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All employees of QCCA and Qantas Airways are employed as permanent employess either part time or full time. There are currently no casuals or "contract" labour in Long Haul.
The EBA is a five year EBA. But that is NOT a contract. All employess are permanent
The EBA is a five year EBA. But that is NOT a contract. All employess are permanent
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I think rob roy has heard wrong.
No casuals or contract workers in LH.
All of us at QCCA are permanent.
On a side note...this is for Chicka.
Just noticed a few supernumerary or coaching flights are heading up to LAX, so good news for the newbies.
No casuals or contract workers in LH.
All of us at QCCA are permanent.
On a side note...this is for Chicka.
Just noticed a few supernumerary or coaching flights are heading up to LAX, so good news for the newbies.
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SH Casual Crew
Royboy,
When casual crew were first introduced to SH, they were employed by Qantas, not MAM. MAM was started up later. I am pretty sure that all of the original Qantas casuals were given permanent positions, however it is possible that some are still casual, and employed by Qantas (I'm not sure).
When casual crew were first introduced to SH, they were employed by Qantas, not MAM. MAM was started up later. I am pretty sure that all of the original Qantas casuals were given permanent positions, however it is possible that some are still casual, and employed by Qantas (I'm not sure).
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QCCA Pay & Allowances
Congratulations has to go to the Qantas Main Stream FA's and the FAAA for negotiating such a fantastic deal. A five year deal that see's a 3% pay increase for all, a $3000 sign off bonus to current FA's and then a MAJOR reduction in wages for the new kids on the block, bravo!!! 
I just loved reading EBA8, espicially Part 2 - QF Cabin Crew Australia Pty Limited Employees, Clause 3.2 which outlines you annual salary, where do I sign! Then have a look at Clause 3.5 - Incidentals Allowance and rub your hands together with absolute delight when you work out how much extra you'll get on a say SYD LAX flight. Are you ready? 16 hour flight multiply by a whopping $2.60 per flight block hour equals $41.60. Yippeee!!!!
This would have to be one of the biggest EBA monumental stuff ups I've ever seen. For the majority of the QF main stream FA's what a deal, I'm OK Jack bugger you. You people have just lowered FA wages in this country to an all time low, I hope you're all proud of your selves. So much for unity and looking out for the newies. How many years did it take for the past FA's to build up those wages and conditions that you now receive as a FA. Wages and conditions that they once fought for that YOU have just underminded and cut. Sure, the FAAA was able to keep jobs onshore, create more positions and stop the hiring of staff from overseas ports but for what? I'll tell you for what, for $33,475 that's what plus that $41.60 I spoke of earlier should you fly over to LAX.
The jump from FA to CSS is currently $21,525, you'll have to wait two years before you get to that and the jump from CSS to CSM is currently $15,000 and you'll have to wait another four years before you can get to that. Am I starting to paint a real picture here? Dixo must be tickling his stomach with laughter as he watches another three zero's being added to his bonus cheque. Good for him, there's a bloke showing the true Spirit of Australia, onya Dixo!
I'll leave my thoughts at that and will enjoy the feedback as some of you try and convince me that this was a good deal. At the end of the day one only has to down load a copy of this EBA and compare the wage rates that QF Main Stream are getting, Part 1 of EBA 8 verses Part 2 of the EBA which covers the newies with QCCA.
I just loved reading EBA8, espicially Part 2 - QF Cabin Crew Australia Pty Limited Employees, Clause 3.2 which outlines you annual salary, where do I sign! Then have a look at Clause 3.5 - Incidentals Allowance and rub your hands together with absolute delight when you work out how much extra you'll get on a say SYD LAX flight. Are you ready? 16 hour flight multiply by a whopping $2.60 per flight block hour equals $41.60. Yippeee!!!!
