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MPN11 24th Sep 2022 10:54


Originally Posted by Beamr (Post 11301831)

Four hours later, Sergei reported with his clean rifle and was promoted to Lieutenant.
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....2f45375afb.jpg


Beamr 24th Sep 2022 11:08


Originally Posted by rattman (Post 11301869)
If its a rifle for training, I have used rubber rifles, hi viz yellow and red, with the same weight and a dynamics for training rather than a working rifle. But if thats what he taking to front he sorta screwed, probably be able to yoink a better one off a body in no time

Where I am I was trained with the real ones, signed one upon arrival to the forces. Never heard of dummy personal weapons though. To my understanding the Russians are providing the weapons on day 1 and sending the troops to training with their personal weapons. If they only have two weeks of training they wouldn't have enough dummies nor time to practice with them. Reason is very smple: The Russian conscript system is used to push 120000 rather poorly trained (by western standards) conscripts through the system annually, now they are intendng to push 300k - 1M mobilized men through the system in mere weeks...
they've obviously opened the cold war era wartime stocks for this. Meaning old and obsolete everything that no one has taken care of, including the doctrine.

rattman 24th Sep 2022 11:32


Originally Posted by Beamr (Post 11301909)
Where I am I was trained with the real ones, signed one upon arrival to the forces


Dummy training rifles were issued upon request for additional volunteer PT training, you could keep them in barracks unlike real firearms. They were generically called blue guns even tho there was red options. There was steyr AUG, EF-88 and M4 commando



Beamr 24th Sep 2022 11:46


Originally Posted by rattman (Post 11301919)
Dummy training rifles were issued upon request for additional volunteer PT training, you could keep them in barracks unlike real firearms. They were generically called blue guns even tho there was red options. There was steyr AUG, EF-88 and M4 commando

we kept the real ones at the barracks with us, although in locked racks while not in service to avoid Private Pyle moments. One had to know the exact location of ones personal issued weapon at all times.

NutLoose 24th Sep 2022 12:07

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Beamr 24th Sep 2022 12:26

Putin is now in full downfall mode: the New York Times reports that the Russian dictator is directing military operations personally and has rejected repeated requests from commanders to save Russian lives by withdrawing from Kherson to the left bank of the Dnipro River

I'd hate to be a Russian mobilized troop. Not many of them will return home alive.



GeeRam 24th Sep 2022 12:49


Originally Posted by rattman (Post 11301877)
Its coming from indian sources, which to me is only just higher than russian sources

Hearing stories from a few friends (one is married to a Chinese) and whispers coming from their families out there in messages that there's lots of military activity in and around Bejing, so......there could be some legs in this story?

There's stories of 6000 flights being suddenly cancelled in China too, plus rail journey suspensions.





Spunky Monkey 24th Sep 2022 12:54

The videos and tweets of the Russian Police and the Enlistment Commissars forcing men into trucks and buses is reminiscent of the rounding up of undesirables in the late 30s and early 40s around Europe.
History will judge these weak willed individuals as co-conspirators in the deaths of tens of thousands of their countrymen, there will be no defence of "I was just following orders," as the guards used at Belsen, Auschwitz and Treblinka.

Many of these men will be massacred before they get anywhere near the front line.
While I do not feel remorse for them, I feel like I am watching a deeply disturbing part of history in the making that I had hoped Europe had moved away from.
Will future generations look at the posts on these pages and wonder if we too have become desensitised to yet again death on an industrial scale?

MPN11 24th Sep 2022 13:34


While I do not feel remorse for them, I feel like I am watching a deeply disturbing part of history in the making that I had hoped Europe had moved away from.
I think we had all hoped that, but sadly it only needs one deranged and corrupt megalomanic to reverse all the progress made since WW2. Sadly, post-Soviet dogma persists, preventing Russia taking a proper place in the community of Nations. And the same applies to China, of course.

ORAC 24th Sep 2022 13:36

The start of the disintegration of the Russian Federation?

Kadyrov now has sizeable forces loyal only to him - as recently shown - and what has Putin left to suppress any uprisings or cecessions?

And in Chechnya, and elsewhere, memories run deep.

As recently stated Russia’s entire southern flank is now afire.

Bring popcorn….

Ramzan Kadyrov just refusing to launch the mobilization in Chechnya …

anxiao 24th Sep 2022 13:40

GeeRam, Flight Radar24 is showing normal flights over China at 21.37 Beijing time. A bit slow for a Saturday but not down by 6,000.

No further inferences

Beamr 24th Sep 2022 13:59

Probably the best motivational speaker I've heard.



NutLoose 24th Sep 2022 14:19

This lot have been standing about to long… go get them boys and girls.


NutLoose 24th Sep 2022 14:32

I have a theory about the mobilisation, but I hope I am wrong.

During WW2 Russia used to calculate German firepower and times that by the time to cross the ground then throw in that number of troops plus more, so no matter what was fired at them they could not kill them all. That probably is the fate they await, advance at all costs.

BANANASBANANAS 24th Sep 2022 15:22


Originally Posted by GeeRam (Post 11301946)
Hearing stories from a few friends (one is married to a Chinese) and whispers coming from their families out there in messages that there's lots of military activity in and around Bejing, so......there could be some legs in this story?

There's stories of 6000 flights being suddenly cancelled in China too, plus rail journey suspensions.

I have been keeping my powder dry on this after my initial post but I am also hearing lots of independent evidence that gives the rumour credibility - without being able to 100% confirm it.

Wokkafans 24th Sep 2022 15:28

Aviation content:

"A Russian SU-30 on fire after being hit by Ukrainian manpads. It crashed along with another Russian SU-25. 24.09.2022. Southern Ukraine."

https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFoota...eb2x&context=3

sangiovese. 24th Sep 2022 16:00


Originally Posted by ORAC (Post 11301965)
The start of the disintegration of the Russian Federation?

Kadyrov now has sizeable forces loyal only to him - as recently shown - and what has Putin left to suppress any uprisings or cecessions?

And in Chechnya, and elsewhere, memories run deep.

As recently stated Russia’s entire southern flank is now afire.

Bring popcorn….



Ramzan Kadyrov just refusing to launch the mobilization in Chechnya …


Im still wondering why Belorussia is also so quiet..very odd given their previous election issues

Lonewolf_50 24th Sep 2022 16:29


Originally Posted by flash8 (Post 11301624)
Nice lady says she is sorry but management have deemed the use of .ru email addresses a threat to the reputation of the business and could I use something else (like gmail) as they can't allow any correspondence to any .ru entity.
OK, I agreed, but afterwards thought.. this is going way way beyond what I imagined.

Glad to hear you are OK, please be careful. :)

Timmy Tomkins 24th Sep 2022 16:30

Bulgakov sacked
 
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-63021117
The blamegame is underway

AndySmith 24th Sep 2022 16:38


Originally Posted by sangiovese. (Post 11302029)
Im still wondering why Belorussia is also so quiet..very odd given their previous election issues

Funny you should mention Belarus....



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