Merged: QANTAS/ALAEA EBA
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Up left - Down right
Posts: 946
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Why has Quantarse been stalling,
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au...-23349,00.html
PIA NOW !!!!!!
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au...-23349,00.html
PIA NOW !!!!!!
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Sydney, Australia
Posts: 161
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
What PIA?
I'd love to know what's happening with you guys and all of this industrial action. There seemed to be a lot of noise for a while, but it is looking now like it has all fizzled. I was looking forward to seeing a group like you lot take on the company.
I know a lot of "stuff" is probably confidential, but all talk of LAME industrial action has almost been forgotten amongst cabin crew.
Interestingly enough, there have still been some very significant delays:
see QF5 24 Jan and QF5 26 Jan, both delayed for engineering reasons, I believe. Though I doubt this is as a result of any PIA - more likely due to years of neglected maintenance? (And a lack of spare aircraft).
I know a lot of "stuff" is probably confidential, but all talk of LAME industrial action has almost been forgotten amongst cabin crew.
Interestingly enough, there have still been some very significant delays:
see QF5 24 Jan and QF5 26 Jan, both delayed for engineering reasons, I believe. Though I doubt this is as a result of any PIA - more likely due to years of neglected maintenance? (And a lack of spare aircraft).
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Up left - Down right
Posts: 946
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I am very concerned about being diligent and following the AMM with everything I do.
I would like you guys to help me in a problem I have in completing my Check 2 routine.
We need to replenish the spare lamps box, but I can't find a AMM procedure to do the task to sign off to.
How can I sign the Chk 2 without doing so IAW the AMM? Please Help.
As there is PIA about to happen, how can I certify for a simple task without a procedure?
I would like you guys to help me in a problem I have in completing my Check 2 routine.
We need to replenish the spare lamps box, but I can't find a AMM procedure to do the task to sign off to.
How can I sign the Chk 2 without doing so IAW the AMM? Please Help.
As there is PIA about to happen, how can I certify for a simple task without a procedure?
Last edited by Short_Circuit; 25th Jan 2008 at 14:36.
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Australia
Posts: 38
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Knuckledragger1, I see you live very close to the Maralinga nuclear testing site... Hasn't affected you much at all... 
Amidst the fiasco that currently faces QF Engineering, we still have "brothers" whose depth of vision extends to comments like that...
Unbelieveable..
Amidst the fiasco that currently faces QF Engineering, we still have "brothers" whose depth of vision extends to comments like that...
Unbelieveable..
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Up left - Down right
Posts: 946
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
If GD did as rumored, he obviously did not say enough to ease the situation.
GD try again and use the words 5%.....
PS Submit PIA N O W ...
GD try again and use the words 5%.....
PS Submit PIA N O W ...
Last edited by Short_Circuit; 18th Apr 2009 at 00:46.
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Third Floor
Posts: 86
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Supposedly an audience with GD, JB and other board level members for the ALAEA at the direction of the Commish
mmmmmm, the Commish knows through his experience of past cases that've been heard (basically, fairly switched on to the way things work on the ground in LAME world) that the LAME's can grind the network to a halt before you can say "chocks in." Bare in mind this is without any form of 'action' - just following company procedures and Commission directions.
He also knows that approval has been given by the AIRC to engage in protected Industrial Action by the LAME's. (88% in favour if I recall) This will most certainly turn the schedule into a circus.
He knows that the 'little men' who have been on the QF negotiating committee up till now have played 'bully boys' and recognises that the LAME's haven't taken the bait/threats/bribe/fear campaign and are a united force. To be fair to the 'little tough men' of the QF committee, they have been doing as instructed. It hasn't worked. A blood bath is on the cards for the airlines schedule and revenue/profits so the commish has brokered a deal with the upper levels-probably at least in an effort to make them realise what sort of power the LAME's can wield. I'm sure the likes of Oldmeadow, cocks, harris, vincent have just been passing upwards what 'needs' to be heard. i.e "don't worry, we'll get 'em, they'll fold, we'll string them along and get the deal over the line" etc, etc, etc.
