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For MEL ACS, I suggest 0300hrs would be the best time to start a stop work meeting. About 0200 we can start writing all the DR+R's for all the A/C that are still in bits, to cover our bums............
Dayshift can come in at 0700, and start to sort everything out............
Just a suggestion
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For MEL ACS, I suggest 0300hrs would be the best time to start a stop work meeting. About 0200 we can start writing all the DR+R's for all the A/C that are still in bits, to cover our bums............
Dayshift can come in at 0700, and start to sort everything out............
Just a suggestion
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I need to map out some times for further stopwork meetings across the country. Can you pls post or PM me with the best times to have meetings? Also need to know exactly when rosters in each section start and finish. ie. Syd Dom nightshift finishes at 0600. Then I know that a four hour stoppage from 0200 would allow them not to go back to work. Need to know all ports though as they all vary.
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Thx Mendaero.
My idea's of when to stop work would be very damaging to the Qf schedules, and if I were to tell the Fed Sec, it would be via a PM. I will not post any tactics plain for all to see.
My idea's of when to stop work would be very damaging to the Qf schedules, and if I were to tell the Fed Sec, it would be via a PM. I will not post any tactics plain for all to see.
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How many lames are being docked pay, while forced to continue
normal duties, because of some trumped up charges that they have
carried out UNprotected industrial action.
The management seems be pushing the limits of harrassment on the
guys up north. I understand they pulled the same stunt again today,
now the company does not understand what NO means. All the time
some scab is pre-booked to do the duties anyhow. Who do these
people think they are forcing people to work in other countries against
their will.
Perhaps if there was some WIFM for the extension or ma holders they
would be encouraged to perform the duties more often. Oh, i forgot,
they normally do it on overtime.
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So i guess if there was a payment for the ma holder, he might actually
be compelled to go, but seeing there is not, they can GET @$#%ED.
normal duties, because of some trumped up charges that they have
carried out UNprotected industrial action.
The management seems be pushing the limits of harrassment on the
guys up north. I understand they pulled the same stunt again today,
now the company does not understand what NO means. All the time
some scab is pre-booked to do the duties anyhow. Who do these
people think they are forcing people to work in other countries against
their will.
Perhaps if there was some WIFM for the extension or ma holders they
would be encouraged to perform the duties more often. Oh, i forgot,
they normally do it on overtime.
.So i guess if there was a payment for the ma holder, he might actually
be compelled to go, but seeing there is not, they can GET @$#%ED.
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acting leading hands
Its disapointing to see certain acting L/H pushing guys & girls into not following procedures & barking instructions over radios! Its driving me crazyAlso think it would be great to have a stop work meeting 0200
super P/R and less time to rectify all those MEL's and greenies.
Also think it would be great to have a stop work meeting 0200super P/R and less time to rectify all those MEL's and greenies.
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4 hours before first flight of the day in major ports would be better. Lots of broken aircraft sitting on the deck in the morning. Then all the work needs to be done in the morning. It reinforces to all just how much work gets done at night. And we're not affecting pax directly. No LAMEs milling around in terminals.
First wave delays will hit the company all day.
The only disadvantage is there's no PR opportunity in the terminals.
First wave delays will hit the company all day.
The only disadvantage is there's no PR opportunity in the terminals.
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The only disadvantage is there's no PR opportunity in the terminals.
Fedsec & others,
if there is a chance that qf are going to come back with something at least half meaningful this week why dont we just sit tight and see what it is(sometimes u get something when u least expect it).If it proves to be useless or another obvious time wasting exercise well we still have the option to have the next round of stop-works(or whatever) but lets not cut off our noses to spite our face at this late stage when there could be some slight chance(however small it may be) that something could be offered.We have waited nearly 18 months to get to this stage-another few days is not going to make a lot of difference.Again i say, if qf again prove they can not be trusted, well we have further and more evidence on our side for the public to see and hear that we are being led up the garden path(so to speak).
Interested to hear comments on this post,tks.
if there is a chance that qf are going to come back with something at least half meaningful this week why dont we just sit tight and see what it is(sometimes u get something when u least expect it).If it proves to be useless or another obvious time wasting exercise well we still have the option to have the next round of stop-works(or whatever) but lets not cut off our noses to spite our face at this late stage when there could be some slight chance(however small it may be) that something could be offered.We have waited nearly 18 months to get to this stage-another few days is not going to make a lot of difference.Again i say, if qf again prove they can not be trusted, well we have further and more evidence on our side for the public to see and hear that we are being led up the garden path(so to speak).
Interested to hear comments on this post,tks.
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Again i say, if qf again prove they can not be trusted, well we have further and more evidence on our side for the public to see and hear that we are being led up the garden path(so to speak).
Interested to hear comments on this post,tks.
Interested to hear comments on this post,tks.
When is enough enough for you? If you have been reading this thread, you'd have noticed that patience is wearing thin across the board. I don't think you'll get much support for restraint at this, as you say "late stage". Too much sitting tight. Its time for us to up the ante.
What do you reckon S.nest???
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Karma bites back in Noumea
A mate of mine at SIT just told me an interesting story.
A LAME was docked 4hrs pay today for refusing to go to Noumea and back on OGT on a bodgy shift change. Krispy Kreme Mills rang up at 5am to deliver the threat but the LAME stood firm.
When OGT arrived back in Syd in the afternoon there were some irregularities in the tech log. Apparently there was an un-actioned entry into Noumea for one HF u/s. Also the A/C departed Noumea without the RTS signed!
