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Tartiflette Fan 27th Feb 2022 18:03


Originally Posted by Baldeep Inminj (Post 11191706)
Precisely. Putin wants Ukraine to be a productive part of Russia. For that reason I believe his plan would be to throw a Nuke at another actor, probably in Europe. He will then say to Ukraine
‘You are next if you do not surrender’. .

I think that is demented: almost guaranteeing a nuclear exchange with NATO as a threat to the Ukraine ?. Certainly a good chance that the order would somehow be ignored.

Flyhighfirst 27th Feb 2022 18:07

The most bewildering thing is seeing Putin putting nuclear units on alert because other governments said bad things about him, and imposed “illegal” sanctions on him… after he invaded a sovereign country!

It would be a laughable if it weren’t so serious.

Flyhighfirst 27th Feb 2022 18:12


Originally Posted by Beamr (Post 11191701)
The Oligharcs are turning against Putin

Financial Times:
Mikhail Fridman speaks out against Ukrainian conflict in letter to staff

Mikhail Fridman, one of Russia’s richest men, said the war in Ukraine was a “tragedy” and called on the “bloodshed” to end after president Vladimir Putin launched a full-scale invasion of the country.

In a letter sent to staff at his London-headquartered private equity firm LetterOne on Friday and seen by the Financial Times, the billionaire said he was “convinced” that “war can never be the answer.”

https://www.ft.com/content/9b3ab6bb-...c-42d937147463

also on Reuters, Fridman with Oleg Deripaska, another Russian billionaire.

LONDON, Feb 27 (Reuters) - Two Russian billionaires, Mikhail Fridman and Oleg Deripaska, called for an end to the conflict triggered by President Vladimir Putin's assault on Ukraine, with Fridman calling it a tragedy for both countries' people.
  • Ukraine conflict is a tragedy - Fridman
  • Deripaska says peace talks should begin
  • One billionaire: the war is catastrophic

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe...ys-2022-02-27/

Yet Roman Abromovich refuses to even mention the Russian invasion in his press conferences. Seize his assets put him on a commercial flight and be rid of!

NutLoose 27th Feb 2022 18:13


Originally Posted by ex-fast-jets (Post 11191651)
I fear that we are closer to a nuclear exchange now than we ever were during the "Cold War".

Maybe not strategic - I hope not - but possibly tactical.

I shall continue with my sleepless nights.


I think Chernobyl showed that there is no such thing as a tactical nuke these days, the sh*t would spread throughout Europe. I never signed up to the idea of tactical nukes as a separate idea from a full blown nuclear exchange, use one and the other will follow in short order.

RatherBeFlying 27th Feb 2022 18:15

I just hope enough NLAWs and Stingers are getting to the right hands. The Ukrainians can end up with a bunch of free armor if Vlad can't get fuel to his columns, read the Ukrainians take out Vlad's tanker trucks.

Longer term (fingers crossed no nuke triggers are pulled) we need to ensure that the Baltic states including Finland are well supplied with NLAWs and Stingers with the civilian population trained and organized in using them.

Not to take anything away from the Ukrainians, but Switzerland is the example to follow in organizing civilian defenses.
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ORAC 27th Feb 2022 18:15

Russian bank Tinkoff now offering to exchange rubles for dollars at a rate of 171 rubles per dollar. It was 83 before the European/US announcement about targeting the Russian central bank.

Currency market formally opens tomorrow. This is brutal.


https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....4efe87964.jpeg

Beamr 27th Feb 2022 18:15


Originally Posted by Flyhighfirst (Post 11191722)
Yet Roman Abromovich refuses to even mention the Russian invasion in his press conferences. Seize his assets put him on a commercial flight and be rid of!

as there are issues in delivering anything via air mail to Russia, he'll have to cross the border by foot... via Ukraine.

MPN11 27th Feb 2022 18:21


Originally Posted by fab777 (Post 11191715)
So far, Putin has achieved something incredible: unity within the EU, and quick decisions being taken in Brussels. Thank you Vlad....

Not to mention the DE Defence Budget boost, and of course the perspectives of other Nations in that area. I thought the Turkiye response surprisingly favourable, and the Finns are undoubtedly having deep thoughts given their history vis a vis Russia. Essentially, Vlad the Mad has achieved many things the West has been trying to do for decades.

charliegolf 27th Feb 2022 18:46


Originally Posted by Baldeep Inminj (Post 11191706)
Precisely. Putin wants Ukraine to be a productive part of Russia. For that reason I believe his plan would be to throw a Nuke at another actor, probably in Europe. He will then say to Ukraine
‘You are next if you do not surrender’.

So Switzerland or the erstwhile Yugoslavia then? Assuming he doesn't want the Mayday parade spoiled...

CG

NutLoose 27th Feb 2022 18:49

US response, basically we can nuke you too.


Flyhighfirst 27th Feb 2022 18:51


Originally Posted by Beamr (Post 11191726)
as there are issues in delivering anything via air mail to Russia, he'll have to cross the border by foot... via Ukraine.

At least they will give him a gun in his way through!!

NutLoose 27th Feb 2022 19:00


Originally Posted by charliegolf (Post 11191744)
So Switzerland or the erstwhile Yugoslavia then? Assuming he doesn't want the Mayday parade spoiled...

CG

There might be a few gaps in his mayday parade.

NutLoose 27th Feb 2022 19:07

Farmer pinching an APC, it probably would make a good farming tractor. :)


If true, it’s probably the first tank ever stolen by a farmer… )) Ukrainians are tough cookies indeed. #StandWithUkraine#russiagohome
https://pbs.twimg.com/ext_tw_video_t...jpg&name=small

another Farmer having one away lol


Baldeep Inminj 27th Feb 2022 19:08


Originally Posted by Tartiflette Fan (Post 11191716)
I think that is demented: almost guaranteeing a nuclear exchange with NATO as a threat to the Ukraine ?. Certainly a good chance that the order would somehow be ignored.

I agree completely- he is demented, and I think he is facing his own Armageddon and will take as many as he can with him.

MPN11 27th Feb 2022 19:22


Originally Posted by NutLoose (Post 11191759)
Farmer pinching an APC, it probably would make a good farming tractor. :)

hahaha … Liverpool comes to Eastern Europe!

ORAC 27th Feb 2022 19:22

Sky reporting the US embassy in Moscow is advising all Americans in Russia to leave immediately.

”An increasing number of airlines are cancelling flights into and out of Russia, and numerous countries have closed their airspace to Russian airlines. U.S. citizens should consider departing Russia immediately via commercial options still available.

The U.S. Embassy reminds U.S. citizens that the Department of State’s Travel Advisory level for Russia is at “Level 4: Do Not Travel.”…..

NutLoose 27th Feb 2022 19:29

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....7694bb8cf.jpeg
Most of what I’ve seen on the web are poor conscripts that are young, under trained and poorly lead, often left to their own devices without food or fuel.


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