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The A380 will be fairly limited for some time. For crew based in sydney the destinations will be LAX, SIN, HKG for the foreseeable future.
However if you want to fly the aircraft and those destinations then at least EP's will be easy and you wont have to do perth overnight or JNB
There are no plans for the A380 to fly to JNB in the next 5 years
However if you want to fly the aircraft and those destinations then at least EP's will be easy and you wont have to do perth overnight or JNB
There are no plans for the A380 to fly to JNB in the next 5 years
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A380/jnb
At last years Strategy Day at Redfern John Borghetti indicated that the A380 would fy to JNB....a time frame was not provided.
As we all know circumstances change from day to day.
As we all know circumstances change from day to day.
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i dont think thats entirely true the most junior long haul crew have been doing back to back JNB for a few years but let's look at the reason....
about 1500 ppl took redundancy as they wound down the long haul division, all senior to the crew doing the Jnb's, then on top of that the overseas bases getting their work withdrawn and allocated before long haul crew are allocated. Then, short haul undercut LH in EBA6 and used the MAM casual labour cost to take international flying away from the LH division. Then and most importantly no recruitment for years coupled with work being divided between three LH bases.
Now there is massive recruitment, and return of the international flying.
Yes there will still be JNB as the least popular trip as it has always been but there will be in fact more variety for all crew as a result of the regional flying coming back and new destinations opening up all the time.
I think that the future destinations for QCCA will improve as the recruitment continues.
Sorry its my nature to always be an optimist
the most junior long haul crew have been doing back to back JNB for a few years but let's look at the reason....about 1500 ppl took redundancy as they wound down the long haul division, all senior to the crew doing the Jnb's, then on top of that the overseas bases getting their work withdrawn and allocated before long haul crew are allocated. Then, short haul undercut LH in EBA6 and used the MAM casual labour cost to take international flying away from the LH division. Then and most importantly no recruitment for years coupled with work being divided between three LH bases.
Now there is massive recruitment, and return of the international flying.
Yes there will still be JNB as the least popular trip as it has always been but there will be in fact more variety for all crew as a result of the regional flying coming back and new destinations opening up all the time.
I think that the future destinations for QCCA will improve as the recruitment continues.
Sorry its my nature to always be an optimist
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QCCA roster quality for roster period 257
Roster period 257 will be the first planned roster for many QCCA crew following training and reserve line in roster period 256.
In the current roster period, BP256, there were a very limited number of QCCA crew given a planned roster. Being the most junior in the crew allocations module (CAM), these rosters basically reflected the roster quality of the most junior crew in Long Haul prior to the recruitment of QCCA into long haul.
In BP257, with almost 180 QCCA flying line holders (crew with a planned roster) in Sydney and 50 QCCA flying line holders in Melbourne, the variety of patterns available for the construction of QCCA crew rosters has substantially increased.
Following the review of the rosters by the Planning & Scheduling Committee, we can advise that for the Sydney base, QCCA rosters includes AKL/LAX, BKK, FRA, HKG, JNB, PER, PVG & SIN patterns. For the Melbourne based QCCA crew, rosters were made up of a combination of HKG, PER & SIN patterns. However, as the rosters are randomly generated, varieties of patterns are not evenly shared between different rosters.
Going forward, as QCCA crew numbers continue to grow, together with the transfer of the regional flying and the rotation of QCCA crew in the roster allocation process, there will be opportunities for QCCA crew to gain access to an expanding variety of flying.
Average line value and low line roster hours
QCCA crew may be aware that the EBA provides for an agreed roster value of up to 240 hours with an average roster value of approximately 220 hours. In an effort to produce rosters of equitable average hours, the Company has agreed to construct rosters at a lower range of between 210 and 225 hours. Anticipated consequences of the lower average range are rosters substantially below the agreed maximum of 240 hours.
To mitigate the ‘low line’ consequence, the Association has agreed with QCCA for the trial implementation of a ‘low line reclaimable hours’ arrangement:
1. Crew with a planned line value of 210 hours or less will be available to QCCA for assignment of duties on ‘A’ days. The assignment of duties may project low line crew up to a maximum of 220 hours.
2. QCCA can only make 2 assignments to recoup low line reclaimable hours and will be given a minimum of 8 hours notice of such assignment.
3. Assignment of duties and the home base minimum rest following the assigned duty can infringe on ‘X’ days but will not infringe on planned roster duties.