Apparently there is a STRANGE manager/lame who is in Noumea who cannot sign Radio defects and will probably be contributing to the CASA xmas bbq fund. $$$. CASA and ALAEA have been informed.
How is this “Safety before Schedule” Mr. Cox? There is only about 2000ks of ocean between Syd and Noumea.
A LAME was docked 4hrs pay today for refusing to go to Noumea and back on OGT on a bodgy shift change. Krispy Kreme Mills rang up at 5am to deliver the threat but the LAME stood firm.
When OGT arrived back in Syd in the afternoon there were some irregularities in the tech log. Apparently there was an un-actioned entry into Noumea for one HF u/s. Also the A/C departed Noumea without the RTS signed!
Apparently there is a STRANGE manager/lame who is in Noumea who cannot sign Radio defects and will probably be contributing to the CASA xmas bbq fund. $$$. CASA and ALAEA have been informed.
How is this “Safety before Schedule” Mr. Cox? There is only about 2000ks of ocean between Syd and Noumea.
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Mendero,
Like your idea to give notice of various stop work meetings at different ports while adhering to the 3 days notice required by law.
Notify 20 or 30 instances of stop work meetings and carry out 4 or 5.
BUT WHICH 4 or 5?????
Difficult for scabs and ops managers to plug all the holes in the Dyke if they don't know which Dyke will spring a leak first. It's a long way between Per and Syd or Darwin and Melbourne
For consideration Fed Sec.
Like your idea to give notice of various stop work meetings at different ports while adhering to the 3 days notice required by law.
Notify 20 or 30 instances of stop work meetings and carry out 4 or 5.
BUT WHICH 4 or 5?????
Difficult for scabs and ops managers to plug all the holes in the Dyke if they don't know which Dyke will spring a leak first. It's a long way between Per and Syd or Darwin and Melbourne
For consideration Fed Sec.
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Is is really a legal requirement to give them 3 days notice, i thought that only applied to the initial activation of PIA ?
"Pass-A-Frozo is on your ignore list"
ahhhhhhh, silence is bliss !!!!!!
Now for god sake everyone......IGNORE HIM and he'll crawl back under his rock........
"Pass-A-Frozo is on your ignore list"
ahhhhhhh, silence is bliss !!!!!!
Now for god sake everyone......IGNORE HIM and he'll crawl back under his rock........
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1000 posts wiped and you still don't get it do you. Listening, is power. What communist state did you originate from considering your reflex accusations of same. Essential service! Protect it at all costs! Make these bastards work on their days off! Bring in a 70 hour week! Then post it on the front pages 'WORKERS FORCED TO DO OVERTIME BECAUSE PAF SAID SO! This kind of expected faeces from you would go along way to explaining why you have no need to spend time with your family. Pity you didn't listen and learn before it all fell apart in 2002. But hey 'at least you were right'.
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I agree with blubak. Patience is a virtue. The longer this goes, the deeper the hole QF dig themselves. After waiting 18 months, I for one can wait a few more days to let the pressure build.
However! I agree with protyrekicker in that enough is enough. We need to escalate after the next meeting.
1. Let's give them fair warning so they're correctly motivated to negotiate,
2. If QF does the highly likely "3% is all you're getting" again, smash 'em with the 4 hour stop-work meetings from the early AM hours in the main ports (BNE, SYD, MEL, ADL, PER),
3. I'm sure the vote for 8 hour shift will get up during the meetings, especially if "sold" right by the exec,
4. Warn the co. that if no progress is made, we will withdraw from the 8 hour shift at a time of our choosing. Fri 27 Jun (QLD), 4 July (NSW), Fri 11 July (VIC) is beginning of winter school holidays. Hmmm...
That said, the exec has a plan. I for one will sit back and see how it unfolds!
However! I agree with protyrekicker in that enough is enough. We need to escalate after the next meeting.
1. Let's give them fair warning so they're correctly motivated to negotiate,
2. If QF does the highly likely "3% is all you're getting" again, smash 'em with the 4 hour stop-work meetings from the early AM hours in the main ports (BNE, SYD, MEL, ADL, PER),
3. I'm sure the vote for 8 hour shift will get up during the meetings, especially if "sold" right by the exec,
4. Warn the co. that if no progress is made, we will withdraw from the 8 hour shift at a time of our choosing. Fri 27 Jun (QLD), 4 July (NSW), Fri 11 July (VIC) is beginning of winter school holidays. Hmmm...
That said, the exec has a plan. I for one will sit back and see how it unfolds!
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one HF u/s.....How is this “Safety before Schedule” Mr. Cox?
You're having a laugh right? One HF - I can't believe the tech crew didn't declare a MayDay!
Originally Posted by Galley Raider
one HF u/s.....How is this “Safety before Schedule” Mr. Cox?
You're having a laugh right? One HF - I can't believe the tech crew didn't declare a MayDay!
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A simple logic test. Do you really think Australian legislation allows you to "drag a company to it's knee's" whilst you draw your pay check that you did before you started this?
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Like what paf?
They have closed line 2
closed syd heavy mnt
threatened tulla heavy with closure
outsourced work
closed support shops
threatened to give the 380 to john holland
want to give the 787 to jetstar
and we are being run by a pack of incompetent fools in a totally
unsustainable way.
so paf what are they going to do?
retrench us?
50% of lame's would now probably take it .
They have closed line 2
closed syd heavy mnt
threatened tulla heavy with closure
outsourced work
closed support shops
threatened to give the 380 to john holland
want to give the 787 to jetstar
and we are being run by a pack of incompetent fools in a totally
unsustainable way.
so paf what are they going to do?
retrench us?
50% of lame's would now probably take it .