the 5% we are asking for. I'll put it into context for you. The statement, 'It is less likely I will win Tattslotto tonight than live to see tomorrow', does not mean that it is unlikely that I will live to see tomorrow.
On a different note, Congratulations ALAEA Exec! 82% is an excellent result. You are taking the fight up to Dix & Cox very well. By enlarge the AME's are very supportive as well. As much as it is possible, all QE workers are united. Roll on 15th May, let PIA begin.
how you can deduce i was spreading FUD by asking the Fed Sec to accept the deal offered given IN HIS OWN WORDS, he feels it unlikely that we will get 5%.
If you read his post correctly you would understand that the Fed Sec stated that SpannerTwister's wish list (valued at more than 20% renumeration increase) was 'less likely' than the 5% we are asking for. I'll put it into context for you. The statement, 'It is less likely I will win Tattslotto tonight than live to see tomorrow', does not mean that it is unlikely that I will live to see tomorrow.
On a different note, Congratulations ALAEA Exec! 82% is an excellent result. You are taking the fight up to Dix & Cox very well. By enlarge the AME's are very supportive as well. As much as it is possible, all QE workers are united. Roll on 15th May, let PIA begin.
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Strike Breakers have been picked
It looks like the Strike Breakers are being introduced to their new surroundings with a third floor manager showing a few around the Sydney base late last night. A few west coast employees were getting TA's sorted out, not to mention a number of supervisors and quasi managers are being asked to stand up and do their bit, seems like Pressganging has ben reintroduced for some unwilling volunteers as well.It is also rumoured that a number of supervisors who took redundancy will be making a reappearance around the tarmac, maybe they're repaying the favour for getting the 707 back to Longreach. I suppose you can always use an extra 100K to top up your million dollar payout.
Looks like difficult times ahead.
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Say NO to overtime LAMEs. It's easy. Message well and truly clear at the International Terminus today (syd) normally 10-12 on o/t today there is none. Not a single Neddy. Well done.
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Rumour has it the a certain exec is getting the flick for causing trouble amongst his mates. Overheard something like "Send him back on the goat that he rode in on......".