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Regardless of who thinks what and how long you have been doing it,
At the end of the day, we are all employed to do the same thing, attend to the safety and service of the passenger, who by the way pays our wage!!!
As a bonus, by doing that, you end up in another part of the world as an end result. Some days, the pax are not as easy as others, and at the end of the day, if what in flight we are trained for happens, then we deal with as best we can on the day - touch wood!!!
Naievety aside, none of the banter and petty remarks are necessary - this thread is supposed to be informative, positive and productive.
Lets move on, shed light, information and support to a consistently growing number of staff who are chosing a career, or change of career and embrace the experience and indifference that everyone has to offer!!!
At the end of the day, we are all employed to do the same thing, attend to the safety and service of the passenger, who by the way pays our wage!!!
As a bonus, by doing that, you end up in another part of the world as an end result. Some days, the pax are not as easy as others, and at the end of the day, if what in flight we are trained for happens, then we deal with as best we can on the day - touch wood!!!
Naievety aside, none of the banter and petty remarks are necessary - this thread is supposed to be informative, positive and productive.
Lets move on, shed light, information and support to a consistently growing number of staff who are chosing a career, or change of career and embrace the experience and indifference that everyone has to offer!!!
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"That about covers funbags...a sad spiteful troll"
.....who speaks the truth surfy, and you just hate to hear it! You guys would just talk yourselves up to the hilt on here. You are not God's gift to flight attending (although you do think, and talk like it), just ask the average punter in the street what they think of the service on the big Q! Hopefully the recruitment of some new blood like QCCA might spruce the image up a bit!
.....who speaks the truth surfy, and you just hate to hear it! You guys would just talk yourselves up to the hilt on here. You are not God's gift to flight attending (although you do think, and talk like it), just ask the average punter in the street what they think of the service on the big Q! Hopefully the recruitment of some new blood like QCCA might spruce the image up a bit!
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hi
hi all im another newbie and have read all post.....took 4ever hehe anyway i had my interview in bris 4th march and find my self waiting now, have had refere checks but no medical there was a hold up with police check as ive lived in many states,spoke to recruitment friday and im still being processed so like everyone before me i sit here in hope, congrats to all that are on there way to training and waiting to go, 
"up up and away one day" :-)
"up up and away one day" :-)
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hi and thankyou for making me feel welcome........oh thats right you were all too busy having a go at each other, the last few pages havent been that pleasant so can we all move on from the nastyness please....im on other sites and was looking forward to joining pprune as i thought it more professional but..
all we all have bad days so hopfully thats all it is cheers :-)
all we all have bad days so hopfully thats all it is cheers :-)
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hi rose58
it's not so bad in galley on 4 day lax, not that i get many of them. if you are new
you will get even less lax trips....probably mainly regional.
anyone know how many csm/css/b1st jobs up for grabs?
what has been the experience of crew who have operated c zone?...anyone from ylast please re new service to lhr etc on 744
you will get even less lax trips....probably mainly regional.
anyone know how many csm/css/b1st jobs up for grabs?
what has been the experience of crew who have operated c zone?...anyone from ylast please re new service to lhr etc on 744
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Can anyone give me some advice please?
After many years of CC interviews, medicals and checks, I finally got in this year with a regional airline
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Two days out from Graduation and the last student left in ground school, I quit in tears during the 5th EP's practical CASA exam
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My voice was not forceful, loud or aggressive enough for the long winded Emergency commands as the sole FA. I actually damaged my vocal chords from the days of shouting and ended up with a throat infection!!!
Due to my unfortunate lack of volume I turned down the QCCA job around the same time, after seeking advice.
They said it is no different being in a team of FA's on a Jet aircraft as opposed to a Dash 8.
My dream has always been to work with a team on a Jet, not alone on a tiny aircraft.
I am now going through a grieving type process to get over this.
CAN ANYONE GIVE ME ANY KIND OF ADVICE ON WHETHER OR NOT I SHOULD CONTINUE APPLYING??????
I have no idea what other career to undertake as this has been my ambition for ever.
Thanks
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Two days out from Graduation and the last student left in ground school, I quit in tears during the 5th EP's practical CASA exam
. My voice was not forceful, loud or aggressive enough for the long winded Emergency commands as the sole FA. I actually damaged my vocal chords from the days of shouting and ended up with a throat infection!!!
Due to my unfortunate lack of volume I turned down the QCCA job around the same time, after seeking advice.
They said it is no different being in a team of FA's on a Jet aircraft as opposed to a Dash 8.
My dream has always been to work with a team on a Jet, not alone on a tiny aircraft.
I am now going through a grieving type process to get over this.
CAN ANYONE GIVE ME ANY KIND OF ADVICE ON WHETHER OR NOT I SHOULD CONTINUE APPLYING??????
I have no idea what other career to undertake as this has been my ambition for ever.
Thanks
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Jazzie,
Ep's is stressful for everyone. It comes around every 6 months and the initial training is always the hardest. If you had medical problems with shouting perhaps you can get some advice from an ear nose and throat specialist. You dont really have to yell that loud but you can take care of your voice .....
