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Wokkafans 5th Dec 2022 10:49


Originally Posted by Paul C (Post 11342463)
In the video of the Ka-52 shoot down that NutLoose posted what do people think actually struck it? It looks like a top down attack and reminds me of footage of BONUS artillery rounds.

The Ukrainian's are reported to have said "you'd never guess." Brimstone?

Video Mixdown 5th Dec 2022 11:11


Originally Posted by mickjoebill (Post 11342623)
In reference to long range drones, trading payload for batteries increases the range of a dji drone and if it is sacrificial, the range is doubled. We have seen small munitions dropped on trenches, what damage would such a munition do to a parked fighter jet or bomber?

The Lewes bomb devised by the SAS in WWII only weighed around 1lb and could easily destroy an aircraft.

henra 5th Dec 2022 11:11


Originally Posted by Wokkafans (Post 11342637)
The Ukrainian's are reported to have said "you'd never guess." Brimstone?

Looks rather to big for a Brimstone. But attack from above does indeed point to something unusual being done.

Tartiflette Fan 5th Dec 2022 11:13


Originally Posted by rattman (Post 11342620)
They only have 17 and sat photos from about a week ago had about 6 TU-160 at the airbase. So about 1/3 of the airframes were there

The German magazine focus.de quotes Ukrainian forces as saying that 14 Tu-95 bombers took off sometime after the explosions

NutLoose 5th Dec 2022 11:25

Probably the aim, make them shift them out of range and thus negate their effectiveness.

fdr 5th Dec 2022 11:28


Originally Posted by ORAC (Post 11342565)
Simultaneous attack at Dyagilevo, Ryazan. Russians reporting it was just a fuel tanker exploding - but they would, wouldn’t they they…..
Also reports of 2 x TU-95 damaged, so maybe confusion between the two attacks. Hopefully clear skies for BDR or we might never really know,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dyagilevo_(air_base)


All these explosions taking place at airfields and large, hard to repair, industrial sites inside Russia; it's almost as if having a long porous border with a people you've pissed off isn't such a good thing.
Chris Papallio, twitter.... :}

He might be on to something with that...

So, choppers near St Petes are not safe. TU-160 seems to be an endangered species, as is the Su-34. The Crimea is becoming high for ground risks of aircraft... as is flight risk/war cover I guess. The Black Sea is not healthy for surface skimmers, and not so good for dolphin wearers. The Baltic, Russia being a State sponsor of terrorism to the EU has a bit of a problem with trying to pass any territorial waters, they lost innocent passage, shame. That also keeps them out of Japanese home waters if Japan wants to acknowledge the EU status. All up, Kamchatsky seems like a nice place to place Russian air and naval assets. Nice place, toilets work, kind of. Harbour is interesting for ex fisheads. At some point, the Russian citizenry will probably start to notice the OHSA infractions at their main bases.

KarlADrage 5th Dec 2022 11:28

WarMonitor is reporting that Ukraine is currently under a significant cruise missile attack.

ORAC 5th Dec 2022 11:32

Reports that the Russians have launched 14 Bears from Engels, which is just about the entire wing.

Not enough time to have planned and launched an attack, so looks like they’re flushing the bombers to safer FOBs, presumably further east.

Which should severely hamper any further mass cruise missile attacks on Ukraine.

The other main Bear base is Ukrainka in the Far East, with around 42 aircraft, but that’s over 7,500km east of Moscow and deploying there would realistically take them out of the war.

fdr 5th Dec 2022 11:49


Originally Posted by KarlADrage (Post 11342659)
WarMonitor is reporting that Ukraine is currently under a significant cruise missile attack.

Must be a day ending with "Y". Vlad knows how to win hearts and minds. IIRC, bombing the stuffing out of the populace didn't win a war to date, although it has concentrated minds. If they are not able to hit military targets then they deserve the war crimes trials that are in their tea leaves, assuming that the UN's spineless bureaucrats don't give out flowers instead to Vlads terrorists.

ORAC 5th Dec 2022 11:55

Fair to say the Russian blogosphere aren’t happy. That poor defenceless airbase…..


https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....faf0ec5f10.png

jolihokistix 5th Dec 2022 12:16

Semantics at work again, but according to the letter of the law, if the Russians wish to get all precise all of a sudden, I noticed the Ukrainians said that they were hitting their own aircraft which were being used to bomb the Ukrainian populace, and which had been lifted from them some years ago.

GeeRam 5th Dec 2022 12:21


Originally Posted by ORAC (Post 11342662)
Reports that the Russians have launched 14 Bears from Engels, which is just about the entire wing.

Not enough time to have planned and launched an attack, so looks like they’re flushing the bombers to safer FOBs, presumably further east.

Or did the Ukraine have intel about a planned raid today, and the attack was an attempt to hit them as they were being readied....?

fdr 5th Dec 2022 12:26

Russia as an importer of oil?
 