This would have to be one of the biggest EBA monumental stuff ups I've ever seen. For the majority of the QF main stream FA's what a deal, I'm OK Jack bugger you. You people have just lowered FA wages in this country to an all time low, I hope you're all proud of your selves. So much for unity and looking out for the newies. How many years did it take for the past FA's to build up those wages and conditions that you now receive as a FA. Wages and conditions that they once fought for that YOU have just underminded and cut. Sure, the FAAA was able to keep jobs onshore, create more positions and stop the hiring of staff from overseas ports but for what? I'll tell you for what, for $33,475 that's what plus that $41.60 I spoke of earlier should you fly over to LAX.
The jump from FA to CSS is currently $21,525, you'll have to wait two years before you get to that and the jump from CSS to CSM is currently $15,000 and you'll have to wait another four years before you can get to that. Am I starting to paint a real picture here? Dixo must be tickling his stomach with laughter as he watches another three zero's being added to his bonus cheque. Good for him, there's a bloke showing the true Spirit of Australia, onya Dixo!
I'll leave my thoughts at that and will enjoy the feedback as some of you try and convince me that this was a good deal. At the end of the day one only has to down load a copy of this EBA and compare the wage rates that QF Main Stream are getting, Part 1 of EBA 8 verses Part 2 of the EBA which covers the newies with QCCA.
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Walk A Mile in My Moccassins
Firstly no one is forcing anybody to become a Flight Attendant.There is a shortage of labour in this country and there are a lot of better paying jobs available.
Other airlines are also recruiting...V Australia for one
The aviation industry has changed and will continue to change.It is no longer a career to be an FA.Get in enjoy it for five years and get out.Use it to move into other areas of the airline.
Any current flight attendant have their families as a priority.Not a group of people they dont know.To suggest otherwise is pure sentimental rubbish.
Be a realist and give up the Mills and Boon.
Gather your QCCA numbers in 5 years time and negotiate a better deal for yourselves.
Repeat no one is forcing anyone to work for QCCA.
If no one applied for the job Qantas would have to increase its offering or employ off shore.
The truth is they have been inundated by applicants.
What does that say?
People want to fly no matter what the T and Cs are.
Tand Cs are determined by supply and demand.The wages being offered are what the market will bear
Get off the soap box!!!
Other airlines are also recruiting...V Australia for one
The aviation industry has changed and will continue to change.It is no longer a career to be an FA.Get in enjoy it for five years and get out.Use it to move into other areas of the airline.
Any current flight attendant have their families as a priority.Not a group of people they dont know.To suggest otherwise is pure sentimental rubbish.
Be a realist and give up the Mills and Boon.
Gather your QCCA numbers in 5 years time and negotiate a better deal for yourselves.
Repeat no one is forcing anyone to work for QCCA.
If no one applied for the job Qantas would have to increase its offering or employ off shore.
The truth is they have been inundated by applicants.
What does that say?
People want to fly no matter what the T and Cs are.
Tand Cs are determined by supply and demand.The wages being offered are what the market will bear
Get off the soap box!!!
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Sky Rider - The Voice
Thanks for the feedback Sky Rider going by your location: The Stratosphere, that's obviously where your head was when you agreed to this EBA. 
Too many people these days just cave in without a fight OR they just worry about themselves and tick the YES box without any thought for the new blood.
Gather your QCCA numbers in 5 years time and negotiate a better deal for yourselves.
So you want us to fix your wrong doings do you? Thanks again Sky Rider this comment only supports what I've been talking about.
If no one applied for the job Qantas would have to increase its offering or employ off shore.
You say 'Qantas would have to increase it's offering'. Interesting, did you voice this at any EBA feedback meetings or was it all about Whats In It For Me? By the sound of things you chose yourself.
The truth is they have been inundated by applicants.
What does that say?
That some of these people obviously still live at home with Mummy & Daddy and don't have a morgage to pay and a family to feed, that's what it says to me!
People want to fly no matter what the T and Cs are.
Would you sign up to this deal Sky Rider if you had a morgage and a family to feed? I think not. Tell me to get off the soap box, pull your head and wakeup and smell the roses. Just the sort of feedback I was expecting.
Too many people these days just cave in without a fight OR they just worry about themselves and tick the YES box without any thought for the new blood.
Gather your QCCA numbers in 5 years time and negotiate a better deal for yourselves.
