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ORAC 5th Sep 2022 08:34

DIY drone towed radar decoy…. :}


ORAC 5th Sep 2022 10:15

Ukraine’s hackers registered a number of fake women's accounts on social networks, tricked 🇷🇺 soldiers into sending photos that they geolocated, and shared with the 🇺🇦 military. A few days later, identified 🇷🇺 base near occupied Melitopol was blown up by Ukrainian artillery.

FUMR 5th Sep 2022 10:36


Originally Posted by ORAC (Post 11291094)
Ukraine’s hackers registered a number of fake women's accounts on social networks, tricked 🇷🇺 soldiers into sending photos that they geolocated, and shared with the 🇺🇦 military. A few days later, identified 🇷🇺 base near occupied Melitopol was blown up by Ukrainian artillery.

As mentioned by some in that Twit post, why announce this clever ploy to the world? For that reason I will consider it FAKE!

NutLoose 5th Sep 2022 10:58

Warning good old Aviation content.


ORAC 5th Sep 2022 11:43

I’m shocked, I tell you, shocked…..

MOSCOW, Sept 5 (Reuters) - A Russian-installed official in Ukraine's Kherson region said on Monday that plans for a referendum on joining Russia had been "paused" due to the security situation, Russian state-owned news agency TASS reported.

Beamr 5th Sep 2022 12:03

Interesting comparison, as in 2022 Russia has not achieved the bombing accuracy of the US of the 90s.

"Results of a USAF precision attack on a Serbian airbase in 1999 vs a Russian attack in February 2022 on the Ukrainian Air Force's Ozerne Air Base, home of the 39th Tactical Aviation Brigade equipped with Su-27s"


NutLoose 5th Sep 2022 12:12

More aviation content...sorry ;)



The bad guys


Some of their latest losses?





Recc 5th Sep 2022 12:43


Originally Posted by Beamr (Post 11291144)
Interesting comparison, as in 2022 Russia has not achieved the bombing accuracy of the US of the 90s.


"Results of a USAF precision attack on a Serbian airbase in 1999 vs a Russian attack in February 2022 on the Ukrainian Air Force's Ozerne Air Base, home of the 39th Tactical Aviation Brigade equipped with Su-27s"


Not sure that a GBU-31 dropped from a few miles away is a fair comparison with an SS-26 strike from across the border. Maybe comparison with ATACMS would be more useful.

FlightDetent 5th Sep 2022 13:07

Reddit reports Aeroflot commercial service from Moscow to Sochi takes a direct routing over Donbas and Luhansk regions, quite a stunt.

For what reason?

pasta 5th Sep 2022 13:57


Originally Posted by FlightDetent (Post 11291188)
Reddit reports Aeroflot commercial service from Moscow to Sochi takes a direct routing over Donbas and Luhansk regions, quite a stunt.

For what reason?

You're right, there's one doing it now. It's almost as if they thought that whoever shot down MH17 wouldn't take a pop at an Aeroflot flight...

FUMR 5th Sep 2022 14:09

The cynic in me thinks that, in view of the Russian leadership's attitude to Russian lives, they want Ukraine to shoot down one of their civilian aircraft so that they (Russia) can cry foul and drive world opinion against Ukraine. I hope the UAF won't fall for that.

melmothtw 5th Sep 2022 14:09


Originally Posted by pasta (Post 11291221)
You're right, there's one doing it now. It's almost as if they thought that whoever shot down MH17 wouldn't take a pop at an Aeroflot flight...

They clearly feel quite safe, which is curious given that they said it was the Ukrainian Air Force that shot down MH17.

FlightDetent 5th Sep 2022 16:12


Originally Posted by FUMR (Post 11291228)
The cynic in me thinks .
​​​​​​... ​​​​​

... much uglier than having UKR take a shot at it and then cry foul.

langleybaston 5th Sep 2022 16:30


Originally Posted by FlightDetent (Post 11291301)
... much uglier than having UKR take a shot at it and then cry foul.

I most certainly would not buy a ticket on that flight .................. and who on earth would insure it?

pasta 5th Sep 2022 17:06


Originally Posted by FlightDetent (Post 11291301)
... much uglier than having UKR take a shot at it and then cry foul.

Oh, cripes! I hadn't thought of a false flag, but it would be entirely in character :-(

FUMR 5th Sep 2022 17:40

I was suggesting false flag by Russia.

FlightDetent seemed to be suggesting the possibility of false flag by Ukraine.

I suppose both is possible. However, in this instance I would put my money on Russia. Imagine the outcry if the Ukraine did such a thing and were found out!

langleybaston 5th Sep 2022 17:44


Originally Posted by FUMR (Post 11291361)
I was suggesting false flag by Russia.

FlightDetent seemed to be suggesting the possibility of false flag by Ukraine.

I suppose both is possible. However, in this instance I would put my money on Russia. Imagine the outcry if the Ukraine did such a thing and were found out!

Virtually unimaginable, because Ukraine has tried consistently to occupy the moral high ground, and be the man in the white hat.
Much as it has always been absurd that they would endanger their own nuclear power station.

NutLoose 5th Sep 2022 18:22

WOW, shows Russians after they got hit filmed by themselves i take it the rounds you can here are them cooking off, but what is a WOW is in the replies


Now I do not know if this is correct, but it is rumoured ATACMS listed in the latest aid, that’s 190 mile range.




tdracer 5th Sep 2022 18:31


Originally Posted by Recc (Post 11290815)
They will argue that any peace is better than war, and that we should force Ukraine to negotiate (by threatening to withdraw support) so that a compromise can be reached.

I had a discussions a few years ago with the daughter of a work associate (also a very good friend). Young (~16 at the time), and very much a pacifist. She said something about the waste of our spending all this money on weapons and the military. I looked at her and said "War is awful - unimaginably awful. Sometimes the alternative is worse." She looked bewildered and said 'how?'. I said "Hitler, genocide, The Holocaust".
She got kind of quiet after that...

cynicalint 5th Sep 2022 18:45

Nutty, that is an officially classified document, albeit Restricted. People can, and have, got into trouble for distributing that material outside proper channels, even second hand..


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