4. QCCA crew with low line reclaimable hours will have a 1 occasion ability to move a group of up to 5 roster days off (‘X’ days) to anywhere on their roster by contacting Operations before day 15 of the roster. This will provide crew with some control on their availability to the Company for assignment of duties. Note: Operations will only move 1 planned single block of roster days off and home base minimum rest will also need to be observed.
5. QCCA cannot assign standby duties to offset low line reclaimable hours.
We will monitor feedback from members with this arrangement and review the roster construction range if necessary.
Written by Lee Lam – Assistant Secretary – International Division
Furthermore, i relation to SH/LH transfers i would imagine a handful will be actioned but probably not enough to satisfy demand
Roster period 257 will be the first planned roster for many QCCA crew following training and reserve line in roster period 256.
In the current roster period, BP256, there were a very limited number of QCCA crew given a planned roster. Being the most junior in the crew allocations module (CAM), these rosters basically reflected the roster quality of the most junior crew in Long Haul prior to the recruitment of QCCA into long haul.
In BP257, with almost 180 QCCA flying line holders (crew with a planned roster) in Sydney and 50 QCCA flying line holders in Melbourne, the variety of patterns available for the construction of QCCA crew rosters has substantially increased.
Following the review of the rosters by the Planning & Scheduling Committee, we can advise that for the Sydney base, QCCA rosters includes AKL/LAX, BKK, FRA, HKG, JNB, PER, PVG & SIN patterns. For the Melbourne based QCCA crew, rosters were made up of a combination of HKG, PER & SIN patterns. However, as the rosters are randomly generated, varieties of patterns are not evenly shared between different rosters.
Going forward, as QCCA crew numbers continue to grow, together with the transfer of the regional flying and the rotation of QCCA crew in the roster allocation process, there will be opportunities for QCCA crew to gain access to an expanding variety of flying.
Average line value and low line roster hours
QCCA crew may be aware that the EBA provides for an agreed roster value of up to 240 hours with an average roster value of approximately 220 hours. In an effort to produce rosters of equitable average hours, the Company has agreed to construct rosters at a lower range of between 210 and 225 hours. Anticipated consequences of the lower average range are rosters substantially below the agreed maximum of 240 hours.
To mitigate the ‘low line’ consequence, the Association has agreed with QCCA for the trial implementation of a ‘low line reclaimable hours’ arrangement:
1. Crew with a planned line value of 210 hours or less will be available to QCCA for assignment of duties on ‘A’ days. The assignment of duties may project low line crew up to a maximum of 220 hours.
2. QCCA can only make 2 assignments to recoup low line reclaimable hours and will be given a minimum of 8 hours notice of such assignment.
3. Assignment of duties and the home base minimum rest following the assigned duty can infringe on ‘X’ days but will not infringe on planned roster duties.
4. QCCA crew with low line reclaimable hours will have a 1 occasion ability to move a group of up to 5 roster days off (‘X’ days) to anywhere on their roster by contacting Operations before day 15 of the roster. This will provide crew with some control on their availability to the Company for assignment of duties. Note: Operations will only move 1 planned single block of roster days off and home base minimum rest will also need to be observed.
5. QCCA cannot assign standby duties to offset low line reclaimable hours.
We will monitor feedback from members with this arrangement and review the roster construction range if necessary.
Written by Lee Lam – Assistant Secretary – International Division
Furthermore, i relation to SH/LH transfers i would imagine a handful will be actioned but probably not enough to satisfy demand
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I dont think I have made an secret of the fact that I have wanted to be long haul now for a few years even when things didnt look good I would have still went. So YES but I hope its not too dark over there I will bring my new company issued night torch just in case though.
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"Domestics are the Darkside.
Longhaul is the home of Clarity and Light.
It will take a while for you to become accustomed"
Once again the LHCC arrogance astounds me, but I shouldn't be so surprised any more.
The passengers should be so privileged to fly with you guys!
Longhaul is the home of Clarity and Light.
It will take a while for you to become accustomed"
Once again the LHCC arrogance astounds me, but I shouldn't be so surprised any more.
The passengers should be so privileged to fly with you guys!
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Actually every time i operate a domestic flight the passengers always know straight away its a long haul crew. They get their pre take off drinks well before door closure. They get their jackets off their laps well before the take off drink. The Take off drink is actually a full glass.
After take off the meal/drnks come out quickly and not 6 mins before top of decent.
LH crew are friendly and professional and in most cases so are SH crew that i know...but passengers do like the LH crew there is no doubt
After take off the meal/drnks come out quickly and not 6 mins before top of decent.
