Originally Posted by NutLoose
(Post 11331571)
Do you not think that a single strike on any base etc that has launched a missile into a nato country is not a proportional response if proved to be the case?
Now take your 'This is War' reflex and eat crow. Poland Says Missile Was Likely Fired by Ukraine Air Defense (msn.com)
Originally Posted by JanetFlight
(Post 11331640)
So...if that is the case, would Poland and NATO invoke the article 5 against Ukraine?
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Originally Posted by ORAC
(Post 11331661)
Croatia 🇭🇷 will provide Ukraine 🇺🇦 with 14 Mi-8 helicopters to get US Blackhawk helicopters in return reports a Croatian Newspaper.
Originally Posted by Video Mixdown
(Post 11331663)
This only happened because Russia is firing missiles at Ukraine.
Originally Posted by Timmy Tomkins
(Post 11331675)
"Never let a good crisis go to waste" Article 4 allows enhanced security measures to be taken. So now is the time for that aicraft deal to be resurected. US F16s for Polish Migs etc that can now legitimately go to Ukraine, along with any other goodies deemed necessary
Gotta hand it to the Viper team: a design (with upgrades, of course) that has stood the test of time and is beginning to remind me of the C-130 as regards usability and popularity. @gums, you and the gang done good! :ok: But hang on: now that Sweden is about to Join NATO, maybe the Grippen would be an option? *gets popcorn* :} |
Originally Posted by JanetFlight
(Post 11331640)
So...if that is the case, would Poland and NATO invoke the article 5 against Ukraine?
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Originally Posted by NutLoose
(Post 11331199)
Russians film a tank trying to breech a Pyramid from their defence line as a demonstration of their effectiveness
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Originally Posted by Sue Vêtements
(Post 11331773)
Aren't they just showing everyone how crap their tanks are?
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Originally Posted by Buster Hyman
(Post 11331702)
If correct, thank God wiser heads prevailed & it was fully investigated before acting.
yes NATO saying it was a Ukrainian missile |
Originally Posted by Tartiflette Fan
(Post 11331779)
and their engineers. if the "teeth" are simply plonked down individually , with no inter-connection - any bladed tank will just be able to punch through at any point to enable a break-through.
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Originally Posted by Asturias56
(Post 11331792)
yes NATO saying it was a Ukrainian missile
No further word from Moldova, an errant S-300 fired in self-defense is looking like the case, with Russia still the responsible party. |
Originally Posted by Lonewolf_50
(Post 11331764)
A NATO response, taken collectively, is done after consultation, not as a reflex. You do not understand Article V.
Now take your 'This is War' reflex and eat crow. Now take your 'This is War' reflex and eat crow. |
NATO should immediately invoke Article V and invade Ukraine, and hold whoever was responsible for this heinous attack to account. Surely Russia would accept this?
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Where would you stop? the Kerch bridge? ;)
BTW let's not forget the two innocent Poles in all of this, just going about their daily lives. |
Originally Posted by Video Mixdown
(Post 11331663)
Whatever the source of the missile I too find this rush to absolve Russia of blame distasteful. This only happened because Russia is firing missiles at Ukraine.
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Originally Posted by Timmy Tomkins
(Post 11331836)
I agree and whilst NATO has sort of said that too we are still awaiting a response and there should be one. Not necessarily a strike but use the opportunity to put more kit - whatever form - into Ukraine and anywhere else that may be useful. What's Putin gonns do?
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Originally Posted by NutLoose
(Post 11331804)
Yes I do understand it
TW let's not forget the two innocent Poles in all of this, just going about their daily lives.
Originally Posted by Timmy Tomkins
I agree and whilst NATO has sort of said that too we are still awaiting a response and there should be one. Not necessarily a strike but use the opportunity to put more kit - whatever form - into Ukraine and anywhere else that may be useful. What's Putin gonna do?
I saw something in the news about a new aid package being bandied about in Washington to the tune of over 30 billion, will see if anything substantive is in that story. I am guessing more air defense, and more artillery, and more fundamental stuff like winter clothes and spare parts. And ammo. This is kind of vague, not sure of the rumors of the 30 billion is a rumor, or if that number came from somewhere credible (Secretary of State, House of Representatives, etc). Says here that the Swedes are offering some more Air Defense assets. STOCKHOLM, Nov 16 (Reuters) - Sweden will deliver new military aid worth 3 billion crowns ($287 million) to Ukraine, its biggest package of defence material to date which included an air defence system, Prime Minister Ulf Kristersson said. |
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Hmmm I wonder if that is Zelensky saying it is possibly a cover up by western leaders to prevent them having to take further action? It hints at that.
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Originally Posted by NutLoose
(Post 11331917)
Hmmm I wonder if that is Zelensky saying it is possibly a cover up by western leaders to prevent them having to take further action? It hints at that.
He needs to walk a fine line, and has had to since before 24 Feb. If he makes a careless move he may lose support from some of the folks who are, to date, offering him support. Between a rock and a hard place, he is. |
Agree ... surprised he's ducking the issue. A simple "Sorry, we're busy having a War here" would have sufficed. But the poor sod is under so much pressure, I really feel sympathy for him.
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I would imagine somewhere on the remains there will be a serial number that can be traced, however such as the war is, both sides have been using captured weaponry so tracing may be impossible.
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Ukraine now has fire control over Russia’s three main supply routes, it just got worse as the alternate is a journey of 80-120Km for artillery shells.
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