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Dan Gerous 29th Mar 2023 18:25


Originally Posted by Wokkafans (Post 11410995)
Following on from Nutty's post about the "Predator," here's an interview with him. Big balls.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MmZD...glishSubtitles

I tried to open that link and was asked to verify my age. Given all the porn and other crap on youtube, easily accesible without verification, what is it that is so bad about this that requires age verification?

212man 29th Mar 2023 18:48


Originally Posted by Dan Gerous (Post 11411149)
I tried to open that link and was asked to verify my age. Given all the porn and other crap on youtube, easily accesible without verification, what is it that is so bad about this that requires age verification?

someone being killed, I guess.

Wokkafans 29th Mar 2023 18:57


Originally Posted by 212man (Post 11411169)
someone being killed, I guess.

Yes, several.

It's a good video as it gives a breakdown of what was happening, which was quite unclear from the original Twitter video. You also get to see how close the BMP and Russian troops were to the trench.

MJ89 29th Mar 2023 21:31


Originally Posted by Wokkafans (Post 11410995)
Following on from Nutty's post about the "Predator," here's an interview with him. Big balls.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MmZD...glishSubtitles

Guys got the Vision, and balls

NutLoose 30th Mar 2023 02:41

Is it me or are these lot now talking of defeat and ending it now on Russian TV?


An interesting comment was mentioned in it too…

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....329cf4e71.jpeg

jolihokistix 30th Mar 2023 03:27

When they get angry enough, the truth starts to flash out in dangerous spikes.

I'd like to give you a like, Nutty, but I don't like it. It gives me a knot in the stomach. I feel sorry for the Russian populace who have been tricked and check-mated by those who would, should have led them in a good and fruitful direction.

To give him a way out, why can't Putin just say, "OK, we've taught them the lesson that I had warned them about and promised. We've mashed the lands and cities up real good for both Ukrainians and Russian-speaking Ukrainians alike. That's enough for now; it's getting boring, we're heading home."(?)
"Oh, and if you annoy us again, we're coming back!"

JustinHeywood 30th Mar 2023 03:47


Originally Posted by jolihokistix (Post 11411386)

.....To give him a way out, why can't Putin just say, "OK, we've taught them the lesson that I had warned them about and promised. ....That's enough for now; it's getting boring, we're heading home."(?)
"Oh, and if you annoy us again, we're coming back!"

I doubt that's a realistic option. Autocrats rule by strength, or the perception of it. If Russia loses in the Ukraine, Putin won't be quietly retiring to his dacha and joining the speaker's circuit.
It's victory or death for him.

Winemaker 30th Mar 2023 04:24


Originally Posted by NutLoose (Post 11411369)
Is it me or are these lot now talking of defeat and ending it now on Russian TV?



https://youtu.be/AiNfWXBbg4A

An interesting comment was mentioned in it too…

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....329cf4e71.jpeg

Holy F**k!!! This is the most I have ever heard official Russkie TV admit things aren't going well. To even bring up the reality of the situation is amazing. Unfortunately, for Russia, this is some solid and honest analysis. How will Russkie persons react to this? Is this an official start to understanding the end?

Winemaker 30th Mar 2023 04:28


Originally Posted by jolihokistix (Post 11411386)
When they get angry enough, the truth starts to flash out in dangerous spikes.

I'd like to give you a like, Nutty, but I don't like it. It gives me a knot in the stomach. I feel sorry for the Russian populace who have been tricked and check-mated by those who would, should have led them in a good and fruitful direction.

To give him a way out, why can't Putin just say, "OK, we've taught them the lesson that I had warned them about and promised. We've mashed the lands and cities up real good for both Ukrainians and Russian-speaking Ukrainians alike. That's enough for now; it's getting boring, we're heading home."(?)
"Oh, and if you annoy us again, we're coming back!"

It would be difficult to justify the 100,000 ± Russian deaths for no reason. And of course they would ignore the Ukrainian deaths.....

jolihokistix 30th Mar 2023 04:48


Originally Posted by Winemaker (Post 11411401)
Holy F**k!!! This is the most I have ever heard official Russkie TV admit things aren't going well. To even bring up the reality of the situation is amazing. Unfortunately, for Russia, this is some solid and honest analysis. How will Russkie persons react to this? Is this an official start to understanding the end?

True. And also interesting to note that these guys have been watching and picking up on the the finer details of Western news broadcasts, not simply sucking up Russian propaganda.