I would suggest that if you want to be a flight attendant you will have tough days and not many ppl quit during ep's so if you get another chance, just suck it up and get on with it...
Ep's is stressful for everyone. It comes around every 6 months and the initial training is always the hardest. If you had medical problems with shouting perhaps you can get some advice from an ear nose and throat specialist. You dont really have to yell that loud but you can take care of your voice .....
I would suggest that if you want to be a flight attendant you will have tough days and not many ppl quit during ep's so if you get another chance, just suck it up and get on with it...
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I doubt yelling was the cause of your throat infection. It probably got infected because you were tired and run down and your immune system was low, due to lack of sleep as your studying for exams, as well as probably not exercising and eating normally.
You shouldn't have given up. EP's is only 2-3 weeks of your life. They were right in saying it makes no different what aircraft type you're on when conducting emergency procedures training. It is all very similar. Did you try gargling and drinking lots of water and taking throat soothers. Or even try warming up your throat.
To be honest with you aswell, regional airline commands are easier as there is only 1 main door and there are no slides so they actually use less commands.
I'd also like to point out there are more commands on a jet aircraft as apposed to a regional aircraft. The jets have primary cabin crew members, secondary cabin crew members and assist cabin crew members, plus also there are land emergency commands and ditching commands with and without slides and rafts. Regionals just have one set of stairs.
Maybe try searching some some aircraft emergency landings or even watch some movies or documentrys. That would also show you what crew do inflight.
You shouldn't have given up. EP's is only 2-3 weeks of your life. They were right in saying it makes no different what aircraft type you're on when conducting emergency procedures training. It is all very similar. Did you try gargling and drinking lots of water and taking throat soothers. Or even try warming up your throat.
To be honest with you aswell, regional airline commands are easier as there is only 1 main door and there are no slides so they actually use less commands.
I'd also like to point out there are more commands on a jet aircraft as apposed to a regional aircraft. The jets have primary cabin crew members, secondary cabin crew members and assist cabin crew members, plus also there are land emergency commands and ditching commands with and without slides and rafts. Regionals just have one set of stairs.
Maybe try searching some some aircraft emergency landings or even watch some movies or documentrys. That would also show you what crew do inflight.
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Well I am a QCCA flight attendant and having been blinded by my love of flying reality is now starting to kick in along with resentment. Dont believe everything you read and hear about QF and QCCA crew being one big happy family. QF crew will say and rightly so they embrace us and are really happy we are now part of their "family" but of course they will say that because we have allowed them to keep their salary and existing conditions - for now. I cant wait for the 5 years to be up so we can toss bidding out the window so that all of us can really be a family when both QF and QCCA crew get access to ALL flying. By all accounts QCCA crew will out number current crew by that time giving us the power not them.
It is very true QCCA crew WILL NOT see any USA trips and maybe lucky to get to Europe (except of course when you are on reserve). I personally have been given Africa only. When I asked a manager about the range of flying we will get in the future I was advised we will get a fair share of all flying - THATS LEFT. Meaning if only Africa and Perth returns are left thats what we will get.
Anyway Im sticking it out on my grand a fortnight for now and I can just hear everyone now - it will change it will get better, well from where I am standing I dont see how.
It is very true QCCA crew WILL NOT see any USA trips and maybe lucky to get to Europe (except of course when you are on reserve). I personally have been given Africa only. When I asked a manager about the range of flying we will get in the future I was advised we will get a fair share of all flying - THATS LEFT. Meaning if only Africa and Perth returns are left thats what we will get.
Anyway Im sticking it out on my grand a fortnight for now and I can just hear everyone now - it will change it will get better, well from where I am standing I dont see how.
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Reality Check
1.No one twisted your arm to work for QCCA.There are plenty of Airlines recruiting at present.
Working for V Australia will definitely get you to the States.Why not give them a call?
2.If the EBA was not agreed to your job in Australia would not exist.It would have been given to someone overseas.
3.No one currently employed was going to sacrifice there income/job/lifestyle for someone they didnt know.
4.There are/will be plenty of opportunities for QCCA when the A380 arrives.The A380 will fly primarily to LAX and eventually to LHR.
5.Dont pay attention to your manager.You will find that they are informed about change three days after it is implemented.
6.There are opportunities for promotion available to QCCA already.Nine are in CSS training now.Promotion equals a pay increase.
7.Whilever current crew are employed there will be a bid system.Rather than try to get rid of it you should to have yourselves included in it
9.See if you can get perpetual reserve.It will definitely provid you with variety.I did it for 5 years when the bid system arrived
Working for V Australia will definitely get you to the States.Why not give them a call?
2.If the EBA was not agreed to your job in Australia would not exist.It would have been given to someone overseas.
3.No one currently employed was going to sacrifice there income/job/lifestyle for someone they didnt know.
4.There are/will be plenty of opportunities for QCCA when the A380 arrives.The A380 will fly primarily to LAX and eventually to LHR.