The commish is probably beginning to regret giving approval for the PIA in the first place - unlike GD, JB and the other board creepers, he knows that a few well penned entries in a tech log and DRR coupon can stop any and all red rats from flying. (quite legally, no 'action' , safety first, etc ) The procedures and crap that ACS have created will be turned against them quite legally and without recourse in the AIRC or anywhere alse. No matter how many 'strikebreakers' in balaclava's you can get your hands on, it won't make a dent.
For those 'in the know' just look at the manpower required to 'follow company procedures' to open the eng cowls on a 73 or 76. Any log item or 'suspected' leak/investigation will require full lockout of flap/slats, thrust reversers etc, correct stands, harnesses, printouts, etc. Restoration will require duplicate inspections from both trades and on and on it goes. All legal and SAFE per D cocks directives. Hours of work and paperwork added for each transit.
They will only know what hit them when their bonus is denied.
For those who are going to jump in and say "But shouldn't you always be doing everything correctly and as per the rules, you blokes are immoral and only follow rules when you want, isn't that unsafe" Well, we're the ones who make a million judgement calls every day, taking into account safety, passenger comfort/inconvenience, safety, cost, safety, schedule, safety, fatigue, safety, skill/experience, safety, parts issues, safety, on-going sched MEL requirements/cost, safety etc, etc, etc.
Just the same as all of you have pulled up in a 'No Stopping' zone in your car. Why is it a no stopping zone? Because it is unsafe to stop there. However you've probably used your judgement (whether right or wrong) to take the decision to stop in one. It's 3 in the morning, haven't seen another car or pedestrian in hours at this location and i'll only be stopping for 10 seconds. I bet though if a copper jumped out and booked you, you'd scream blue murder. It may seem 'unreasonable' but tough luck!Thing is though is that the copper is 'right' and so will all the LAME's be when it comes to it. You thank and trust the copper to use his judgment/good sense every other time and that's how we, the engineers, keep the planes a comin' and a goin'.
For those who harp on about the 'poor travelling' public - suggest that their letter of disapproval to QF starts with the following,
Dear Sir/Madam
All my flights with your airline in the months of February and March were late -some 3-4 hours, some up to 24. It has come to my attention that engineering was the cause of all these delays. I commend you for putting safety first but suggest you increase the budget that you allocate to the engineering side of your business and if this includes increasing the amount of remuneration of your valued engineer's, then I suggest you take these steps as I will be taking my business elswhere.
Your's Faithfully
XXXX
Be cool everyone
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Oz
Posts: 381
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Well said Big M.
If only 'that M' thought along those lines, we could possibly raise the QE carcass from the ashes.
I'm only dreaming, that line of thought would only be contemplated by a service outlet selling hamburgers - M.
If only 'that M' thought along those lines, we could possibly raise the QE carcass from the ashes.
I'm only dreaming, that line of thought would only be contemplated by a service outlet selling hamburgers - M.
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: n.s.w
Posts: 189
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Talking directly to Dixon is a waste of energy. Bring it on I say, do your job and bury them in the excrement they have created. All bans on from the 1st, no mucking about, all. For those who are now having second thoughts, you voted, it is done, grow a spine. We will get an acceptable out come if we stick together.
Thread Starter
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Australia
Posts: 26
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Talks With GD?
Company Spy,
I fully agree with you. These talks with GD have taken place before and amounted to an outcome of 3%.
If you ever hope to achieve more it will take more than this.
Good luck in your quest.
I fully agree with you. These talks with GD have taken place before and amounted to an outcome of 3%.
If you ever hope to achieve more it will take more than this.
Good luck in your quest.
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: sydney
Posts: 468
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I still say it is all smoke and mirrors while they train their strikebreakers. Stay focused and get ready for a bumpy ride if you really want 5%.
I was also told you are fighting about the new clause to do with overflow work going to Malaysia.
That is just Avalon all over again. Remember Avalon started as overflow until it became the Centre for Excrement and then Sydney Heavy got a huge shafting without a hint of help from the glory boys of ACS and the like.
I was also told you are fighting about the new clause to do with overflow work going to Malaysia.
That is just Avalon all over again. Remember Avalon started as overflow until it became the Centre for Excrement and then Sydney Heavy got a huge shafting without a hint of help from the glory boys of ACS and the like.
Last edited by another superlame; 29th Jan 2008 at 11:21.