ORAC 30th Mar 2023 05:38

Spending a lot of their budget on upgrading their missile defences around Moscow.

https://www.defensenews.com/land/202...-by-years-end/

Russia to upgrade Moscow’s missile defenses by year’s end

jolihokistix 30th Mar 2023 06:33


Originally Posted by ORAC (Post 11411428)
Spending a lot of their budget on upgrading their missile defences around Moscow.

https://www.defensenews.com/land/202...-by-years-end/

Russia to upgrade Moscow’s missile defenses by year’s end

The West has no reason nor desire, and never had, to attack Moscow.

(Not unless Moscow were to do something stupidly apocalyptic, i.e. end-game stupid.)

Now Ukraine might be willing to give Moscow a black eye or two, and I would not blame them one bit.

The audacious cheek of sending thousands of missiles onto the whole of Ukraine, and then complaining bitterly when even one gets fired back!

fdr 30th Mar 2023 07:46


Originally Posted by Winemaker (Post 11411404)
It would be difficult to justify the 100,000 ± Russian deaths for no reason. And of course they would ignore the Ukrainian deaths.....

Adding another zero to that number won't materially change the outcome except for the additives to get the zero...

The least damage to Russia is to get rid of Putin, preferably in front of the ICJ, but out any window, not fussy. There is a single source for the loss of the oligarch value, damage to the economy of Russia (the real one, the one that is based on figures not provided by the Kremlin) the collapse of the concept of a Russian Federation, and the associated loss of the numbers in the Russian military, and the needless deaths. They pin it all on Putin, and they can work towards normalising their reputation.

They can start by paying for the breakages, and compensating for the deaths of Ukrainians.

That is still a good deal, they are looking down the barrel of revisiting the size they were in 862 A.D.

As Ukraine increases it's projection of fire, the land route to Crimea looks more and more untenable, and that must make the painters working on the Kerch bridge start to feel a bit vulnerable.


jolihokistix 30th Mar 2023 09:11

Sadly just tanks, no aviation content.
Ukraine's tank force shouldn't stand a chance against Russia's, but dumb mistakes keep tipping the scales (yahoo.com)

henra 30th Mar 2023 09:43


Originally Posted by petit plateau (Post 11410998)
- Patriot is a very ambiguous statement. Does anyone know how to interpret that as being a quantity (understandable) or quality (mmmm....) issue.
- IRIS-T I have a vague memory of happy user videos, but could be mistaken in my memory.

Indeed it seems they were quite happy with it:
<In fact, on January 21, the Ukrainian military said that the IRIS-T successfully downed every incoming target during Ukraine’s first operational use of the system. Even Ukrainian President Zelensky has showered praise on this German system while pitching for more IRIS-Ts.> from:
https://eurasiantimes.com/ukraine-ge...-in-its-18-5b/

henra 30th Mar 2023 10:20


Originally Posted by NutLoose (Post 11411369)
Is it me or are these lot now talking of defeat and ending it now on Russian TV?

Wow!
It is getting more and more clear that they are well aware, they're f*cked, they just have no clue how to get out of it without openly admitting defeat.
Dictatorship having painted itself deeply into a corner.

NutLoose 30th Mar 2023 10:37


Originally Posted by jolihokistix (Post 11411532)

here is some aviation then for you..

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/this-is-li...030018349.html

fdr 30th Mar 2023 10:46


Originally Posted by meleagertoo (Post 11410835)
In yer dreams!
Did you realise that the Chair of the UN Security Council rotates on a monthly basis between the fifteen permanent member nations, and next month in the chair is .... Ruzzia! Fat chance of them being excluded from anythng no matter what the rulebook says, and if Putain decides to do something particularly nasty in April he'll be able to either just write it out of the agenda or simply just veto any discussion of it in the UN.
It's a pretty revolting picture.


And Russia must abstain, that is ABSTAIN, not veto, not otherwise, they MUST NOT VOTE on any matter to which they are a party. I don't make up the rules, our gutless lords and masters did, and once upon a time, they actually followed them, now, they are obsequies to the point of co-conspirator. Will they abstain, only if the UN actually grow a pair like the lady Prime Ministers of Scandinavia and the Baltics who shame the rest of the sorry bunch.

Personally, I think the dinosaurs got a rough deal, as they left the yard, expecting intelligent life to flourish on this planet per Mr C. Darwin's treatise. Not seeing much of that in evidence.

NutLoose 30th Mar 2023 11:09

He has been watching his Thriller video again.


NutLoose 30th Mar 2023 11:18

Starting to prepare the Russian's for the counter attack... more like worrying the sh*t out of them LOL


There thoughts on Lukashenko



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