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NutLoose 22nd Aug 2022 09:30

I think you can count this as a hit as well


Giving them a hint they are not wanted.


NutLoose 22nd Aug 2022 09:57

They must be worried that one of them has a SAM in his budgie smugglers.



Smile, you're now on the Ukrainian target list..




fdr 22nd Aug 2022 10:46

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the little airport just north of Sevastopol, at aeroport Imeni A. Koltunovoy would seem to be an open invitation unless the guests have left the building. Some 40+ Su-31/35 and a smattering of MiG-29, and a handful of L-39's. Hopefully safely near Vladivostok or some other safe area. 5nm ENE of harbor... looks like a great place to spend time in speedo's, for tourists with smartphones and FB accounts.

44°41'11.25"N 33°34'21.57"E

MPN11 22nd Aug 2022 11:01

Wow ... they do like to park close together in straight lines! Bless them!

NutLoose 22nd Aug 2022 11:51


Originally Posted by MPN11 (Post 11282971)
Wow ... they do like to park close together in straight lines! Bless them!

And often with munitions stacked between them, they obviously haven't watched the film Pearl Harbour ;)

It looks like the Kherson bridge is taking a caning again, and in daylight.

https://twitter.com/bayraktar_1love

https://twitter.com/bayraktar_1love/status/1561656619615780864?cxt=HHwWgICwlf2aj6wrAAAA

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ORAC 22nd Aug 2022 13:37

Mind boggling incompetence by the Russians in executing a false-flag op.

Ignoring the totally out of proportion head on the photo, as stated we asked to believe not only that she took the pass into Russia with her - but presented it to Russian border security when leaving so they could photograph it….


hunterboy 22nd Aug 2022 13:46

Yet again, a pretty face has been the downfall of a man. When will we ever learn?

NutLoose 22nd Aug 2022 14:14

:E


ORAC 22nd Aug 2022 14:31

Locals from occupied #Kherson city report that the automotive Antonisvkiy bridge across the Dnipro river is no more.

Today, #Ukraine AF struck the bridge again right at the moment when 9 Russian trucks full of ammo were crossing it. Ammo explosions facilitated its destruction.


https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....da6b3d39a.jpeg

dead_pan 22nd Aug 2022 15:15


Originally Posted by etudiant (Post 11282575)
In that case, taking out one of his close associates

But Dugin isn't, is he? This is a figment of the west's imagination, by many accounts.


To me, that is too complicated, it is simpler to attribute this to a foreign intelligence service
You mean the SBU? Anyone else would be far from "simple" to attribute.

As fdr noted, who would benefit from this? Hard to tell at this distance, even more so because we're talking about Russia.

dead_pan 22nd Aug 2022 15:25


Originally Posted by ORAC (Post 11283070)
Mind boggling incompetence by the Russians in executing a false-flag op.

Ignoring the totally out of proportion head on the photo, as stated we asked to believe not only that she took the pass into Russia with her - but presented it to Russian border security when leaving so they could photograph it….

They never really try that hard. I think there's an FSB directorate dedicated to retrospectively planting the most incriminating evidence at crime scenes (passports, explosives, signed confessions, letters from Zelensky wishing them bon chance etc etc) to cover up their incompetence in thwarting such attacks.

NutLoose 22nd Aug 2022 15:32


Originally Posted by dead_pan (Post 11283134)
They never really try that hard. I think there's an FSB directorate dedicated to retrospectively planting the most incriminating evidence at crime scenes (passports, explosives, signed confessions, letters from Zelensky wishing them bon chance etc etc) to cover up their incompetence in thwarting such attacks.


Could be anyone, rent a model?


why would you not check on the driver if it had just happened and possibly the passenger as the door was open..


FUMR 22nd Aug 2022 15:32

They don't need to try very hard to convince a sufficient majority (of Russians) who know no better than to believe the BS they are fed by the Kremlin and the FSB.

NutLoose 22nd Aug 2022 16:03

Downed Ukrainian helicopter, I hope they got out of it.


Sue Vêtements 22nd Aug 2022 16:07


Originally Posted by NutLoose (Post 11283139)

why would you not check on the driver if it had just happened and possibly the passenger as the door was open..

I don't know but I think there are enough holes in that car that I'd just get the hell out of there asap! I might even be prepared to drive through that small waterfall of god knows what coming out of that pipe over the road

Shelling? It looks to me like there was a lot of gunfire into the drivers side then a round through the windshield (or maybe the other way round)

fdr 22nd Aug 2022 16:18


Originally Posted by NutLoose (Post 11283001)
And often with munitions stacked between them, they obviously haven't watched the film Pearl Harbour ;) .

Reenacting Jules Verne's "From the Earth to the moon"?

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....3031406276.png



fdr 22nd Aug 2022 16:40


Originally Posted by ORAC (Post 11283070)
Mind boggling incompetence by the Russians in executing a false-flag op.

Ignoring the totally out of proportion head on the photo, as stated we asked to believe not only that she took the pass into Russia with her - but presented it to Russian border security when leaving so they could photograph it….