5.Dont pay attention to your manager.You will find that they are informed about change three days after it is implemented.
6.There are opportunities for promotion available to QCCA already.Nine are in CSS training now.Promotion equals a pay increase.
7.Whilever current crew are employed there will be a bid system.Rather than try to get rid of it you should to have yourselves included in it
9.See if you can get perpetual reserve.It will definitely provid you with variety.I did it for 5 years when the bid system arrived
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QFQCCA,
Honemoon period is over right...
Sorry to hear that it is not what you thought it would be! I know a few who have quit QCC, don't feel bad and this was after a couple of days of flying, one did not even fly at all but graduated GS.
To be honest with you, it is not going to get much better in the near future.. Perhaps as staff retire in years to come. A380 is not to answer either. Remember LHR crew will also operate on these flights...
Maybe reserve is the best way to go.
Honemoon period is over right...
Sorry to hear that it is not what you thought it would be! I know a few who have quit QCC, don't feel bad and this was after a couple of days of flying, one did not even fly at all but graduated GS.
To be honest with you, it is not going to get much better in the near future.. Perhaps as staff retire in years to come. A380 is not to answer either. Remember LHR crew will also operate on these flights...
Maybe reserve is the best way to go.
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Seniority and Bidding
QCCA crew rosters are built after long haul crew. That would happen even if QCCA crew were included in the seniority system. as they would be allocated a seniority number like all current crew and would be able to bid for work. That work would still be allocated exactly the same as it is currently ie from the most senior to the most junior.
The only difference is that the company would not agree to the new crew getting any sort of seniority or crew who go to the A380 including the current Qantas Airlines Crew.
The company is totally opposed to seniority but the thousands of current crew have built their lives around it. The seniority system was imposed on Cabin Crew by the company in 1988 and the majority of crew were against it. But they have now built lives around that system including their families.
If it were suddenly removed by the company in EBA 8 it would have been almost constructive dismissal to many crew as they would not have been able to continue working with no control over their lives at all.
This EBA has protected the current crew for sure. It has also created 2000 new jobs many with CSM and CSS positions for crew in Australia. The conditions are better than Jetstar and the money and promtional opportunities are better too.
I would suggest that when the next EBA is to be voted on that the Union will be seeking a recognition of seniority for QCCA crew and improvments in conditions and pay. None of that would have been possible at all if the jobs were not created in australia in the first place.
Long Haul crew have given up a slipping formula on regional flights and a range of other things to create flexibility themselves. They have also agreed to go the creation of the A380 division with the same work rules as QCCA should they wish to fly the A380.
QCCA crew have good job security and their conditions are competitive and make for job security and remove the desire of the company to massively expand overseas bases and create australian jobs. It hard to work with crew on different conditions but without the arrangements agreed to in EBA8 the jobs would not be there.
Over 1500 crew have been made redundant in the last few years. As current LH crew retire, convert to part time, resign and take packages their conditions will dissappear with them.
The challenge for those of us remaining is to work with the QCCA crew to improve their conditions whilst trying to remain competitive. Australian Airlines was shut down because it was uncompetitve, and the cabin crew worked more hours for less money that the LH crew.
QCCA is the future Qantas airlines is the past, the challenge is to continue to create Australian jobs with a future
The only difference is that the company would not agree to the new crew getting any sort of seniority or crew who go to the A380 including the current Qantas Airlines Crew.
The company is totally opposed to seniority but the thousands of current crew have built their lives around it. The seniority system was imposed on Cabin Crew by the company in 1988 and the majority of crew were against it. But they have now built lives around that system including their families.
If it were suddenly removed by the company in EBA 8 it would have been almost constructive dismissal to many crew as they would not have been able to continue working with no control over their lives at all.
This EBA has protected the current crew for sure. It has also created 2000 new jobs many with CSM and CSS positions for crew in Australia. The conditions are better than Jetstar and the money and promtional opportunities are better too.
I would suggest that when the next EBA is to be voted on that the Union will be seeking a recognition of seniority for QCCA crew and improvments in conditions and pay. None of that would have been possible at all if the jobs were not created in australia in the first place.
Long Haul crew have given up a slipping formula on regional flights and a range of other things to create flexibility themselves. They have also agreed to go the creation of the A380 division with the same work rules as QCCA should they wish to fly the A380.
QCCA crew have good job security and their conditions are competitive and make for job security and remove the desire of the company to massively expand overseas bases and create australian jobs. It hard to work with crew on different conditions but without the arrangements agreed to in EBA8 the jobs would not be there.
Over 1500 crew have been made redundant in the last few years. As current LH crew retire, convert to part time, resign and take packages their conditions will dissappear with them.
The challenge for those of us remaining is to work with the QCCA crew to improve their conditions whilst trying to remain competitive. Australian Airlines was shut down because it was uncompetitve, and the cabin crew worked more hours for less money that the LH crew.
QCCA is the future Qantas airlines is the past, the challenge is to continue to create Australian jobs with a future