The Angarsk oil terminal run by Transneft to the NW of Irkutsk on 27 NOV raises some questions.
  1. Is it time for Russia to give up cigarettes?
  2. The state of the oil refinery that was not burnt seemed to be consistent with the level of care that AK47's have been kept in, and that seems to be inconsistent with reliability in an arctic/permafrost area.
  3. If Russia is unable to remain a reliable supplier of oil to the residual recipients, how long will it be before the remainder clients are obliged to change their supplier to someone more reliable than Vlads Hermits.
  4. The EU declaration of Russia's status as a terrorist sponsor state will preclude shipments through EU related waters, so that is a problem unless Vlad has is Acme oil 'n gas pipeline kit handy.
  5. If product is unable to be used, how long until the well heads cease to operate?
  6. How does Russia going from an energy exporter to an importer impact the vibrant and welcoming economy of the kingdom of Rus?
That may be far fetched, but the fallout of that would give Vlad his entry in Guiness.

Ninthace 5th Dec 2022 12:29


Originally Posted by ORAC (Post 11342676)
Fair to say the Russian blogosphere aren’t happy. That poor defenceless airbase…..

I thought it was a tanker?

Tartiflette Fan 5th Dec 2022 14:59


Originally Posted by Ninthace (Post 11342689)
I thought it was a tanker?

That was the second incident

Wokkafans 5th Dec 2022 15:50

U.S. Altered Himars Rocket Launchers to Keep Ukraine From Firing Missiles Into Russia

Experts debate whether long-range missiles for Ukraine would deter Putin or widen war

​​​​​​​https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-alt...d=hp_lead_pos5

NutLoose 5th Dec 2022 15:51

Remember Forgotten fact that also 8 Tu-160, 3 TU-95, 575 Х-55, 124 train cars went to Russia from Ukraine in 1994 as part of Denuclearization Agreement.


NutLoose 5th Dec 2022 15:55


about 100 missiles at Ukraine, using these very same bombers. Ukraine has transferred to Russia 11 strategic bombers (Tu-160 and Tu-95) and hundreds of cruise missiles. Russia has integrated them into 37th Strategic Air Force Army, based in #Engels.



NutLoose 5th Dec 2022 16:18

With the other attack stating a tanker was hit and everyone assumes a fuel truck, I do wonder if it has been misinterpreted as a fuel truck in some of the posts, the reason I mention it is..


In addition to #Engels2, #Ukrainian Armed Forces also targeted #Ryazan Air Base where several Tu-22M2 & Tu-95MS Heavy Bombers of #Russian Air & Space Force are always on deployment. It is also home of Il-78\M tankers of 203rd Guards Independent Air Refueling Regiment.

ORAC 5th Dec 2022 16:36

A new but covert wave of mobilisation will begin in Russia in January 2023, according to multiple sources who have spoken to the 'We can explain' Telegram channel. It will reportedly include raids on places of residence to round up men for the army.…

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1...383335424.html

Wokkafans 5th Dec 2022 16:39

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Tartiflette Fan 5th Dec 2022 17:23


Originally Posted by ORAC (Post 11342800)
A new but covert wave of mobilisation will begin in Russia in January 2023, according to multiple sources who have spoken to the 'We can explain' Telegram channel. It will reportedly include raids on places of residence to round up men for the army.…

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1...383335424.html

QUOTE Well, under such circumstances "covert" can only mean not officially announced in the newspapers or on TV

ORAC 5th Dec 2022 17:23


With the other attack stating a tanker was hit and everyone assumes a fuel truck, I do wonder if it has been misinterpreted as a fuel truck in some of the posts
Presumably Russian Dyagilevo military air base near Ryazan, a tanker truck and a damaged Tu-22M3….


https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....fa24069f7.jpeg


​​​​​​​https://twitter.com/ralee85/status/1...PVc81YG_NUDPQw
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https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....0650f17b4.jpeg
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Usertim 5th Dec 2022 17:32

Worth pointing out that those Ukraine Bombers being chopped up was paid for by the US and executed under contract by Raytheon.

Also rather than handing over everything as part of Start or as a consequence of Budapest memorandum, Ukraine actually sold 11 Blackjacks to Russia in 2001 or so to pay gas bills. As far as I see Russia failed to pay the full agreed amount in the end.

Other details of Ukraine giving up their ALCM fleet can be found here.

https://www.nti.org/wp-content/uploa...ine_bomber.pdf

ORAC 5th Dec 2022 17:35

Another photo of the Russian Tu-22M3 bomber (RF-34110) damaged in today’s strike on Dyagilevo. It is armed with a Kh-22 missile under its wing.


https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....ec7a4187a.jpeg
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Beamr 5th Dec 2022 18:22

Defensenews: US plans to increase the production of 155mm artillery shells six fold. What caught my eye in the article is bolded underneath. This time the lend/lease goes against the Russkies... (but against the fascists, again. Take that, Putler).