LH crew are friendly and professional and in most cases so are SH crew that i know...but passengers do like the LH crew there is no doubt
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great post
Thanks peg for the great post (re qcca), this is the sort of stuff that is great for us newbies.
We had a very exciting day in training today. We did Grooming.......... I have to say the colours for the makeup are great they look fantastic but I will have to remember not to apply the eyeshadow as heavy as the makeup artist did, I came out looking a little like a drag queen (hehehehehe), but overall the totall effect would look great toned down a bit.
We had a very exciting day in training today. We did Grooming.......... I have to say the colours for the makeup are great they look fantastic but I will have to remember not to apply the eyeshadow as heavy as the makeup artist did, I came out looking a little like a drag queen (hehehehehe), but overall the totall effect would look great toned down a bit.
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Chicka...you did NOT look like a drag queen at all, you looked professional and confident. Sensational!!! 
Peg747...thank you time and time again for your clear and concise posts. I have no idea where you fit in, but I appreciate your knowledge and the way you impart it. Many thanks
Peg747...thank you time and time again for your clear and concise posts. I have no idea where you fit in, but I appreciate your knowledge and the way you impart it. Many thanks
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"Actually every time i operate a domestic flight the passengers always know straight away its a long haul crew. They get their pre take off drinks well before door closure. They get their jackets off their laps well before the take off drink. The Take off drink is actually a full glass.
After take off the meal/drnks come out quickly and not 6 mins before top of decent.
LH crew are friendly and professional and in most cases so are SH crew that i know...but passengers do like the LH crew there is no doubt"
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha, funniest post I have read in a while. Talk yourself up Peg! What an ego!
After take off the meal/drnks come out quickly and not 6 mins before top of decent.
LH crew are friendly and professional and in most cases so are SH crew that i know...but passengers do like the LH crew there is no doubt"
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha, funniest post I have read in a while. Talk yourself up Peg! What an ego!
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thanks bbear 75
maybe the drag queen comment was a little exagerated (hehe)
but I do have to say that by the time I got home I looked like I had 2 very dark almost black eyes and my husband got quite a shock, he said that I looked good from a distance but quite scary up close which made me laugh.
I'll just have to remember to wear the colours we were shown today which I loved but not quite as heavy.
but I do have to say that by the time I got home I looked like I had 2 very dark almost black eyes and my husband got quite a shock, he said that I looked good from a distance but quite scary up close which made me laugh.I'll just have to remember to wear the colours we were shown today which I loved but not quite as heavy.
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Funbags....Why have a go at L/H all the time with accusations of arrogance and so on.
Is it not QF tech crew that are called SkyGods by other tech crew here because of a certain attitude?
And.....from memory you are a techy with QF mainline.....are you not....?
Tell me there is no friction between the different tech crews within Qf as well?
Have you heard of the phrase "People in glass houses...etc..."
Is it not QF tech crew that are called SkyGods by other tech crew here because of a certain attitude?
And.....from memory you are a techy with QF mainline.....are you not....?
Tell me there is no friction between the different tech crews within Qf as well?
Have you heard of the phrase "People in glass houses...etc..."
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While very happy to finally have a perm position with long haul...and certainly not complaining...Pegasus, your post.. re pax prefering long haul crew on domestic sectors I find very amusing...
Recently on a Per return,
No Y crew wore aprons
No call bells answered
Ice creams given out while meal trays were in front of pax before tea and coffee. out of foam box with no napkin offered.
Not one water run on either flight.
Have to disagree with you on this issue, short haul have it all over long haul on domestic sectors.... J and Y class...No question about it...
Recently on a Per return,
No Y crew wore aprons
No call bells answered
Ice creams given out while meal trays were in front of pax before tea and coffee. out of foam box with no napkin offered.
Not one water run on either flight.
Have to disagree with you on this issue, short haul have it all over long haul on domestic sectors.... J and Y class...No question about it...
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Hey Grove
Were you Paxing ?
Did you bring any of your observations to the attention of the Onboard Managers.
Which aircraft was this ?
Was it a daylight sector and between which two ports?
BTW anyone can make up stuff like that just to prove a point.
It happens in forums like this all the time.
Observations like yours cannot be proved or disproved.
They do however sound fanciful
Did you bring any of your observations to the attention of the Onboard Managers.
Which aircraft was this ?
Was it a daylight sector and between which two ports?
BTW anyone can make up stuff like that just to prove a point.
It happens in forums like this all the time.
Observations like yours cannot be proved or disproved.
They do however sound fanciful
Last edited by packrat; 5th Apr 2008 at 10:47.