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I see that our wonderful KB has struck another blow on QF intranet.
He's done a copy and paste of an Article from yesterdays "Australian
Newspaper" Titled "Union must get real " which bags the crap out of us.
While it would be nice to have the right of reply, I'm sure the great
majority of QF workers can see the light, as they too are sick and tired
of having to bend over while qf managers shove pineapple's up our
rear ends.
If by chance you read this KB,,,, I have managed to crowbar most of those pineapples from my cakehole lately,and while they are still slightly
soiled, It would be a dream come true if I could return the favour to you,
GD and DC,,,,, So please be my guest and take a bow
If only you Morons realised that your Gross disloyalty to your workforce
will cost you far more than a mere $360 mil.
He's done a copy and paste of an Article from yesterdays "Australian
Newspaper" Titled "Union must get real " which bags the crap out of us.
While it would be nice to have the right of reply, I'm sure the great
majority of QF workers can see the light, as they too are sick and tired
of having to bend over while qf managers shove pineapple's up our
rear ends.
If by chance you read this KB,,,, I have managed to crowbar most of those pineapples from my cakehole lately,and while they are still slightly
soiled, It would be a dream come true if I could return the favour to you,
GD and DC,,,,, So please be my guest and take a bow
If only you Morons realised that your Gross disloyalty to your workforce
will cost you far more than a mere $360 mil.
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Intimidation?????
How can we intimidate the 'cross-dresser's' when they have already evacuated by the time we have turned up for shift!
The only person remaining is a recently promoted ops manager,who has the sympathy of the boys on the floor(clever ploy)
And finally,there is so much security on tarmac whilst these 'people' are covering us ,you couldn't get close enough to spit at them!!!
P.S: Can't wait for the roadshow's though ,looking forward to seeing DC and M
The only person remaining is a recently promoted ops manager,who has the sympathy of the boys on the floor(clever ploy)
And finally,there is so much security on tarmac whilst these 'people' are covering us ,you couldn't get close enough to spit at them!!!
P.S: Can't wait for the roadshow's though ,looking forward to seeing DC and M
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Intimidation?????
How can we intimidate the 'cross-dresser's' when they have already evacuated by the time we have turned up for shift!
The only person remaining is a recently promoted ops manager,who has the sympathy of the boys on the floor(clever ploy)
And finally,there is so much security on tarmac whilst these 'people' are covering us ,you couldn't get close enough to spit at them!!!
P.S: Can't wait for the roadshow's though ,looking forward to seeing DC and M
The only person remaining is a recently promoted ops manager,who has the sympathy of the boys on the floor(clever ploy)
And finally,there is so much security on tarmac whilst these 'people' are covering us ,you couldn't get close enough to spit at them!!!
P.S: Can't wait for the roadshow's though ,looking forward to seeing DC and M
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My letter to the ALAEA (suggestion)
Hi all,
Thanks for your tireless work recently. It is really appreciated by the boys/girls I have been talking to.
I have a suggestion, which if you take up, will save me so much frustration. I'm sure my tv will also like the reprieve, as every time Geoff, Kevin etc open their traps my tv is bombarded with whatever is in my hands! I nearly choked when Dixon on the 7.30 Report talked about the 3% wage increase plus the 3-4 % bonus we all received which took our rise to approx 7%. Now 7 % on supposedly 130k I would take but as you well know we haven't had an increase since Jan 06. In fact, I have a 26 month old daughter who hasn't seen her Dad receive a pay rise from Qantas.
My suggestion is... give Qantas warning that every time they deliberately mislead the public we will put the next stoppage on for THAT REASON. We will explain to the public the reason we are off with facts via print/media avenues. Therefore we can put the blame solely on Qantas for these stoppages for misleading the public. This should take some bravado out of them if they know they will be responsible for the stoppage. If they deal with the truth, then there is nothing to worry about, is there?
Thanks for your tireless work recently. It is really appreciated by the boys/girls I have been talking to.
I have a suggestion, which if you take up, will save me so much frustration. I'm sure my tv will also like the reprieve, as every time Geoff, Kevin etc open their traps my tv is bombarded with whatever is in my hands! I nearly choked when Dixon on the 7.30 Report talked about the 3% wage increase plus the 3-4 % bonus we all received which took our rise to approx 7%. Now 7 % on supposedly 130k I would take but as you well know we haven't had an increase since Jan 06. In fact, I have a 26 month old daughter who hasn't seen her Dad receive a pay rise from Qantas.
My suggestion is... give Qantas warning that every time they deliberately mislead the public we will put the next stoppage on for THAT REASON. We will explain to the public the reason we are off with facts via print/media avenues. Therefore we can put the blame solely on Qantas for these stoppages for misleading the public. This should take some bravado out of them if they know they will be responsible for the stoppage. If they deal with the truth, then there is nothing to worry about, is there?
