QF Cabin Crew Australia Pty Ltd (Merged)

[roamingwolf]

Relax boys and girls and don't take the bait with QFQCCA.I reckon it's Veronica but with a different name.
She doesn't answer any questions about this because she can't.If it wasn't for this B scale she wouldn't have a job to apply for because Dixon would have just opened up more bases.
OK so the pay is not as good as l/h crew get but at least you have your foot in the door and you can improve what you have as you go along.
The important thing is that your in and if it wasn't for the eba you'd be working as a mam for s/h.
The more I think about it QFQCCA is Veronica and that means s/h and that answers everything.

[QFQCCA]

I certainly wont be looking for another job. I am young and I can withstand 4-5 years of crap pay at my age. The base pay for QCCA is not unacceptable what is unacceptable is the protection of the flying afforded to QF Crew. Throughout the interview process and even on this forum figures on yearly salary and potential earnings where discussed and now I find that after I join there is no way in the world those figures can be achieved within the boundries of the current system.

I am happy to stay on unlike a lot of QF Crew I dont take the easy road, I am willing to stay and fight for access to ALL flying. As stated before my position is an end to senority and bidding Packrat, why should QCCA crew be disadvantaged just to ensure the three thousand odd QF Crew can maintain their lifestyle at our expense. If you think I am the only QCCA crew member that thinks like this think again. In 4-5 years the novelty of flying will well and truely be worn off and QCCA crew will be fully prepared and hopefully have the numbers within the FAAA to effect real change and a postitive future for all crew on a balanced and even playing field.

roamingwolf you have your own issues so I am not going down that road with you suffice to say people that sort of intimidation by QF crew is not isolated.

[indamiddle]

looks like divide and conquer is working between lhcc and qcca.
next eba in 4.5 years will be fun. will the union at this time be
run by lhcc or qcca crew. two different scenarios with two
completely different eba implications

[bbear75]

Qfqcca

I am curious to know if you have been on reserve since graduating or have you had a flying line yet? I was speaking to a lovely QCCA gent yesterday, ex- MAM, who has been on reserve since graduating. He's only flown a few routes in a month and a half ( all well paying ones ). He's hoping to be on board the next roster. I can understand how the money would not be great during reserve, but when flying, the $2.60/hour will bump it up to over the amount you are quoting. Not by a huge amount, but certainly by 10% or so.

I would also like to say that the majority of people in my class are completely aware of how much we will be getting paid, what routes we will or will not be flying, and what the A and B scale is. And we are all very excited to be here and happy for the jobs

[prunezeuss]

Coming Downturn/Redundancy

Over the life of the current EBA there is likely to be a downturn in the aviation industry.
Our Friend QFQCCA may not be around long enough to change anything but his socks and underwear.

[Crossing Guard]

The Bid System

Before the Bid System was introduced we were paid a flat wage irrespective of how many hours we worked.
I have worked under an allocated roster system and a bid system.
The Bid System is far superior.
You are paid an hourly rate and there is a provision for overtime.
Get rid of the Bid System and you will set everyone back about twenty years.
Become part of it and enjoy its benefits.
Get an allocated roster and the associated wage structure and then you will really have something ot complain about.
BTW there is no buddy bidding with an allocted roster.
So if your partner flies you will never see them.
If your partner doesnt fly you will miss out on Christmas,Birthdays anniversaries weekend parties...no control over anything.
It is hoped that QCCA CC will see the reality of becoming part of the Bid System rather than attempting to dismantle it.
The contempt you (QFQCCA)have for current crew will be reciprocated by those that follow.

[twiggs]

From another perspective, those of us that started with seniority bidding had to be at the bottom of the heap for many years and some still get complete rosters of JNB.
QCCA crew can potentially have the best of both worlds: Fair share system for the first 5 years, then in a new EBA with seniority bidding incorporated, QCCA can enter seniority with a few years already under their belts.

[bbear75]

It's a shame that there is only a bid system or an allocated roster. Loyalty to a company should be rewarded, but so should staff that are excelling in their job regardless of seniority. A small % of crew on the most popular flights should be reserved to reward less senior QF or QCCA staff who are doing excellent and consistent work. That would promote healthy competition and see the standard lifted. I also dread writing this, but it is a fact that there are alot of keen, eager new faces wanting to come on board and it is a shame that they can not be used on more routes. As we all know the first year in a job is when everything is fresh, exciting and not much gets you down. That energy on all flights would be a wonderful thing But I live in a dream world
It wouldn't take much to introduce a system where the CSM nominates the best crew on the flight. If their name continues to come up on other flights then they are allowed to be rewarded with a flight of their choice.

