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ORAC 9th Sep 2022 17:51

No panic? Russian tank in Kharkiv Oblast flees Ukrainian forces, shedding Russian soldiers as it goes, and then crashes into a tree.

Beamr 9th Sep 2022 20:04

Insane. Other tanks move but can't fire, others can fire but can't move. The burn marks on this guys face tell that he's had to jump out pretty darn fast from the tank.





ORAC 9th Sep 2022 20:05

Videos show mechanized Ukrainian forces crossing the T0514 bridge over the Siverskyi Donets River, reportedly heading towards Lyman.

According to the preliminary reports, the Ukrainian Armed Forces have entered the city of #Izum….

Wokkafans 9th Sep 2022 20:10


ORAC 9th Sep 2022 20:10

Zelensky awards Turkish drone maker Baykar’s CEO Haluk Bayraktar with 1st Degree State Order of Merit

“I would like to thank the President of the Republic for this valuable recognition.

I will continue to strive for a world where peace and justice prevail,” Bayraktar says

ORAC 9th Sep 2022 20:55

Yet another encirclement - the Izyum pocket…

In this intercepted call, the Russian tankman recaps to his friend his account of being encircled by mobile Ukrainian groups and says he is likely encircled now.

It's a longer call so please watch on our YouTube:


rattman 9th Sep 2022 21:30

Theres rumors coming out that Ukraine is going to ask for western support to house and feed the POW's. They have or expect to have over 20K

fdr 9th Sep 2022 21:46


Originally Posted by Beamr (Post 11293650)
I can't be sure since information conflicts, but there was info that the Lieutenant General Andrei Sychevoi was already transferred to Western military district a month ago hence very unlikely to be in Balakliya.
I am more than happy to be corrected, once eg Ukrainian officials or Russian officials confirm this.

If the RF have little ammo and supplies, it is unlikely they have a world class micro surgeon on tap to remove the mole, alter the ear, do a rhinoplasty, and re mould the chin...

Pity though, nabbing general staff is the stuff of movies.


rattman: Theres rumors coming out that Ukraine is going to ask for western support to house and feed the POW's. They have or expect to have over 20K
It may be double that... The "right" bank of the Dneiper is an issue, and the NE is now a shambles for Putin. The LPR and DPR troops are going to need to be screened to work out which are Russophiles and which are forced conscripts. The "believers" probably get work rights in the paradise of Putin and can luxuriate within the grounds of Russia one would think. should be a few big houses in Soichi opening up as sanatoriums soon enough.


NutLoose 9th Sep 2022 21:52


Originally Posted by Wokkafans (Post 11293885)

So screen collapsed allowing the bow wave to flood into the drivers hatch taking it down, hope there were no poor sods trapped in the back, not a way to go

rattman 9th Sep 2022 22:00


Originally Posted by NutLoose (Post 11293927)
So screen collapsed allowing the bow wave to flood into the drivers hatch taking it down, hope there were no poor sods trapped in the back, not a way to go

Its like a 5 year old video and apparently ukrainian bmp as they are talking ukrainian


BlankBox 10th Sep 2022 01:01


Originally Posted by rattman (Post 11293916)
Theres rumors coming out that Ukraine is going to ask for western support to house and feed the POW's. They have or expect to have over 20K

Then there's these....

https://imgur.com/a/C8SEBhY
:suspect:

Winemaker 10th Sep 2022 02:10


Originally Posted by BlankBox (Post 11293981)
Then there's these....

https://imgur.com/a/C8SEBhY
:suspect:

Don't know, BlankBox, I have my doubts about this post. I don't think Ukraine is going to do something like that, which seems to be implying shooting prisoners but I'm sure that's not what you meant. I'm guessing you could be referring to the number of Russian dead from this war.