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you couldn't get close enough to spit at them!!!
Good to see no meetings have been cancelled because we're having a meeting on Monday. The usual stance is that the company wont talk unless we cancel the PIA then the meetings will resume. I think after 40 meetings its their turn to come to the party- no stop works cancelled until after the meetings....Stuff 'em.
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The federal Workplace Ombudsman has initiated an immediate investigation into aspects of the Qantas engineers’ dispute.
Ombudsman Nicholas Wilson said today his inquiry had been prompted by allegations in today’s media that a blacklist of strike-breakers was being circulated within the airline industry as a means of intimidating non-union members.
The investigation will seek to determine if freedom of association provisions of the Workplace Relations Act have been breached.
“This is a serious matter, and if proven to be true, could result in prosecution of the guilty party,” Mr Wilson said.
The Workplace Ombudsman has been monitoring the Qantas industrial dispute and negotiating processes to ensure all parties comply with the Act.
source www.wo.gov.au
Ombudsman Nicholas Wilson said today his inquiry had been prompted by allegations in today’s media that a blacklist of strike-breakers was being circulated within the airline industry as a means of intimidating non-union members.
The investigation will seek to determine if freedom of association provisions of the Workplace Relations Act have been breached.
“This is a serious matter, and if proven to be true, could result in prosecution of the guilty party,” Mr Wilson said.
The Workplace Ombudsman has been monitoring the Qantas industrial dispute and negotiating processes to ensure all parties comply with the Act.
source www.wo.gov.au
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This article appeared on Crikey three weeks ago.
Ben Sandilands' article:
This week’s stand offs between angry passengers and Qantas has seen air travel cross the same threshold of ugliness it did in America , the UK and much of Europe years ago.
It is close to war between some carriers and their customers abroad, with the loathing that exists between British Airways and the mob scenes of its top tier frequent flyer members throwing their cards in disgust on the floor of Heathrow Airport indicative of what happens when incompetence becomes entrenched in service delivery.
But now an Australian airline has started using security and police to protect itself from outraged punters who don’t get what they paid for, which is punctuality, civility and cleanliness.
The invasion of a Qantas Club lounge at Sydney’s international terminal on Monday by passengers who had been completely screwed by a cumulative 24-hour delay on a flight to London really isn’t the amusing incident it was reported as being in some quarters.
It was a rupture of trust that is very dangerous for Qantas, and a clear warning to Virgin Blue and Tiger.
That incident and others that followed this week arise from the inability of Qantas to maintain its fleet in reliable working order.
Pre the lounge invasion Qantas and Jetstar have dumped jetloads of hundreds of passengers at a time in terminals, even outside locked terminals, in Sydney, Perth, Hobart and Honolulu among others as aircraft broke down and staff dithered over the arrangements or obligations needed to accommodate them.
Passengers have been left sleeping on bus shed benches in some cases.
Qantas no longer has enough spare parts nor qualified maintenance staff on duty, to perform the necessary pre-flight or turnaround checks, or carry out what in a full service carrier would be otherwise routine running repairs or rectifications.
It goes beyond the current overtime bans by maintenance workers too. Most of the screw ups in Qantas and Jetstar flights this year have happened before the bans were applied.
The forced withdrawal from service of four aged 747s and several seriously unreliable senior 767s just announced by Qantas will make things much worse. These jets aren’t worth the heavy maintenance they need to remain safe and legal, but the replacements Qantas thought it was getting through a large order of Boeing 'Dreamliners' isn’t going to happen this year, as planned, or even next year, as more recently promised by the maker, and possibly not until 2011. The Dudliner hasn’t even flown yet. It is still in pieces in Seattle, being wired together.
Yet the maintenance union claims Qantas gutted its engineering resources in Australia in anticipation of outsourcing even more of the work overseas as it introduces new wide bodied jets including the giant Airbus A380s and the Dreamliners and now seems unable to cope with their late deliveries.
Whatever management and the unions say about their respective positions is lost on alienated customers.
The brand is trashing itself as management finds itself trapped by aircraft makers that can’t deliver, and maintenance arrangements that can’t cope.
Ben Sandilands' article:
This week’s stand offs between angry passengers and Qantas has seen air travel cross the same threshold of ugliness it did in America , the UK and much of Europe years ago.
It is close to war between some carriers and their customers abroad, with the loathing that exists between British Airways and the mob scenes of its top tier frequent flyer members throwing their cards in disgust on the floor of Heathrow Airport indicative of what happens when incompetence becomes entrenched in service delivery.
But now an Australian airline has started using security and police to protect itself from outraged punters who don’t get what they paid for, which is punctuality, civility and cleanliness.
The invasion of a Qantas Club lounge at Sydney’s international terminal on Monday by passengers who had been completely screwed by a cumulative 24-hour delay on a flight to London really isn’t the amusing incident it was reported as being in some quarters.