[packrat]

Squirrell Caging

This is a third option based on rotatng seniority.
BP1 you have a seniority of 1.
BP2 you have a seniority of 50
BP7 you have a senioity of 300
BP8 you go back to a seniority of 1
Seniority and therefore bidding opportunities rotate over a calender year.
Everyone has a BP at the top and at the bottom.
There can also an Allocation of "request trips".After the first year of flying you are eligible for a guaranteed trip of your choice.After two years of flying you are eligible for two trips.This eventually caps out at seven..one trip per BP.
Allocating trips to Star Performers is open to abuse and is subjective.
The Excel Award System is a perfect example of how such a system can be manipulated

[RedTBar]

I think most people here are missing one important fact and that is the attitude of the company to crew.

The company really does not want crew to fly for anything more than 5 years and would probably be happy to fly for only a year or two and leave.

This EBA was their first step in ridding themselves of crew of my vintage.The last thing they want is to have a bidding system that gives crew what they want so they are happy.

First they tried to shaft us when we were on a 75% stand down allocated roster.None of us wanted to change and the time off after a trip was great and the trips then were generally longer than they are now.It was a lifestyle more than a job and a lot of crew had second jobs.

Then the company came up with what they said was the best system in the world and that's why they wanted it.Crew, then being the resourceful bunch we are made the most of it and bingo the company now say's that they want to change it.

The question is why?
The answer is that they really don't want crew to be happy and contented.
They want crew to join fly for a few years and leave.

RW is right and we don't really know who is who here on pprune.It's not beyond the realm of possibility that QFQCCA is someone in the office trying to create a division between existing crew and the new crew.Divide and conquer is a tactic that the company has used for years so why would they stop now.
QFQCCA could be S/H crew or even someone in the S/H union who is not happy about the EBA and it's effect on S/H's flying or ex S/H who is unhappy for the same reason.
The reality though is that no one put a gun to her head and forced her to join.If this EBA had not been voted up there would not have been any jobs in L/H to apply for and it's as simple as that.

[speedbirdhouse]

Well said that man..........

[Pegasus747]

Roster Period 257 for QCCA is looking significantly better. The return of Regional FLying to LH has changed a lot of bidding preference of LH crew. It seems that QCCA crew are still getting some JNBs just like the most junior LH crew have got for the last 5 years but now they are getting FRA, LHR, SIN, HKG, NRT and some of the recent QCCA CSS's are getting LAX trips too.

All good things come to those who wait

[chicka]

I am a new recruit under going training and I am extremely excited about my new opportunity, when I applied for the position I thoroughly researched all aspects of the role including pay by looking up the EBA and reading it, also my uncle flew with QF for over 30yrs and I had long discussions with him and he was very encouraging for me to take the position When I was offered the job I accepted it knowing full well what I was accepting and excited to have the opportunity to work for this australian icon. I tried to get in over 10yrs ago to the company as a flight attendant and was knocked back because of lack of experience and languages. To be able to apply now and being accepted is a fantastic thing something I have always wanted, and I personally consider it a privellage. I know that there are many new recruits out there that feel exactly the same way I do and it is such a shame that there are people out there that are being negative trying to take the shine off the opportunity especially another new recruit like QFQCCA.

I understand that we are all entitled to our opinion but if you need to be negative why not start up a new thread and leave this one to the newies to share their excitment. Also I just would like to thank all the LHCC that have shared there positive experiences with us on here it just helps add to our excitment.

[lovelondon]

I cant wait to work with you Chicka

[QFLHFA]

I think the best thing for QCCA crew is to get on the a380, better routes and money and I beleive the Qantas pty ltd crew don't get any seniority or bidding, so the allocated flying will be shared evenly.

[chicka]

Thanks lovelondon

Thanks I can't wait to start flying and working with you all

[speedbirdhouse]

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"I think the best thing for QCCA crew is to get on the a380, better routes and money"

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Riiiiiight................?

[packrat]

Better routes...Better Money

The A380 will service high density routes...of which Qantas has three.
Namely LAX,JNB.LHR.
There maybe more as the company grows but for now and at least for the next three or four years thats it

[lovelondon]

What's up with you Speedbirdhouse ?


Qantas Airways CC have access to the A380 if they want it as do QCCA. No one is being forced to operate the A380 so i figure the only crew working on it actually want to be there. We have choices!

The way I see it QCCA crew can make extra money with overtime on the A380 to LAX and the last time I looked the USD went a bit further than the South African Rand in paying bills.

I personally am happy to stay put on the rest of the QF fleet but for those who make the switch its a personal decision .I am happy we have a choice.

[speedbirdhouse]

You are absolutely right.

Don't know what came over me?

Of course the A380 is the better option.

Better routes and money and all that.