Beamr 10th Sep 2022 04:05

Very interesting video of Ukrainian troops finding an abandoned Zoopark 1 counter artillery radar (about 4.30 into that video) with all sorts of gear around it including personal protection. Apparently it has been there for a while, then crew thought "f#@% this", changed to civilian clothes and scattered.


rattman 10th Sep 2022 05:23

Reports coming through that UA captured Kupyansk virtually uncontested. Multiple twitter sources are reporting it

Revnetwork 10th Sep 2022 05:37

Every Ukrainian in that video is speaking Russian. Just to buttress the fact for those who claim there is some sort of discrimination against the language in Ukraine.

Beamr 10th Sep 2022 06:07

To add some aviation content, nice POV from above in this video



https://twitter.com/KpsZSU/status/1568149441772666881

FlightDetent 10th Sep 2022 06:51

Not sure what the bylaws are for Reddit links:

https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/com...m_source=share

Flag swapping ceremony, alleged Kupiyansk administrative building in the downtown.

Point being, the railroad node is actually south of the city itself. Despite obvious glory and other benefits, the need to push and rollover the urban areas was not immediately there. Gesture of good-will, or?

Beamr 10th Sep 2022 07:18


Originally Posted by FlightDetent (Post 11294064)
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Point being, the railroad node is actually south of the city itself. Despite obvious glory and other benefits, the need to push and rollover the urban areas was not immediately there. Gesture of good-will, or?

I have no idea of the actual situation over there, but in general: I'd hate to advance to a defended urban area. If the city can be taken by just walking in I'd take it and fortify. It would be an opportunity too good to miss as tomorrow the orcs may be there and things get much more complicated (remember Mariupol).

Usertim 10th Sep 2022 07:26

Looks quite likely that Kupiansk has been liberated ( FD link does not work for me)

https://euromaidanpress.com/2022/09/...edia/?swcfpc=1

Church of St Nicholas in the background maybe. Can also see the radio transmitter on the map so ....

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Ku...4!4d37.6027997

fdr 10th Sep 2022 08:00

Is Ukraine about to have a war? (if so, why....?)
 
So, 6 months on, Russia has shown that the bear that the Russian military has been believed to be, was rather mistreated by it's masters in the Kremlin, while achieving saturation of institutional corruption. The smart weapons while they lasted were somewhat smarter than the management of their application, something that we can all give thanks for. The mighty Russian airforces front line fighters have been absent from the front line, the presence of or even the suspicion of presence of MANPADS which are now liberally supplied to the Ukrainian front lines. The SA-10 Grumble (S-300) and the development SA-21 Growler, (S-400) were sufficiently of concern to result in the CEO of Almaz-Antey being sent to the Gulags for his provision of applied design excellence. Same for the T-72 in it's various guises, along with the T-80's. The Russian Navy reminisces for the good ol' days, circa 1905, Tsusimskoye srazheniye, (Tsushimaoki-Kaisen, Battle of tsushima). Admirals Rozhestvensky and von Fölkersahm now have top cover for their efforts at Dogger Bank and Port Arthur... The Kursk submarine disaster is now eclipsed by the Moskva's efforts to remuster from Surface Force to Submarine Force. It is fortunate that Admiral Flota Sovetskogo Soyuza Kuznetsovwas indisposed through the hazards to health of smoking, and the remustering of PD-50 from Floating Dry Dock to Marine Hazard to Navigation. 'Gators got their tails chewed, VVS Su-25's seem to get through occasionally, 19 are toasted, they do seem to be unwelcome. 6 Su-24's, 10 Su-30's, 11 Su-34's and a smattering of Su-35's. The latter rides are the cream of the crop, and seem to have need for good hull liability cover (the city is probably not going to give good rates to the VVO at present).

Russia has shown that hypersonic missiles are going to be a pain. Ukraine responded and used gravity assist on some grenades and had arguably greater effect. Ukraine has shown that a little bit of planning for committed troops beats planning to beat your own conscripts and staff that should be committed. Putin has shown that he is to strategy as dog doo is to haute cuisine.

Nonetheless...

Why are we here? Why did Count d' Money veer off on a tear to make the mess that exists for Russia today?

1/5


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