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Quote: Originally Posted by ORAC View Post The other resin to do so is firing for effect - you’re not aiming to hit anything (lofting unguided rockets is wildly inaccurate) but to force the enemy to stay in his shelters and remain static. That may because your troops are either retreating or advancing in front of them or, with conscripts with low morale, to discourage them from following orders to advance as unprotected infantry across open land - as with the their last month of unsuccessful attacks to the south. Thanks for that. I've always wondered about that phrase. '...not aiming to hit anything (lofting unguided rockets is wildly inaccurate) but to force the enemy to stay in his shelters and remain static' is certainly an effect, but that's not what 'fire for effect' means. |
Originally Posted by meleagertoo
(Post 11410835)
In yer dreams!
Did you realise that the Chair of the UN Security Council rotates on a monthly basis between the fifteen permanent member nations, .
Originally Posted by melmothtw
(Post 11410858)
'...not aiming to hit anything (lofting unguided rockets is wildly inaccurate) but to force the enemy to stay in his shelters and remain static' is certainly an effect, but that's not what 'fire for effect' means. |
I didn’t use it in as a defined term, merely reflecting what I used in the context of when you would fire a radar missile unguided at long range to cause the enemy to honour the threat and manoeuvre. Firing for the effect it would have.
Doing a search the artillery term would seem to be “Final Protective Fire” “A type of a priority target in a defensive situation is a final protective fire (FPF). Final protective fire is an immediately available prearranged barrier of fire designed to impede enemy movement across defensive lines or areas”. In artillery terms you first have ranging shots to zero in your guns, then “fire for effect” are the subsequent rounds on the target. e.g. In the movies where the observer instructs the guns “up 100, left 50” then when they’re on target “fire for effect” when they fully open fire. ((Though in UKR they’re probably adjusting their own fire using a drone) |
Originally Posted by Tartiflette Fan
(Post 11410871)
Umm .... that would be five permanent members.
Oh ! Were my thanks to ORAC premature ? Can you confirm its meaning, please ? |
To lighten the mood I thought I would share some Ukrainian beaver with you...
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Remember this guy?
Well Valerii Zaluzhnyi, Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, has awarded the Golden Cross to Ruslan Zubariev, a senior soldier [equivalent to the rank of corporal – ed.] in the 92nd Ivan Sirko Separate Mechanised Brigade, and presented him with a weapon as an award. Source: Zaluzhnyi on Telegram; Zubariev on Telegram Quote from Zaluzhnyi: "I had the honour to decorate Ruslan Zubariev, a senior soldier in the 92nd Ivan Sirko Separate Mechanised Brigade, with the Golden Cross honorary badge and present him with a well-deserved honorary weapon. Ruslan repelled an attack by superior enemy forces and showed valour and courage in battle." Details: Zubariev uses the alias Predator. He took part in a battle against Russian troops near Svatove, Luhansk Oblast, on 16 February 2023. Zubariev filmed a video and posted it on his Telegram channel, PREDATOR. The footage shows the 21-year-old soldier destroying a Russian BMP-2 infantry fighting vehicle (IFV) and killing several invaders in 30 minutes of combat. Predator uses various weapons [an RPG-7 grenade launcher, machine gun and assault rifle] and throws grenades at the Russian troops from his foxhole.70
Quote from Zaluzhnyi: "I had the honour to decorate Ruslan Zubariev, a senior soldier in the 92nd Ivan Sirko Separate Mechanised Brigade, with the Golden Cross honorary badge and present him with a well-deserved honorary weapon. Ruslan repelled an attack by superior enemy forces and showed valour and courage in battle." Details: Zubariev uses the alias Predator. He took part in a battle against Russian troops near Svatove, Luhansk Oblast, on 16 February 2023. Zubariev filmed a video and posted it on his Telegram channel, PREDATOR. The footage shows the 21-year-old soldier destroying a Russian BMP-2 infantry fighting vehicle (IFV) and killing several invaders in 30 minutes of combat. Predator uses various weapons [an RPG-7 grenade launcher, machine gun and assault rifle] and throws grenades at the Russian troops from his foxhole. Predator said the Russian group consisted of 11 soldiers and reinforcements could have joined them, as the Russian positions were 70 metres away. A Ukrainian mortar crew and an IFV arrived to assist the Ukrainian defenders. The Ukrainian forces held their position and forced the Russian troops to retreat. The soldier's military partner sustained a concussion during the combat, but still supported Predator with ammunition throughout the battle. Later, Zubariev described the battle in detail. Quote from Zubariev: "The day was as ordinary as could be. My partner and I took up our duty, stood guard for an hour and a half, and there was literally half an hour left before we'd be coming off duty and getting some rest, but we heard the sounds of a [moving] BMP-2. Thinking it was somewhere far away, I decided to get the anti-tank weapons ready, and about 10 seconds later, we got a call on the radio warning us that the same BMP-2 was moving in our direction. We didn't really understand what they were saying on the radio as the Russians were using jamming equipment, and when we were told again that vehicles were moving towards us, they were like 5 metres away, and then the events you’ve all seen on the video began. Eventually, we repelled the attack, and those who managed to survive ran away. The rest of them are still lying there. My comrade is fine. He was concussed at the time, but he could still help me; he gave me everything I asked for, listened and followed my orders, for which I am very grateful." Details: Zubariev says Zaluzhnyi awarded him an M4 assault rifle. Previously, Predator had a customised AK-47 assault rifle. He said he had wanted to purchase an assault rifle, but the law forbids citizens to do so until the age of 25. Zubariev is 21. |
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Following on from Nutty's post about the "Predator," here's an interview with him. Big balls.
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Originally Posted by Rockie_Rapier
(Post 11410711)
Regarding the others : - UK never sent any remaindered Rapier, so not that. - Gepard has had happy user videos all over the place. - IRIS-T I have a vague memory of happy user videos, but could be mistaken in my memory. - NASAAMS no known happy user videos, though I had assumed OpSec request. - Crotale no known happy user videos, though I had assumed OpSec request. The various ex-Soviet stuff sent by eastern European users seems to have been integrated as one would expect. Maybe other stuff has gone and not been reported. |
Originally Posted by petit plateau
(Post 11410998)
Maybe other stuff has gone and not been reported.
How could there be a quantity issue with Patriots? The US doesn't have any current need for them that I know of. |
Originally Posted by NutLoose
(Post 11410950)
The trick is knowing where the Orc mobile armour reserve is [shades of Arnhem]. |
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Originally Posted by BlankBox
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Originally Posted by FUMR
(Post 11411064)
The way he thinks, I expect until he (Putin) is the last man standing!
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RUSI article…
https://static.rusi.org/202303-SR-Un...-final.pdf.pdf Preliminary Lessons from Russia’s Unconventional Operations During the Russo-Ukrainian War, February 2022–February 2023 |
Originally Posted by ORAC
(Post 11410886)
In artillery terms you first have ranging shots to zero in your guns, then “fire for effect” are the subsequent rounds on the target.
Fire for effect is when the whole battery (or regiment) fires together as opposed to just one or more ranging guns adjusting the target. Normally a pattern is specified. Options are Parallel, Converged, Linear and Circular or Rectangular Sheaf for distributed fires. |
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