It was a rupture of trust that is very dangerous for Qantas, and a clear warning to Virgin Blue and Tiger.
That incident and others that followed this week arise from the inability of Qantas to maintain its fleet in reliable working order.
Pre the lounge invasion Qantas and Jetstar have dumped jetloads of hundreds of passengers at a time in terminals, even outside locked terminals, in Sydney, Perth, Hobart and Honolulu among others as aircraft broke down and staff dithered over the arrangements or obligations needed to accommodate them.
Passengers have been left sleeping on bus shed benches in some cases.
Qantas no longer has enough spare parts nor qualified maintenance staff on duty, to perform the necessary pre-flight or turnaround checks, or carry out what in a full service carrier would be otherwise routine running repairs or rectifications.
It goes beyond the current overtime bans by maintenance workers too. Most of the screw ups in Qantas and Jetstar flights this year have happened before the bans were applied.
The forced withdrawal from service of four aged 747s and several seriously unreliable senior 767s just announced by Qantas will make things much worse. These jets aren’t worth the heavy maintenance they need to remain safe and legal, but the replacements Qantas thought it was getting through a large order of Boeing 'Dreamliners' isn’t going to happen this year, as planned, or even next year, as more recently promised by the maker, and possibly not until 2011. The Dudliner hasn’t even flown yet. It is still in pieces in Seattle, being wired together.
Yet the maintenance union claims Qantas gutted its engineering resources in Australia in anticipation of outsourcing even more of the work overseas as it introduces new wide bodied jets including the giant Airbus A380s and the Dreamliners and now seems unable to cope with their late deliveries.
Whatever management and the unions say about their respective positions is lost on alienated customers.
The brand is trashing itself as management finds itself trapped by aircraft makers that can’t deliver, and maintenance arrangements that can’t cope.
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Watch for Gov intervention next week. They will not be on our side. The tourism industry is in their ear with tails of woe. Refer to Anna Blighs comments this week. Kevin 07 will back QF at our expense.
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Watch for Gov intervention next week. They will not be on our side. The tourism industry is in their ear with tails of woe. Refer to Anna Blighs comments this week. Kevin 07 will back QF at our expense.
If QF goes down or if there is major distruptions due to goverment meddling the tourism industry will be worse off.
Its QLD tourism complaining albeit a second choice premier but lets face it, OZ tourism is getting hit because of the same reason myself and many other Australians are planning a trip to USA after many years. The OZ dollar is up and the US down.
Smashing the LAMEs up will not solve the issue.
Lamem ..Dangle another hook because I am not taking the bait
1.Watch for Gov intervention next week. 2.They will not be on our side. 3.The tourism industry is in their ear with tails of woe.
Striking Qantas aircraft engineers should end their industrial bans and get back to the negotiating table, the federal opposition says.
'First of all, this industrial action occurs under the existing industrial relations laws of the previous government,' Mr Rudd told parliament.
'Secondly, those (wage) negotiations are underway. It is regrettable that industrial action occurs. It disrupts the economy.'
'Secondly, those (wage) negotiations are underway. It is regrettable that industrial action occurs. It disrupts the economy.'
2. Refer to 1.
3. Will the government direct Qantas to increase flights to Japan after they just cut more then half of the services there and back ?
HA!
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Friday the 4th of July is the earliest possible day for further action IF REQUIRED. What was I saying about the 4th of July some time ago ???
You watch fellas, Dicko will get his fire works like never before I feel.
I bet share price by then will be at an "all time low" as far as the last few years go. Should be a cracker of a day imo.
Now remember Geoffrey, try and act PROFESSIONAL in this upcoming meeting, after all, this is what is expected of you by your shareholders.
Try not to take things personal. At the end of the day,just remember,even when we get our 5 % or 3 % with level sweeeteners, we still think your a
er, and it won't be forgotten how hard an ordeal you have made this situation. No grudges held here, lol, yeah right.
You watch fellas, Dicko will get his fire works like never before I feel.
I bet share price by then will be at an "all time low" as far as the last few years go. Should be a cracker of a day imo.
Now remember Geoffrey, try and act PROFESSIONAL in this upcoming meeting, after all, this is what is expected of you by your shareholders.
Try not to take things personal. At the end of the day,just remember,even when we get our 5 % or 3 % with level sweeeteners, we still think your a
er, and it won't be forgotten how hard an ordeal you have made this situation. No grudges held here, lol, yeah right.
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Arguably, there are many many more Australians concerned with the 'corporate greed' characteristic of Qantas management and other large corporations such as Telstra and Macquarie Bank etc... The same type of corporate greed that ultimately resulted in the the sub prime crisis in the USA.. Just have a listen to the radio, read the editorial/letters sections of newspapers and/or magazines.. get a feel for what people really think!..
