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NutLoose 26th Sep 2022 15:45

Gepards deployed


dead_pan 26th Sep 2022 17:13

Just saw this - something up? (apols for the aviation content...)


NutLoose 26th Sep 2022 17:41

Russian mother gets a surprise when she learns her captured son is actually in Ukraine.


waffler 26th Sep 2022 18:01

I suspect those KC-135s and A10 are just moving away from the hurricane zone.

NutLoose 26th Sep 2022 18:14

Replacement Russian transport is somewhat dubious


NutLoose 26th Sep 2022 19:46

The liberation of Balakiliya 10 minute film following the operation


NutLoose 26th Sep 2022 20:14

Even Gherkin cannot believe what their own Russian soldiers are doing in advance


MikeSnow 26th Sep 2022 21:29

The so called second army in the World:


The Helpful Stacker 26th Sep 2022 21:43


Originally Posted by MikeSnow (Post 11303226)
The so called second army in the World:

https://twitter.com/wartranslated/st...83334679478284

Urgh, the "a tampon will fix it" thing again?? I wish someone would bury this BS.

https://www.crisis-medicine.com/heav...long-in-ifaks/

NutLoose 26th Sep 2022 21:44

Just watched it, finally someone who appears to have her sh*t together and is at least trying to help save their lives and give them practical advice as to what the really need when they go into combat, Thank God the Russian military do not appear have more of her.

The trouble is they probably do not have the funds nor availability to buy the correct dressings

Ripton 26th Sep 2022 21:51


Originally Posted by waffler (Post 11303140)
I suspect those KC-135s and A10 are just moving away from the hurricane zone.

All in Europe now, lead aircraft over Germany.

NutLoose 26th Sep 2022 22:10


Originally Posted by Ripton (Post 11303239)
All in Europe now, lead aircraft over Germany.

Fleet rotation? Or did they trail anything with transponders off ?

Ripton 26th Sep 2022 22:11

The Ukrainians have moved on from turret tossing to combat vehicle flinging.





MJ89 27th Sep 2022 00:14

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1574147433147269122
seen whispers of a 0.5kt scenario, upward.
would that have much EMP effect.

thats a similar size the the Beriut explosion if im not mistaken.

fdr 27th Sep 2022 01:20


Originally Posted by MJ89 (Post 11303278)
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1574147433147269122
seen whispers of a 0.5kt scenario, upward.
would that have much EMP effect.

thats a similar size the the Beriut explosion if im not mistaken.

500 ton TNT equivalent may not have much of a bang compared with Tzar Bombs, but it will still lead to a rapid and severe response from the USA and from NATO. That response may not be nuclear in the first instance, but the use of the TNW or WMD of any sort is open to all comers who object to the criminal actions of Russia. Every signatory to the UN Charter has an epiphany at that point; either support a criminal terrorist using WMD and be treated as a co-conspirator, with the economic and diplomatic consequences, or to object to the actions of Putin'. Simple, stark choices, prior to any boots on ground, and there will almost certainly be both boots on ground and unfettered conventional arms supply to Ukraine to end Russian aggression and criminal actions..

We are well past the time.of calling Russia under Putin what it is, a criminal, terrorist state, and a sponsor of international terrorism. They have no compunction to kill their own people, they certainly have no objection to killing their neighbours.

On a military aviation theme, the use of TNW would drop all necessity to not upset Putin', there are available assets to provide the Ukrainian airforce and army, would be thinking that a few hundred Oh6/OH58s would be a starting point, for interdiction,along with gallons of UH1s, to give mobility behind the FEBA, C130's to give an air bridge to the east, and (yaay) A-10's to prove that they can do what they were designed to do, and swarms of F16's, to save them from being turned into targets down at Tyndall.

In meantime, warm clothes, and ammo... And sufficient PGM to remove the rail links to Russia for the next couple of years.

Winemaker 27th Sep 2022 01:59

Responding to post #9804:

Originally Posted by fdr (Post 11303290)
500 ton TNT equivalent may not have much of a bang compared with Tzar Bombs, but it will still lead to a rapid and severe response from the USA and from NATO. That response may not be nuclear in the first instance, but the use of the TNW or WMD of any sort is open to all comers who object to the criminal actions of Russia. Every signatory to the UN Charter has an epiphany at that point; either support a criminal terrorist using WMD and be treated as a co-conspirator, with the economic and diplomatic consequences, or to object to the actions of Pukin'. Simple, stark choices, prior to any boots on ground, and there will almost certainly be both boots on ground and unfettered conventional arms supply to Ukraine to end Russian aggression and criminal actions..