So you want us to fix your wrong doings do you? Thanks again Sky Rider this comment only supports what I've been talking about.
If no one applied for the job Qantas would have to increase its offering or employ off shore.
You say 'Qantas would have to increase it's offering'. Interesting, did you voice this at any EBA feedback meetings or was it all about Whats In It For Me? By the sound of things you chose yourself.
The truth is they have been inundated by applicants.
What does that say?
That some of these people obviously still live at home with Mummy & Daddy and don't have a morgage to pay and a family to feed, that's what it says to me!
People want to fly no matter what the T and Cs are.
Would you sign up to this deal Sky Rider if you had a morgage and a family to feed? I think not. Tell me to get off the soap box, pull your head and wakeup and smell the roses. Just the sort of feedback I was expecting.
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red baron,
mate it's far too easy to say you are a bunch of dopes for agreeing to this eba but it's a lot more difficult to say what we should have done.
S/H had sold us out and agreed already not only to a B scale but C scale as well to get some or as much of our flying as possible.Since that had happened our options were limited to say the least.
I'm no fan of our union but for an engineer to have a shot at us is rich especially when you look at what some of your guys have done and the mess you guys are in.
4 posts since feb 2006 - brilliant.Your not married to someone named Veronica are you?
Go on,I'm waiting for you to tell us what we should have done and how we should have done it.Remember it takes about 5 weeks to train up new cabin crew not like engineers or pilots.But tell us what we should have done.I'm waiting with baited breath
mate it's far too easy to say you are a bunch of dopes for agreeing to this eba but it's a lot more difficult to say what we should have done.
S/H had sold us out and agreed already not only to a B scale but C scale as well to get some or as much of our flying as possible.Since that had happened our options were limited to say the least.
I'm no fan of our union but for an engineer to have a shot at us is rich especially when you look at what some of your guys have done and the mess you guys are in.
4 posts since feb 2006 - brilliant.Your not married to someone named Veronica are you?
Go on,I'm waiting for you to tell us what we should have done and how we should have done it.Remember it takes about 5 weeks to train up new cabin crew not like engineers or pilots.But tell us what we should have done.I'm waiting with baited breath
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I wouldnt dream of posting on the Engineering thread and making any sort of comment on your EBA even if I had read the documents. Were you at any of our FAAA meetings ? So can you please just go and pull your head in and just go away. This topic has been dicsussed ad nauseum on this thread months ago and not surprisingly there were other posters who would agree with you.
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Red Baron Rejected Take Off
Get a knockback did you?You probably failed the Hogan
Want to earn the big bucks?
Get into IT or go and work on Groote Island.
Obviously working for Qantas as Crew is not for you.
Your head is in a place where the sun dont shine.
Want to earn the big bucks?
Get into IT or go and work on Groote Island.
Obviously working for Qantas as Crew is not for you.
Your head is in a place where the sun dont shine.
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Complaining and Vitriol
....from the Usual Suspects will achieve....absolutley nothing.
Get over it.... its a done deal....look to the future and not the past.
Your contribution is nothing but criticism.
There will be 2500 people who will be happy about having a job flying.
The Battle of Agincourt is over...do you want to complain about that result too?
Get over it.... its a done deal....look to the future and not the past.
Your contribution is nothing but criticism.
There will be 2500 people who will be happy about having a job flying.
The Battle of Agincourt is over...do you want to complain about that result too?
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what a shame!!!
Its such a shame we have so many small minded individuals that post on this thread only to cause a stir or get a rise out of people.
In response to red barons comments. I have accepted the position with QCCA, I do have a mortgage and family, and was well aware of what the conditions were before accepting the position. The job I have just left was with another australian airline in a position which is considered to be highly sort after in any airline, yet I was only being paid 45K per year while my staff where earning an additional 15k more than me, because they were on shift and I was Mon-Fri yet I was dealing with all the crap and I had all the responsibility.
Now I have accepted a position where a. I get to use my customer service skills back on the front line, B. I get to travel and see the world and C. I will be earning more than what I was in my previous job.