Ultimately, the Qantas brand and the company's success is based upon numerous variables.. least of which is the current CEOs Leadership!.. Qantas management have been financially over-rewarded for years. The time has now come to share just part of those rewards amongst the rest of the workforce!
Ultimately, the Qantas brand and the company's success is based upon numerous variables.. least of which is the current CEOs Leadership!.. Qantas management have been financially over-rewarded for years. The time has now come to share just part of those rewards amongst the rest of the workforce!
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Sunfish said,
Sunny, I love reading your stuff - keep it up, however I don't agree with you on this one. We've played by ALL the rules for nearly two years. We have played within all laws and negotiated in good faith. A group of employees is just working their 38 hours a week - no more, no less. I don't think a Minister is going to make a declaration (under section 498 of Workplace Relations Act) because Mr Brown and Mr Dixon throw a hissy fit and the Queensland Premieress pulls out the old - no one is visiting Queensland routine.
After the last election when workchoices and employment conditions were such a large factor, Kev and Julia will be in for a very short term if they do anything other than sit on the fence or side with us. The whole idea was to remove government interference from the employee-employer relationship.(i.e the current ads on television from the ACTU).
I can just imagine all those workers(and voters) out there who maybe are not quite as well trained as us or are semi or non-skilled, they'd be thinking "if the Kev '07 interfered in stopping those high skilled aircraft workers from getting a legit payrise - what chance do I have. Sorry Kev -vote gone"
Lamem has it right, I think. The correct response is the old Sir Humphrey's " Minister we fail to see why........."
After the last election when workchoices and employment conditions were such a large factor, Kev and Julia will be in for a very short term if they do anything other than sit on the fence or side with us. The whole idea was to remove government interference from the employee-employer relationship.(i.e the current ads on television from the ACTU).
I can just imagine all those workers(and voters) out there who maybe are not quite as well trained as us or are semi or non-skilled, they'd be thinking "if the Kev '07 interfered in stopping those high skilled aircraft workers from getting a legit payrise - what chance do I have. Sorry Kev -vote gone"
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The outcome of Mondays meeting will tell a lot about the future of the dispute.
The next big event for Qantas is World Youth Day 15th - 20th July.
I suspect 747-400 and A330 will be the main types required for that event.
National School holidays begin the end of this week in Qld.
Watch this space.
The next big event for Qantas is World Youth Day 15th - 20th July.
I suspect 747-400 and A330 will be the main types required for that event.
National School holidays begin the end of this week in Qld.
Watch this space.
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Get ready guys for a very action packed week next week. Next Monday will be another stall tactic from QF managemnet. Bring it!
PS: There will be no Gov intervention.
PS: There will be no Gov intervention.
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Bolty I am not dangling bait merely passing on info which has been relayed from a source in the public service in CBR. Sadly we must realise that not everything is necessarily company planted bait.
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fish and chips
Yesterdays news is today’s fish and chip wrapping.
Having viewed the popular media and not so popular our ABC, I have noted the Licensed Engineers dispute has fallen from editorial worth amidst tyre plant future closure, bad parenting and Mugabe’s view of democracy.
No doubt the Australian flying public and overseas visitors using the system have been inconvenienced by disruption of their agenda, but accordingly it has become hardly news worthy amid the headline grabbing fray of the contemporary world.
A woman locked up in Bali, whose headline grabbing lawyer falsely accuses baggage handlers as complicit to her plight makes news.
That headliner should apologise to that hard working group and pay compensation for sullying their integrity.
The LAMEs if not careful may become anathemas rather than people pursuing a worthy cause.
Its all in the timing and delivery of message, the public generally has a short and intemperate attention span.
Given the passage of time the viewers may choose to use the written message as a liner for the cat box.
Though the protagonists may revel now in their shouts, in the future they may have to withdraw because the timing was wrong and the opposition controls the hearts and minds of those with the short attention span.
Having viewed the popular media and not so popular our ABC, I have noted the Licensed Engineers dispute has fallen from editorial worth amidst tyre plant future closure, bad parenting and Mugabe’s view of democracy.
No doubt the Australian flying public and overseas visitors using the system have been inconvenienced by disruption of their agenda, but accordingly it has become hardly news worthy amid the headline grabbing fray of the contemporary world.
A woman locked up in Bali, whose headline grabbing lawyer falsely accuses baggage handlers as complicit to her plight makes news.
That headliner should apologise to that hard working group and pay compensation for sullying their integrity.
The LAMEs if not careful may become anathemas rather than people pursuing a worthy cause.
Its all in the timing and delivery of message, the public generally has a short and intemperate attention span.
Given the passage of time the viewers may choose to use the written message as a liner for the cat box.
Though the protagonists may revel now in their shouts, in the future they may have to withdraw because the timing was wrong and the opposition controls the hearts and minds of those with the short attention span.
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