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pilotmike 11th June 2023 06:12


Originally Posted by Rescue3 (Post 11449010)
let the west go for the juggler..

Are you just tossing that idea into the air and seeing if anyone will catch it?

ORAC 11th June 2023 07:23

https://fl360aero.com/detail/today-w...rt-canada/1375

Today we announced the seizure of the Russian Antonov cargo aircraft at Pearson Airport : Canada

Government of Canada orders seizure of Russian-registered cargo aircraft and announced the hand over of the confiscated Antonov An-124 aircraft (RA-82078) "Ruslan" cargo plane , that has been grounded at Toronto Pearson International Airport (YYZ/CYYZ) since February, to Ukraine.

Canadian Minister of Foreign Affairs, Mélanie Joly, today announced that the Government of Canada had ordered the seizure of a Russian-registered cargo aircraft currently grounded at Toronto Pearson Airport, pursuant to the
Special Economic Measures Act…

The targeted Russian aircraft, an Antonov 124, is believed to be owned by a subsidiary of Volga-Dnepr Airlines LLC and Volga-Dnepr Group, two entities against which Canada recently imposed sanctions due to their complicity in President Putin’s war of choice.

The seizure of the asset was made possible by the new asset seizure and forfeiture authorities under Canada’s autonomous sanctions regimes put forward in Budget 2022 and is in direct response to Russia’s full-scale invasion of Ukraine that began on February 24, 2022….

The Government of Canada will seize the asset and manage it in accordance with federal legislation. Should the asset ultimately be forfeited to the Crown, Canada will work with the Government of Ukraine on options to redistribute this asset to compensate victims of human rights abuses, restore international peace and security, or rebuild Ukraine….

NutLoose 11th June 2023 08:37

Rainfall expected for next few days

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NutLoose 11th June 2023 08:46

From this guy

https://twitter.com/ChengWeiLai2


Yesterday, the news from the Ukrainian frontline reported that Ukraine lost 2 Leopard 2 tanks and 13 Bradley armored vehicles during the counterattack in Zaporizhzhia area, and the losses were all in the same location. Many people started to accuse the commander of the 47th Brigade, Valery Markus, of improper command. However, the 47th Brigade Commander's operational command was correct. The keyboard generals who criticized the brigade commander clearly lacked the basic knowledge of tank operations in modern warfare. The fact that the tanks were concentrated in the same position could only mean one thing: that they were passing through a mine field. Since the Russian military had intercepted the Ukrainian army's counter-attack intelligence early (as I analyzed in my Youtube broadcast two months ago), they laid a lot of anti-tank mines in the front line. In an area full of tank mines, engineers and minesweepers must be dispatched to clear the mines and then clear a path for the tanks to pass through, so the tanks move forward on the same route. This was the correct and efficient way to proceed. And why do I say that the brigade commander's operational command was correct? The reason is that the brigade commander sent engineers to clear a path before the battle started, instead of waiting until the first tank or armored vehicle was destroyed before starting to clear the mines, which means he fully considered the possibility of anti-tank mines. As a result, the tanks were destroyed by artillery fire halfway through the battle. Then why did Ukraine still lose 2 Leopard 2 tanks and 13 Bradley infantry fighting vehicles? The answer is that the tactical design of the anti-tank mines is such that the commander would set up enemy-free passages in specific areas and lure the enemy deeper to destroy them with artillery fire. The most famous example of this tactic is the Second Battle of El Alamein in World War II, where General Rommel used anti-tank mine tactics to make the British suffer, so I have edited a documentary full of this battle from the National Geographic Channel so that you can understand how difficult it was for armored troops to get through the mined areas. Therefore, my conclusion is that such losses are normal and understandable under the Russian anti-tank mines. The Ukrainian commanders did not make any obvious mistakes. The ones who are “to blame” are the “military experts” who do not understand the common sense of modern warfare and are eager to criticize the Ukrainian officers for their misconduct
The Nat Geo article
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NutLoose 11th June 2023 08:51

Russia to take all volunteers and PMC troops into the army under contract… that will go down well……not.
Prigozhin Will be fuming and he pays his men better so they will be too.


NutLoose 11th June 2023 08:57

Russia now moving troops from the Kherson region. Hence why they dropped the dam.


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StephanKoelliker 11th June 2023 08:58


Originally Posted by fdr (Post 11448685)
attached is a time domain seismic record from NORSAR, the Norwegian Seismic Survey - Nuclear Explosion tracking system. They use a sensor array 600km to the W of Nova Kakhovka, that recorded the following:


https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....1233e2fefd.png


There is what has been described as a sharp spike consistent with an explosion at the 01:55:51.5 time period above, on 6 June 2023, located within a 20-30km of the dam, they are still working on refining the location. The time offset for the transmission to the receiver places that explosion at 01:54 Norwegian time (time delay of around 2 minutes for the transmission through the crust). Time on the chart is Norwegian local time, Ukraine time is +1 hr on that. The extended analysis has suggested to the same analysts that an earlier smaller seismic event happened around 20 minutes earlier at the same location. An FFT frequency analysis would be interesting but it is probable that this is an explosion.

It's interesting to connect this to the (russian?) IR video I had linked above. On this video, around 02:48 local time (which would 01:48 on the above chart) the doors were already breached, but the turbine building was still OK.