Yeah I am completely devistated that EBA 8 was agreed too (this is completely sacastic as i am very happy with the eba8), I personally would like to say thankyou to the LHCC that voted because without you guys none of us NEWBIES would have this fantastic opportunity to go for!(this is a positive comment
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In response to red barons comments. I have accepted the position with QCCA, I do have a mortgage and family, and was well aware of what the conditions were before accepting the position. The job I have just left was with another australian airline in a position which is considered to be highly sort after in any airline, yet I was only being paid 45K per year while my staff where earning an additional 15k more than me, because they were on shift and I was Mon-Fri yet I was dealing with all the crap and I had all the responsibility.
Now I have accepted a position where a. I get to use my customer service skills back on the front line, B. I get to travel and see the world and C. I will be earning more than what I was in my previous job.
Yeah I am completely devistated that EBA 8 was agreed too (this is completely sacastic as i am very happy with the eba8), I personally would like to say thankyou to the LHCC that voted because without you guys none of us NEWBIES would have this fantastic opportunity to go for!
(this is a positive comment)
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SOOOO,
Is anyone actually happy in their career as Cabin Crew at Qantas or not.
I see people smiling at the baggage room. Smiling in the cafe. Smiling in the lift.
Or is it a facade.
Just a heads up would be great so all the new crew know what to expect out on line because at this stage I am too scared to go crew rest just in case I see a bitch fight between fellow crew.
Any positives about the job might be nice too.
Is anyone actually happy in their career as Cabin Crew at Qantas or not.
I see people smiling at the baggage room. Smiling in the cafe. Smiling in the lift.
Or is it a facade.
Just a heads up would be great so all the new crew know what to expect out on line because at this stage I am too scared to go crew rest just in case I see a bitch fight between fellow crew.
Any positives about the job might be nice too.
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The Longhaul Culture
Contrary to what you may read here Longhaul is like a like family.It has a variety of ages and experience levels.There is a multitude of work backgounds and ethnicities.There is never a time you go to work and dont learn something.It is above all an education about cultures countries and people.
Crew help one another both on the aircraft and in slip ports.Its been a long time since there has been recruitment and it will take a little adjusting to, and becoming aware that, there are new crew around that need assistance.
Its a great job and lifestyle like no other.You will occasionally find some unpleasantness and accordingly some unpleasant people.These people and circumstances make up about 5%.
Ignore the pettiness and unpleasantness in this forum.Also remember that there are those who purport to be crew and who in actual fact are not.For some baiting is a sport, simply designed to satisfy the fragile egos of those that indulge in it.
The fun begins when the front door closes.Forget about the office politics and the pedantic nonsense that is endemic in QCC1.Feel sorry for those who are subjected to it on a daily basis.Flying means working with different people every trip and not having to tolerate the mundaness of 9 to 5.No two trips or crew are the same.It takes a little getting use to.Give yourself and your body a year or two to acclimatize.The jetlag and the arduous nature of the job will knock you about.Organize yourself a massage at least once a month and find a good podiatrist for your feet.
Just enjoy the whole experience for what it is.Dont be distracted by the very small group of recalcitrants and whingers.
At briefing let the crew know you are new.They will be understanding and helpful.Introduce yourself.Find out what others are doing in port and ask if you can tag along.Everyone remembers their first trip and how lost they.
felt.
Give yourself time to settle in.
The lifestyle is addictive.Its why so many crew stay for so long
The Crew Community does not tolerate those who do not pull their weight.
If you have a problem with someone try to sought it out with them.
If you are unsuccessful take it to one of the onboard managers.You have as much right as anyone to be a repected team member.You do not have to accept rudeness from another crew member.
Crew help one another both on the aircraft and in slip ports.Its been a long time since there has been recruitment and it will take a little adjusting to, and becoming aware that, there are new crew around that need assistance.
Its a great job and lifestyle like no other.You will occasionally find some unpleasantness and accordingly some unpleasant people.These people and circumstances make up about 5%.
