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NutLoose 15th Nov 2022 11:19

Russians film a tank trying to breech a Pyramid from their defence line as a demonstration of their effectiveness, now call me old fashioned but who in their right mind would drive straight at it then floor it. one would have thought you would side swipe them driving between a pair. and as we saw them being craned off a truck they obviously have a lifting eye on them like the ones below, so a quick cable through it and a reverse to pull them out of the way, job done.


https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....497a4ddcfe.jpg




NutLoose 15th Nov 2022 11:29


Originally Posted by jolihokistix (Post 11330713)
Is there a rough inventory of the vast ammunition store in Transnistria that the Russians were hoping to link up to and access?

(It sounded like old ammo aplenty for outdated equipment.)



Wokkafans 15th Nov 2022 11:31


NutLoose 15th Nov 2022 12:15

Starstreak in action or a Martlet

https://viraltab.news/ukrainian-para...efence-system/

MPN11 15th Nov 2022 13:02

Kyiv attacked as world leaders meet at G20 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-63638859

BBC News on line

Another spiteful response to International criticism, and Zelenzky’s “G-19” comment?

EDIT … updated reports, strikes all over UKR too. Timed to mark Lavrov’s departure from Bali?

Herod 15th Nov 2022 14:54

I gather Lavrov left before the news of the strikes came in. Coincidence or timing?

NutLoose 15th Nov 2022 15:06

One less, Zelensky reported 85 missile strikes on objects on the territory of Ukraine and warned of the imminent possibility of more than 20 missile arrivals.

https://twitter.com/LWNChannel/status/1592549217025036288

:(



NutLoose 15th Nov 2022 16:45

Forgot to add, damn poor Opsec showing the fall of the missiles in the above post.

Asturias56 15th Nov 2022 16:59

" we saw them being craned off a truck they obviously have a lifting eye on them like the ones below, so a quick cable through it and a reverse to pull them out of the way, job done."

True - but that requires a "volunteer" to get out and do the threading..................

ORAC 15th Nov 2022 17:01

Aviation content.

Taras dreamed of switching from old fighter jets to modern F-16s.

Wife Kateryna "I was well aware that I was marrying a fighter pilot, that in times of need he would give his life to save people."

From his jet, Taras last words were "They're working on me"

https://armyinform.com.ua/2022/10/21...aleno-brakuye/

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....84f3537d4.jpeg

Lonewolf_50 15th Nov 2022 17:22


Originally Posted by fineline (Post 11331182)

Some of the best military aviation content this forum has seen in a good long while. Thank you for providing this link.
I particularly liked his all-to-brief coverage of the EW aspect, about which I've not seen very much discussion. Also the phasing of the operation, in terms of how things went the first few days, how things went during the next weeks, and the changes they started to see in March. And the shambles that was the RU comms plan.

For ORAC:

Taras dreamed of switching from old fighter jets to modern F-16s.

Originally Posted by fineline's link

(somewhere between minutes 35-39, compare Viper to Grippen) but as noted in the link may not be politically achievable. Too bad: cost and maintenance wise, probably a better fit. Look, the Viper's a great bird, but the argument presented there is pretty solid.

fdr 15th Nov 2022 17:24


Originally Posted by ORAC (Post 11331361)
Aviation content.



Taras dreamed of switching from old fighter jets to modern F-16s.

Wife Kateryna "I was well aware that I was marrying a fighter pilot, that in times of need he would give his life to save people."

From his jet, Taras last words were "They're working on me"

https://armyinform.com.ua/2022/10/21...aleno-brakuye/

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....84f3537d4.jpeg

"Dulce et decorum est pro patria mori,
sed dulcius pro patria vivere,
et dulcissimum pro patria bibere.
Ergo,
bibamus pro salute patriae."



NutLoose 15th Nov 2022 17:35

The sh*t may now hit the fan, a Russian missile overshot and hit a village in Poland killing two.


“Polish PM Morawiecki convened the emergency meeting of the Committee of the Council of Ministers for National Security & Defense Affairs.”


https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....8557e60d7.jpeg


https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....de55e95db.jpeg

Usertim 15th Nov 2022 17:54

The town is close to the border , 10 km from the nearest significant ukraine settlement.

It can equally be UAF anti air missile, though the crater looks on the large side for that. Someone targeting made a big screw up probably.

fdr 15th Nov 2022 18:02

RuZZia knows how to annoy people.

That may be argued against in council as an Art. 5 & 6 event, but it obliges a response that reminds Vlad of the consequences of his actions. It would justify positioning with Ukraine consent or request air defence within Ukraine of NATO to defend all weapons fired into Ukraine from Russian forces as they are apparently incompetent. That should be, to include all criminally held lands that Russia occupies in Eastern Ukraine in contravention of UN resolutions.

Will NATO go further than that? for an action that has the hall marks of being due to Russian incompetence?

Poland has the right to respond as they see fit as a UN member, under the charter, Russia killing Polish people is not unforeseeable as a result of Vlads ego trip through Ukraine. Never dull.

NutLoose 15th Nov 2022 18:31

Ok got the city wrong but it may have been going for the power infrastructure.


US officials have now noted that the missiles that hit Poland were indeed Russian and 2 people have been killed. The question is does Russia killing two people on nato territory evoke any sort of response. “Defend every inch of nato territory”

Statement from Estonia regarding situation in Poland “Latest news from Poland is most concerning. We are consulting closely with Poland and other Allies. Estonia is ready to defend every inch of NATO territory. We’re in full solidarity with our close ally Poland”
This Could be worrying unless it is to intercept others, or as a precaution.



@WarMonitor3
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“Polish Air Force launched fighter jets from the airfield in Tomaszów Lubelski” Unconfirmed

ORAC 15th Nov 2022 19:02

US National Security Council spokesperson:

“We've seen these reports out of Poland and are working with the Polish government to gather more information.”

”We cannot confirm the reports or any of the details at this time. We will determine what happened and what the appropriate next steps would be.”

NutLoose 15th Nov 2022 19:02

interesting times we live in..


ORAC 15th Nov 2022 19:11

Seems increasingly likely it was deliberate…

Head of RT Margarita Simonyan: "Now Poland has its own Belgorod region. What did you expect?"

ORAC 15th Nov 2022 19:50

Express reports 🇷🇺Russians planned to sabotage the mile-long floating pipeline that delivers fuel to Ascension Island from tankers offshore.

Ascension is a remote island with airbase & 🇬🇧🇺🇸 signals intelligence / space tracking gathering station.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world...pipeline-putin


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