Count Vlad came from the same sphere as a middling desk officer, why would anyone expect that his genius as a tactician would be much different to the Keystone Kops that set up the false flag ops? They could be a sitcom after this naughtiness has all calmed down. The Return of the Pink Pukin? or a spaghetti eastern? The Bortch and bumble?

The probability of a young lady bringing her child, a cup of semtex, a few joke alarm clocks with BOMB written on them, and a baby daughter into a country that is at war with apparently her team, and then, she gets the intel to go and pop a cork but gets the wrong ultra right-wing fascist.... then leaves her ID behind and a copy of her army ID.. presumably with a letter of confession for all to read.... so that the Keystone Kops Kan Krack the Kaise... Golly, who would have thunked it!

NutLoose 22nd Aug 2022 18:38

Qit looks like they are using the Kherson bridge as cover for the pontoon ferry, dropping a few mines into the river upstream might work ;)


Tartiflette Fan 22nd Aug 2022 19:12

Ukraine gives (indirect) number of war dead
 
This is a rather indirect report, so bear with me.

On Monday the Interfax news agency reported that in a forum in Kiew, Walerij Saluschny , head of the Ukrainian army said that Ukrainian children deserved special attention because almost 9 000 of their fathers had died.as heroes. This was further reported in the German magazine focus.de

https://www.focus.de/politik/ausland..._52139887.html

If true this is an astonishing difference to their reported number of 40 000 Russians killed so far, but both numbers remain somewhat mysterious.

rattman 22nd Aug 2022 20:44


Originally Posted by NutLoose (Post 11283156)
Downed Ukrainian helicopter, I hope they got out of it.

This has been going around for a few days. Crashed due to mechanical failure, all the crew the survived

Edit looks like it surfaced over a month ago, saw it first time a week ago and it was considered old at that point

ORAC 22nd Aug 2022 21:25

🙂🙂

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https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....42c1c106e.jpeg

ACW342 22nd Aug 2022 23:43

Nothing new, I’ve been watching RAFAIR 7… out over the Black Sea for quite awhile. More interesting was RAFAIR 7… having a look around Murmansk a couple of times last week. My dad (PO stoker, HMS Nubian) was also in Murmansk a couple of times, but he and his crew mates were welcomed at the time, though the Germans tried to stop them getting there. Oh, and he didn’t get his Arctic Convoys Medal until 1985 ish. Strange old world.

NutLoose 23rd Aug 2022 02:29


Originally Posted by Tartiflette Fan (Post 11283240)
This is a rather indirect report, so bear with me.

On Monday the Interfax news agency reported that in a forum in Kiew, Walerij Saluschny , head of the Ukrainian army said that Ukrainian children deserved special attention because almost 9 000 of their fathers had died.as heroes. This was further reported in the German magazine focus.de

https://www.focus.de/politik/ausland..._52139887.html

If true this is an astonishing difference to their reported number of 40 000 Russians killed so far, but both numbers remain somewhat mysterious.

That might be a clever play on the figures as it does not mention mothers and there is a percentage of those in the military, nor single men.

I would guess there always will be a lower number of defenders as they tend to operate from prepared defensive positions, you just have to look at the confirmed vehicular kills to see the difference between sides.

ORAC 23rd Aug 2022 07:28

RETURNS WELCOME: Saudi Arabia recently purchased Grim-2 ballistic missile systems from Ukraine. These weapons greatly exceed the payload, range and reliability of Russian Iskander SSMs. Saudi has announced it will return the Grim-2s to Ukraine: they will now put Moscow in range.


mickjoebill 23rd Aug 2022 07:46

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Tartiflette Fan 23rd Aug 2022 08:21


Originally Posted by NutLoose (Post 11283402)
, you just have to look at the confirmed vehicular kills to see the difference between sides.

Where did you see numbers of Ukrainian vehicle losses, Nutty, and what are they ?

NutLoose 23rd Aug 2022 09:25


Originally Posted by Tartiflette Fan (Post 11283521)
Where did you see numbers of Ukrainian vehicle losses, Nutty, and what are they ?

Verified Russian vehicle losses I.E photographed. List constantly updated as film or photos come in, it also show them all by type and image.

https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/0...equipment.html

Russia - 5321, of which: destroyed: 3454, damaged: 125, abandoned: 309, captured: 1433


Verified Ukrainian vehicle losses I.E photographed. List constantly updated as film or photos come in, it also show them all by type and image.

https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/0...ukrainian.html

Ukraine - 1517, of which: destroyed: 840, damaged: 36, abandoned: 36, captured: 605


They will vary, these are just the ones that can and have been verified.


ORAC 23rd Aug 2022 09:42

BREAKING: The EU is discussing a major military training operation for Ukrainian forces….