“We are in a position to support Ukraine, but it’s more the mid and long term,” Bush said. “By creating this capacity ... if this war goes three or four years, we’ll be in a position to just vastly outproduce the Russians all by ourselves ― and if you combine that with our allies, then we’re just dwarfing their capability. They won’t be able to keep up.”

"Beyond artillery shells, Bush said he is pushing to double production for the the most in-demand precision munitions for Ukraine: rounds for the Lockheed Martin-made High Mobility Artillery Rocket System and Guided Multiple Launch Rocket System, as well as Javelins, the portable anti-tank weapon jointly made by Lockheed and Raytheon Technologies."

https://www.defensenews.com/pentagon...drains-stocks/

NutLoose 5th Dec 2022 18:26

I would say that’s a starter truck not a refuel truck.


https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....c5c7fe6051.png



https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....49830608d2.jpg

Peter_K 5th Dec 2022 19:18


Originally Posted by Big Pistons Forever (Post 11342254)
Re WWW 3

Look at the shyte storm right after pieces of a Ukrainian anti air missal landed in Poland with 2 dead.

Pieces? Pieces of a missile don't leave a crater few meters wide and deep and don't flip a tractor with a trailer as if it was a toy.

Wokkafans 5th Dec 2022 20:15

Estonia buys HIMARS, as eastern allies boost artillery arsenals

https://www.defensenews.com/global/e.../?utm_source=s

ORAC 5th Dec 2022 20:20

The important thing is the attack itself, as it means Russia now has to honour the threat in future. With no HAS or revetments they’ll have to disperse their entire TU-95/22/160 fleets to FOB outside threat range - severely limiting their ability to launch further ALCM attacks.

​​​​​​​Russian military researcher explains that such a tight arrangement of strategic bombers at airbases is due to a lack of expenditure in this type of weaponry, and only a few airbases are ready to take them.

Beamr 5th Dec 2022 20:29

Russian sources claim that it was a soviet era TU-141 drone that hit the Rjazan-Dyagilevo airbase.

I thought it was the tanker.





Beamr 5th Dec 2022 20:55

Long thread and worth reading by Ukrainian ground troops on RuAF SU-34 crash site.



ORAC 5th Dec 2022 21:47

Basic fact, Russia cannot out produce 27 co7ntries with GDPs far larger - and able to outbid them on the world market for weapons - or sanction those that seem willing to supply them..

https://www.defensenews.com/smr/reag...ordinary-rate/

Russia burning through ammunition in Ukraine at ‘extraordinary’ rate

https://www.defensenews.com/pentagon...drains-stocks/

Army plans ‘dramatic’ ammo production boost as Ukraine drains stocks

https://www.defensenews.com/global/e...rt-to-ukraine/

Nordic nations may pool their growing military support to Ukraine


Wokkafans 5th Dec 2022 22:32

Pretty large missile:


NutLoose 5th Dec 2022 23:32


Originally Posted by Beamr (Post 11342894)
Russian sources claim that it was a soviet era TU-141 drone that hit the Rjazan-Dyagilevo airbase.

I thought it was the tanker.



https://twitter.com/Tendar/status/1599838787059986432

That possibly makes sense, start with something you know and have that is proven technology with the range needed, you can then use one as a blueprint to mass produce them and improve on the design, new guidance, large payload and possibly the engine. A quicker scenario than starting from scratch.

https://twitter.com/search?q=Tu-141%...rc=typed_query

NutLoose 6th Dec 2022 00:25

Preliminary lessons on the Ukrainian war and lessons the West and the RAF need to learn from it amongst other things.

https://rusi.org/explore-our-researc...uary-july-2022

RatherBeFlying 6th Dec 2022 00:27

You don't need missiles to take out substations
 
Tens of thousands in North Carolina without power after substations hit with gunfire

Lots of targets in Russia for the specops folks. Tit for tat:E

Winemaker 6th Dec 2022 03:46

Anyone have suggestions about a good place to donate to help Ukraine? I'd like to send some money but hesitate because of scammers.

ORAC 6th Dec 2022 03:57

In the waning days of November and early December, 1863, the U.S. Army of the Potomac engaged in a series of abortive offensives in Virginia known as the Mine Run Campaign. It was inconclusive from the operational perspective and the armies went into winter camps….


https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1...621378560.html

B Fraser 6th Dec 2022 04:21


Originally Posted by Winemaker (Post 11343026)
Anyone have suggestions about a good place to donate to help Ukraine? I'd like to send some money but hesitate because of scammers.

Fundraiser by John Parker : John's Red Bus Ukraine War Refugee Fundraiser (gofundme.com)

A Ukranian friend put me in touch with this lot and I have driven consignments of goods to their depot. PM me if you want more info. I'm back in Blighty next week.


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