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Video Mixdown 6th Oct 2022 08:53


Originally Posted by Flyhighfirst (Post 11308897)
I really can’t figure the Russians out.

That's the unwritten subtitle to nearly every post in this thread!

[email protected] 6th Oct 2022 09:18


Originally Posted by Flyhighfirst (Post 11308897)
I really can’t figure the Russians out. They are getting either pushed back or pushed out on multiple fronts, but instead of using what they have left on the enemy troops they have just fired missiles into an apartment building. What makes it even more bizarre is the apartment building was in the city of Zaporizhzhia… the capital of one of the region just annexed! So in their eyes they just targeted their own civilians?

Creates the illusion of fighting the enemy - even if that isn't what is happening in reality - so much of the Russian military effort seems to be about showing those higher up the chain that they are doing their job regardless of how effective they are at it. 'Look how many missiles we fired today sir' just don't ask where they went!

A national character built on bravado and machismo - why Putin does all that topless horse riding and other stunts - its all about face saving and whatever smoke and mirrors have to be employed to achieve that is fine by them.

NutLoose 6th Oct 2022 09:32

Russians surrendering their APC... the old Long Johns on the barrel flag ;)


NutLoose 6th Oct 2022 09:52

Aviation content, the final journey of a Ukrainian combat pilot.



Ripton 6th Oct 2022 10:05


Originally Posted by NutLoose (Post 11308962)
Russians surrendering their APC... the old Long Johns on the barrel flag ;)



https://twitter.com/emileghessen/sta...44545856512005

Definitely staged; I can't imagine that after the experiences of the last few weeks - being encircled, targeted by HIMARS and munition dropping drones (aviation content) - any Russian soldiers would have any white underwear left.

Unless their APC had recently been upgraded with the white goods option.

rixt 6th Oct 2022 10:27

Interesting article: Ukraine’s New Offensive Is Fueled by Captured Russian Weapons - WSJ

ORAC 6th Oct 2022 10:39


I really can’t figure the Russians out
Firing on enemy troops means getting inside the range of the artillery and counter-fire radars, and also of being bypassed and overrun.

Much easier and safer to stay in areas they aren’t and she’ll those who can’t fire back….

Addlepate 6th Oct 2022 10:42


Originally Posted by Ripton (Post 11308976)
Unless their APC had recently been upgraded with the white goods option.

Well, they did steal a lot of washing machines in the earlier stages ...

fdr 6th Oct 2022 10:43


Originally Posted by NutLoose (Post 11308962)
Russians surrendering their APC... the old Long Johns on the barrel flag ;)



https://twitter.com/emileghessen/sta...44545856512005

Just as well they didn't go commando... :}

That is a pretty well-disciplined takedown in a high-risk situation, gotta hand it to the Ukrainian forces, they were ready and no one went rowdy. Patdown was efficient and without any abuse.
These are professional soldiers of Ukraine's forces I wonder or just darned well prepared.
Reckon the quartermasters in Russia will be getting a run on longjohns, non camo. :ok:

NutLoose 6th Oct 2022 11:15

Well it isn't the first, they did have the lone tanker surrender ages ago after his crew deserted and his boss told him he would shoot him if he did, they set that handover up in the middle of a barren field, it does look Salisbury plain ish and the front Z is painted out? see


more pics of he latest one,

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...e-Kherson.html


Additional film of the Surrender. note in the first film the officer in charge appears to be female, good to see :)


ORAC 6th Oct 2022 11:20

European Parliament: EU should give Ukraine more tanks, fast-track its membership.

The EU countries willing to deliver Leopard II tanks to Ukraine will be reimbursed from the European Peace Facility, said European Parliament President Roberta Metsola, according to France 24.

Metsola has also called for Ukraine's "accelerated" entry into the EU.

"We have a country that has shown us its intention, and overwhelming willingness to join, and surpassing expectations and meeting goals that other countries would have taken months or years," she said.

NutLoose 6th Oct 2022 11:41

Operating a large mortar looks decidedly dodgy.


NutLoose 6th Oct 2022 12:17

Correction adding correct linky.

Anyone read this as Putin trying to find a way out of the war??? A sort of softening of his stance and setting up the Russian people for news they might not like? A realisation he is screwed.


ORAC 6th Oct 2022 12:35

"In the prisoner’s three-man tank crew, all three were from different units...The prisoner, a paratrooper, was the driver. The commander, was a mercenary from the Wagner paramilitary outfit. And the gunner was mobilized from the occupied Luhansk region."…

pulse1 6th Oct 2022 12:50

Interesting displacement activity there, with pen and paper. Quite vigorous at times.

ORAC 6th Oct 2022 12:52

Top propagandists on Russian state TV brainstormed about various ways of attacking the West for helping Ukraine: from plotting to kill powerful government officials on "The Satanovsky List," to using energy as a weapon against Europe.

SOPS 6th Oct 2022 13:03


Originally Posted by ORAC (Post 11309073)
Top propagandists on Russian state TV brainstormed about various ways of attacking the West for helping Ukraine: from plotting to kill powerful government officials on "The Satanovsky List," to using energy as a weapon against Europe.

i have a plan….drop a cruise missile into the TV Studio.

ORAC 6th Oct 2022 13:19

Reuters: Most Americans think US should keep supporting Ukraine, despite Russia's nuclear threats.

A recent poll shows 73% of U.S. citizens agreed for their country to continue to support Ukraine, despite Russia's threats to use nuclear weapons, Reuters reported.

FUMR 6th Oct 2022 13:26


Originally Posted by ORAC (Post 11309073)
Top propagandists on Russian state TV brainstormed about various ways of attacking the West for helping Ukraine: from plotting to kill powerful government officials on "The Satanovsky List," to using energy as a weapon against Europe.

When one watches that idiot one doesn't know whether to laugh or cry. It is inconceivable for most of us that a person can honestly believe that crap! Perhaps SOPS is right!

pasta 6th Oct 2022 13:30


Originally Posted by ORAC (Post 11309073)
Top propagandists on Russian state TV brainstormed about various ways of attacking the West for helping Ukraine: from plotting to kill powerful government officials on "The Satanovsky List," to using energy as a weapon against Europe.

When this is all over, that TV show is going to be an epic source of memes...


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