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ORAC 24th Feb 2022 05:37


TEEEJ 24th Feb 2022 05:43


Looks like the remains of a KH-31/AS-17. Possibly an anti-radar version?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kh-31

ORAC 24th Feb 2022 05:49

Reported aratroop on Kharkiv. Seems very high leaving them vulnerable to ground fire.


unmanned_droid 24th Feb 2022 06:17


Originally Posted by TEEEJ (Post 11189209)
https://twitter.com/breaknewsi/statu...14698917617669

Looks like the remains of a KH-31/AS-17. Possibly an anti-radar version?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kh-31

Yes, I would agree its a KH-31

unmanned_droid 24th Feb 2022 06:23


Originally Posted by ORAC (Post 11189212)
Reported aratroop on Kharkiv. Seems very high leaving them vulnerable to ground fire.

https://twitter.com/paulglitten/stat...219901954?s=21

I think this was posted earlier but disappeared. Comments consensus seems to be that its the work of air defence units. I wonder if what is heard firing in the background is that air defence unit. This makes more sense than the paratrooper theory - as stated elsewhere it seems like the worst planned paradrop ever.

ORAC 24th Feb 2022 06:52

Russians on outskirts of Kharkiv. Not sure if that means they are surrounding and bypassing it till later or just awaiting troops for an urban assault.

Further roadblocks and geolocation confirmation further on in the thread.


ORAC 24th Feb 2022 06:56

https://www.defensenews.com/global/e...sian-invasion/

Pentagon studying fallback supply lines to Ukraine in case of expanded Russian invasion

ORAC 24th Feb 2022 07:07


IAMCHUNKY 24th Feb 2022 07:10

Realistically what can the west do?

MATELO 24th Feb 2022 07:30


Originally Posted by IAMCHUNKY (Post 11189242)
Realistically what can the west do?

Shake an angry fist.

tartare 24th Feb 2022 07:41

I think there's quite a lot the west can do, without firing a shot.
The question is the extent to which it's prepared to subject itself to economic pain.
Will Volkswagen be prepared to shut down it's plant in Kaluga?
Would the UK Government be prepared to confiscate private properties in London and freeze all Russian financial assets?
How about expropriating Abrahmovich's ownership of Chelsea - seizing his yacht?
How about stealing every single piece of Russian owned property, assets and roubles in our respective countries?
And on top of that - entirely locking them out of the Western Financial System?
As I said earlier - I'd be prepared to pay higher taxes and prices.


Widger 24th Feb 2022 07:46


Realistically what can the west do?
Quite a lot Tovarich and if you were really from Kernow you would know how to spell it properly!

ORAC 24th Feb 2022 07:56

Sky showing footage of an attack at Mariupol airport. Seems to be a strike on a radar system so I would suspect an ARM.


tartare 24th Feb 2022 08:10

The ABC's Washington correspondent Sarah Ferguson, who is pretty astute, has just been on the telly here.
She says Biden is expected tomorrow to start preparing the US people for sanctions which will hurt the US economy and US hip-pockets.
Namely oil and gas sanctions and targeting more big more big Russian banks.

[email protected] 24th Feb 2022 08:31

Perhaps we really should have had a European Army to deal with things like this.................

NutLoose 24th Feb 2022 08:32

It sadly makes sense to fire at cities even if they do not strike them, the fleeing population will choke roads hampering the Ukrainian armies freedom of movement.

Hopes are with them all, stay safe.

The poor guy or gal whose damaged car is parked outside the Mariupol airport radar site is sadly probably dead now :(

Sanctions may help in the long term but in the short term will do squat and they are already being watered down, all the speeches about we will sanction the hell out of you if you step over the border is already reduced to smaller sanctions on this and that and will increase if you carry. Pathetic really.

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Old-Duffer 24th Feb 2022 08:32

Perhaps a blockade of the Russian's only ice free port in the Baltic might help a little.

OD

Atlantic Explorer 24th Feb 2022 08:39

Time for Boeing and Airbus to cut complete ties and support for the Russian fleet.

ORAC 24th Feb 2022 08:43



NutLoose 24th Feb 2022 08:47

Lukashenko saying Belarus is not involved in the attacks, define involvement.


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