Originally Posted by fdr (Post 11448685)
The array can achieve a phase comparison for localising the bearing and distance, other arrays or sensors would increase the accuracy, but it is attributed to the destruction of the dam at this time. The estimates magnitude as an earthquake is not particularly high, Magnitude 1.5-2 is relatively low energy, but the conversion from a detonation to a seismic event is not provided. They have at least earlier records that they can assess the explosive charge, the photos of November show large detonations and give timings, that record would be interesting to compare.

I have seen another version of that video which shows a small underwater explosion (probably a mine) which had no immediatly visible effect, also around that time frame (around 02:50 local time). Connected to the detected small blast??

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NutLoose 11th June 2023 10:27

Blagodatne Freed


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NutLoose 11th June 2023 10:35

Effect of the flooding on the crop regions of Kherson.

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NutLoose 11th June 2023 10:42

Russias latest military bodge job.

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Tartiflette Fan 11th June 2023 10:55


Originally Posted by NutLoose (Post 11449180)
From this guy

https://twitter.com/ChengWeiLai2

The fact that the tanks were concentrated in the same position could only mean one thing: that they were passing through a mine field.


https://twitter.com/ChengWeiLai2/sta...996354/video/4

I can understand why they were concentrated ( in a line) but not why they were so close together. The destroyed/damaged vehicles were mostly just a few metres apart as shown on video.

NutLoose 11th June 2023 10:56

Russia’s territorial aim, I do hope he has packed his bags and is looking for different areas to live and a new job.

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NutLoose 11th June 2023 11:00


Originally Posted by Tartiflette Fan (Post 11449244)
I can understand why they were concentrated ( in a line) but not why they were so close together. The destroyed/damaged vehicles were mostly just a few metres apart as shown on video.

I read elsewhere the oncoming vehicles tried to get past those knocked out to carry out the advance, but couldn’t due to the minefield either side, so got knocked out, if you look there is a mine clearing vehicle off to one side that looks like it was attempting to clear a path.

I would imagine trying to reverse along a narrow cleared path through a minefield would be a nightmare, especially under fire.

Tartiflette Fan 11th June 2023 11:57


Originally Posted by NutLoose (Post 11449246)
I read elsewhere the oncoming vehicles tried to get past those knocked out to carry out the advance, but couldn’t due to the minefield either side, so got knocked out, if you look there is a mine clearing vehicle off to one side that looks like it was attempting to clear a path.

I would imagine trying to reverse along a narrow cleared path through a minefield would be a nightmare, especially under fire.

I thought of that as a possibility, but it makes no sense to press forward and then wait in a group. Surely more sensible to keep spacing, see if first vehicle gets through safely and only then move up.

EDIT: This blogger talks about the ambush from 8:40 with stills.

ORAC 11th June 2023 12:32

"PMC Wagner will not sign any contracts with Shoigu," Prigozhin commented on the new decree, according to which the fighters of volunteer formations are required to sign a contract with the Russian Ministry of Defense.

“Wagner is organically integrated into the overall system, we coordinate with experienced generals, unit commanders. A highly effective structure. Unfortunately, most RF military units do not have such efficiency because Shoigu cannot manage military formations," he added.

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ACW342 11th June 2023 13:06

FVEY
 

Originally Posted by fdr (Post 11449093)
There is, and that is why it is quite odious to find FVEY documents noted on Counts 8 and 12 of the indictment document 3 of Case 9:23-cr-80101, USA v Trump & Nauta.

The limit of unauthorised disclosure requires both compliance with the laws related to confidentiality, and the enforcement of deliberate breaches. The US HoR's Speaker, and a substantial number of the GoP have attacked the actions of the Special Counsel and the investigation and the levelling of charges against 45, and his immediate co-conspirator, these politicians all having sworn oaths to uphold the laws of the USA, and yet they are challenging the enforcement of prima facie deliberate criminal actions breaching handling of classified documents, risking US and other countries interests and intel gathering efforts, and potentially placing at mortal risk HUMINT. How that does not result in their revocation of access to classified materials is lost on me, I know it would in my country, which is a FVEY partner.

FVEY? i’m aware of UK Eyes only and similar but haven’t heard of FVEY. Oh, by the way, the laws of the USA, and to a certain extent the UK and others, only apply to certain politicians and others of that ilk, if they help that politician or person or others to get or retain certain powers or position or riches. Otherwise those laws are deemed by them and theirs not to be applicable to them and theirs, as they are barriers to obtaining those certain powers or positions or riches. The result for those who hold such beliefs usually end up in jail and, even worse, loss of those powers or positions or riches. IMHO of course.

A342

ORAC 11th June 2023 15:31

Ukrainian partisans have reportedly cut the railway line in Russian-occupied Yakymivka, between the Russian-occupied cities of Dzhankoy and Melitopol/Tokmak. Explosions can be seen on pictures and it is claimed it is from the local rail bridge.

The main train artery is leading through this city (green line in my map).


https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....d55e54d01.jpeg

Apparently it’s more than just the tracks, they blew a bridge when the train was approaching and the bridge is down…


​​​​​​​https://twitter.com/andrewperpetua/s...HhlFHGKbTPQr_A
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NutLoose 11th June 2023 16:40

And another train…

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NutLoose 11th June 2023 16:42

And one in Belarus

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NutLoose 11th June 2023 22:16

The advance is going well. And communities are returning home to Ukraine.





On the Left Bank, the occupiers' weapons warehouses were washed away: the current carries ammunition and mines into the sea and to the shores" - Humenyuk "The full-fledged counteroffensive has not yet begun" - CNN
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