This announcement is triggering outrage in Moscow. Higher School of Economics Professor Leonid Polyakov is citing this as proof of the EU's hand in the Ukraine war and warns it could increase the risk of World War III…

Tartiflette Fan 23rd Aug 2022 10:32

30 T-72 from Slovakia in exchange for 15 Leopard 2A4
 
Agreement reached between Slovakia and Germany to allow supply of 30 T72 to Ukraine. Germany will supply 15 Leopard 2A4 to Slovakia, starting late '22 This had been under discussion for some time and looked like falling apart two months ago when Slovakia said that it wasn't a fair exchange and they needed more than 15.

https://www.focus.de/politik/ausland..._57275780.html

Timmy Tomkins 23rd Aug 2022 10:55


Originally Posted by fdr (Post 11282957)
[aviation content]

the little airport just north of Sevastopol, at aeroport Imeni A. Koltunovoy would seem to be an open invitation unless the guests have left the building. Some 40+ Su-31/35 and a smattering of MiG-29, and a handful of L-39's. Hopefully safely near Vladivostok or some other safe area. 5nm ENE of harbor... looks like a great place to spend time in speedo's, for tourists with smartphones and FB accounts.

44°41'11.25"N 33°34'21.57"E

Looks like a Rossiya Special Flight Squadron landed there just now

rattman 23rd Aug 2022 11:05


Originally Posted by Tartiflette Fan (Post 11283588)
Agreement reached between Slovakia and Germany to allow supply of 30 T72 to Ukraine. Germany will supply 15 Leopard 2A4 to Slovakia, starting late '22 This had been under discussion for some time and looked like falling apart two months ago when Slovakia said that it wasn't a fair exchange and they needed more than 15.

https://www.focus.de/politik/ausland..._57275780.html

Slovakia is committed to building a mechanised heavy tank brigade (30 tanks) cant see why they would trade the 30 tanks they and need for 15 and then have to find another 15. Guess we will know after the Press Conference

NutLoose 23rd Aug 2022 11:28

From Sky


Kremlin analyst Olga Lautman reported that Dugin had suffered a heart attack, quoting his close ally Sergei Markov.

Mr Markov posted on his Telegram channel: "Poor Alexander Dugin. He is in the hospital now. Our huge condolences."

Several reports have also suggested Putin carried out the plot.

Russian expert Anders Aslund tweeted: "It appears most likely that Putin killed Darya Dugina. He has that habit.

"The videos at her house were out. Alexander Dugin was supposed to be in the car. Why would Ukraine waste resources on such a target?"

"Given Putin's fondness of false flag operations, it is most likely that he ordered Dugin to be blown up, making it look as done by the Ukrainians, while Dugin's daughter was blown up instead. More such murders are likely."
Let's hope they have given him a 9th floor room with a window looking out over the Kremlin, odd the videos were out, they got some excellent shots of the alleged Ukrainian hit woman.

dead_pan 23rd Aug 2022 11:30

Pretty poor show by sections of the UK press today, plastering pictures of Natalia Voyk all over their front pages. She's been implicated by Russia FFS! Why do they continually amplify their propaganda BS??

ORAC 23rd Aug 2022 11:31

Hot tip for Dugin - don’t drink the tea….

dead_pan 23rd Aug 2022 11:33


Originally Posted by ORAC (Post 11283560)
BREAKING: The EU is discussing a major military training operation for Ukrainian forces….

This announcement is triggering outrage in Moscow. Higher School of Economics Professor Leonid Polyakov is citing this as proof of the EU's hand in the Ukraine war and warns it could increase the risk of World War III…

The latest in a long line of alleged provocations, which Russia will do nothing about (again).

NutLoose 23rd Aug 2022 11:55

The pontoon bridge the Russians are building, no point hitting it yet I suppose, let them expend energy, resources and time building it, before taking it out before it's completed.


https://vietnam.info-teknologi.web.i...hao-o-kherson/

NutLoose 23rd Aug 2022 12:21

Caution Aviation Content: A little bit of Ukraine giving back.



NutLoose 23rd Aug 2022 12:45

Very very good articles with high res photos of the early air invasion of Ukraine as summarised by the Czech Airforce... WORTH READING

Translated versions for you
Part 1

https://czechairforce-com.translate...._x_tr_pto=wapp

Part 2

https://czechairforce-com.translate...._x_tr_pto=wapp

skua 23rd Aug 2022 13:37

French / German rivalry
 
Interesting article in today's Le Figaro,. It implies France will not want to be out spent by Germany. It would be funny if a Franco-German spending competition was added to the long list of Putain's achievements.
Obviously the data assumes all current German kit is a) decent, b) in working order.

Sorry but photo of the article won't load.

Lonewolf_50 23rd Aug 2022 14:16


Originally Posted by Tartiflette Fan (Post 11283588)
Agreement reached between Slovakia and Germany to allow supply of 30 T72 to Ukraine. Germany will supply 15 Leopard 2A4 to Slovakia, starting late '22 This had been under discussion for some time and looked like falling apart two months ago when Slovakia said that it wasn't a fair exchange and they needed more than 15. https://www.focus.de/politik/ausland..._57275780.html

I am sure this will get sorted out in due course.

Originally Posted by NutLoose (Post 11283687)
Very very good articles with high res photos of the early air invasion of Ukraine as summarised by the Czech Airforce.

Nice find, Nutty! Thank you. :ok:


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