We are well past the time.of calling Russia under Pukin' what it is, a criminal, terrorist state, and a sponsor of international terrorism. They have no compunction to kill their own people, they certainly have no objection to killing their neighbours.

On a military aviation theme, the use of TNW would drop all necessity to not upset Pukin', there are available assets to provide the Ukrainian airforce and army, would be thinking that a few hundred Oh6/OH58s would be a starting point, for interdiction,along with gallons of UH1s, to give mobility behind the FEBA, C130's to give an air bridge to the east, and (yaay) A-10's to prove that they can do what they were designed to do, and swarms of F16's, to save them from being turned into targets down at Tyndall.

In meantime, warm clothes, and ammo... And sufficient PGM to remove the rail links to Russia for the next couple of years.

To have an EMP effect the explosion has to take place in the upper atmosphere. The effect wasn't discovered until an American high altitude burst 'Starfish Prime' took place, knocking out some power in Hawaii, 900 miles from the detonation center. The altitude of the shot was about 250 miles. A tactical low altitude burst wouldn't cause a major EMP event. It certainly would cause other effects.....

From Wikipedia (other sources available)....

A high-altitude nuclear detonation produces an immediate flux of gamma rays from the nuclear reactions within the device. These photons in turn produce high energy free electrons by Compton scattering at altitudes between (roughly) 20 and 40 km. These electrons are then trapped in the Earth's magnetic field, giving rise to an oscillating electric current. This current is asymmetric in general and gives rise to a rapidly rising radiated electromagnetic field called an electromagnetic pulse (EMP). Because the electrons are trapped essentially simultaneously, a very large electromagnetic source radiates coherently.The pulse can easily span continent-sized areas, and this radiation can affect systems on land, sea, and air. ... A large device detonated at 400–500 km (250 to 312 miles) over Kansas would affect all of the continental U.S. The signal from such an event extends to the visual horizon as seen from the burst point.

Flyhighfirst 27th Sep 2022 08:26

Just noticed on FR24 8 Turkish Air flights in trail on their way from various points in turkey to Moscow. There may be more Im not seeing. Thought it a bit strange. I imagine they are pretty much empty and will be full on their return?

petit plateau 27th Sep 2022 09:44

It seems at leastl three Nordsteam gas pipelines are damaged (i.e. both Nordsteam 1 and Nordsteam 2). The Germans are reporting 7 bar remaining surface pressure. That is consistent with rupturing them at just over 70m of water depth. The water depths near the Danish island of Bornholm are of approximately that depth. It is somewhat unclear which pipes are damaged. There are 4 x 48" diameter pipes, and so far indications are somewhat ambiguous but suggest that perhaps three pipes are affected, but that could be confusion/misunderstanding in the reporting. Needless to say it takes a lot to rupture even one 48" pipeline of 100-bar+ pressure rating at any water depths, let alone multiple pipelines.at over 70m water depth. It is possible (gosh) that there is aviation activity relating to this but I have not looked too closely at that Seahawk track, or any other track. These are of course within NATO member state waters.

https://www.theguardian.com/business...usly-overnight

https://www.reuters.com/business/ene...ne-2022-09-27/


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nord_Stream

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nord_Stream_2

GeeRam 27th Sep 2022 09:52

I thought EU airspace was closed to all Russian aircraft?
There's a Russian Il-76 that has flown from Moscow along the Baltic and turned into German airspace and is heading south of Berlin currently.....??

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....b7f38743f3.jpg

Edit:
OK seems special permission flights related to nuclear fuel for Czech or Hungarian power stations. There was a similar flight 4 weeks ago.

petit plateau 27th Sep 2022 09:58


Originally Posted by GeeRam (Post 11303452)
I thought EU airspace was closed to all Russian aircraft?
There's a Russian Il-76 that has flown from Moscow along the Baltic and turned into German airspace and is heading south of Berlin currently.....??

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....b7f38743f3.jpg

Just one suggestion in the circumstances. Are they not allowed to fly pipeline monitoring missions for safety purposes ? Without knowing the Nordstream contracts and treaties I don't know, however that would be a normal arrangement. If it has flown over the Baltic has it followed the Nordsteam routes at all ?

EDIT : just seen your EDIT. So one of the civil nuclear flights.


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