Ignore the pettiness and unpleasantness in this forum.Also remember that there are those who purport to be crew and who in actual fact are not.For some baiting is a sport, simply designed to satisfy the fragile egos of those that indulge in it.
The fun begins when the front door closes.Forget about the office politics and the pedantic nonsense that is endemic in QCC1.Feel sorry for those who are subjected to it on a daily basis.Flying means working with different people every trip and not having to tolerate the mundaness of 9 to 5.No two trips or crew are the same.It takes a little getting use to.Give yourself and your body a year or two to acclimatize.The jetlag and the arduous nature of the job will knock you about.Organize yourself a massage at least once a month and find a good podiatrist for your feet.
Just enjoy the whole experience for what it is.Dont be distracted by the very small group of recalcitrants and whingers.
At briefing let the crew know you are new.They will be understanding and helpful.Introduce yourself.Find out what others are doing in port and ask if you can tag along.Everyone remembers their first trip and how lost they.
felt.
Give yourself time to settle in.
The lifestyle is addictive.Its why so many crew stay for so long
The Crew Community does not tolerate those who do not pull their weight.
If you have a problem with someone try to sought it out with them.
If you are unsuccessful take it to one of the onboard managers.You have as much right as anyone to be a repected team member.You do not have to accept rudeness from another crew member.
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Thank you Sky Rider...more positive posts are most welcome for us newbies and wannabees.
To everyone else contributing to the tired A vs B argument...please do what the majority of QCCA have been able to do and accept it and move on! It doesn't even affect half of you so stop going on and on and on about it. Seriously, there are more important things in life than arguing about whether someone you don't know can afford to feed their dog with their new job, and if they can't then who's fault was it? Who cares? Every QCCA is an adult, it's kinda a pre-requisite of the job. We're big boys and girls, we are able to look after ourselves ( and I am quite sure that everyone is grateful that we're getting a chance to follow our dreams instead of watching foreigners follow theirs ) Seriously...Enough!
To everyone else contributing to the tired A vs B argument...please do what the majority of QCCA have been able to do and accept it and move on! It doesn't even affect half of you so stop going on and on and on about it. Seriously, there are more important things in life than arguing about whether someone you don't know can afford to feed their dog with their new job, and if they can't then who's fault was it? Who cares? Every QCCA is an adult, it's kinda a pre-requisite of the job. We're big boys and girls, we are able to look after ourselves
( and I am quite sure that everyone is grateful that we're getting a chance to follow our dreams instead of watching foreigners follow theirs ) Seriously...Enough!
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On promotions for QCCA....there are about a dozen or so QCCA flight attendants who have just been promoted to CSS (base salary 55K) some of these ppl will possibly be appointed to CSM in the next couple of rounds. (BAse salary 70K)
No wait of 2 years or 4 years. Its a merit system where if you perform well you will be promoted on merit. The 2 and 4 years is only for preference is all other things are equal. QCCA crew are not aliens they are long haul crew like all the others.
In time the gap between QCCA and QAL crew will be narrowed. But the jobs had to be created here in the first place. What i would say to the engineers is this.....YOu have skills that are hard to replace. you are thinking of taking industrial action to get a 5% pay rise. I say good luck to you. If anyone has the ability to get more than 3% it will be you guys. Given that the pilots are getting less meal allowances than flight attendants for the last 2 years and that engineers and pilots have never achieved more than 3% a year in EBA's i wait with baited breath for your EBA outcome
No wait of 2 years or 4 years. Its a merit system where if you perform well you will be promoted on merit. The 2 and 4 years is only for preference is all other things are equal. QCCA crew are not aliens they are long haul crew like all the others.
In time the gap between QCCA and QAL crew will be narrowed. But the jobs had to be created here in the first place. What i would say to the engineers is this.....YOu have skills that are hard to replace. you are thinking of taking industrial action to get a 5% pay rise. I say good luck to you. If anyone has the ability to get more than 3% it will be you guys. Given that the pilots are getting less meal allowances than flight attendants for the last 2 years and that engineers and pilots have never achieved more than 3% a year in EBA's i wait with baited breath for your EBA outcome