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fdr 19th Apr 2023 21:54


Originally Posted by NutLoose (Post 11422339)
Stepping on a mine. One of their own? as they are a Russian design



https://twitter.com/MSUAYOUTUBE/stat...05863341424640

F-Troop rides again.

The boy is lucky, he might live to live again. With a limp and a story for his grandkids about his part in the great criminal action of Putin in Putins war of 1999-[fill in the blank] Putin has attacked and murdered in neighbouring countries, starting from his elevation as a Bata shoe salesman in Wellington NZL (pronounced willingtun, feller) to his rise to PM on 19AUG99 and the maskirovska attack on the apartments in Moscow on 4SEP99.... gotta say he was enthusiastic about being a criminal.

Today, Transnistria... so, keeping Lord Vladimort and his cronies at arms length seems to be worthwhile.

Abrahn 19th Apr 2023 23:13


Originally Posted by pattern_is_full (Post 11422536)
The Air Guard guy who leaked the documents was an IT person - you know, maintaining the computers and network, and making sure the documents were properly backed up and so on. Which is why he had the clearance to see such things - he just abused the privilege.

Doesn't need access to the plain text documents to do that. Lazy and/or self important IT people will tell you that they do, but they don't. They can quite happily backup the encrypted files without ever knowing the decryption keys. And *somebody else* can backup the keys. Similarly perfectly possible to maintain the network without being able to read the traffic.

For real world analogies - my postman can deliver letters without opening the envelope and your tank mechanic can swap the oil without ever knowing the precise chemical makeup of the oil.

NutLoose 20th Apr 2023 05:23

Update on the state of play from Ukraine’s point of view.


ORAC 20th Apr 2023 08:21

The Ukrainian government announced that all promised Patriot air defense systems from the Netherlands, the US and Germany have arrived in Ukraine.


https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....93c6a1fece.png

ACW342 20th Apr 2023 09:08

Boredom
 

Originally Posted by bugged on the right (Post 11422483)
For goodness sake Nutloose, post something. Anything.


Originally Posted by 212man (Post 11422506)
Sorry to bore you! I find it quite a privilege to be able to see the combined multinational surveillance activities taking place every day. Literally whilst walking to the pub, they’re flying overhead. The area I’m staying in is also populated by about 85% Ukrainian refugees, which adds another dimension to my perspective.

As 212 man says, sorry to bore you. I was, however, of the opinion that this is an aviation oriented web site, to do with flying machines and everything about them and interesting in different ways to different people and most certainly, I would suggest, not boring to many. Personally I find lots of posts on this thread have little to do with aviation and even some that have no relation to this egregious war being conducted by Russia. But someone somewhere might be interested in such posts, so i merely ignore them and pass them by. And yes, as 212 man says, it is, to me, quite a privilege to watch those who were once upon a time my colleagues and friends going about their business.

ORAC 20th Apr 2023 10:00

The Russian government has already spent a third of its budget for 2023 amidst a record level of spending and a collapse in oil and gas revenues, according to Russian economists. The government will need to make a 40% cut in daily spending to meet its annual budget. ⬇️

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1...657562624.html

NutLoose 20th Apr 2023 10:25

Repairing military vehicles at the front.


bugged on the right 20th Apr 2023 10:32

Well leave them to go about their business. This is certainly a military aviation thread but we don't need a running commentary on what is appearing on a flight tracking app. Please start a new thread. Perhaps call it "What are they doing now?" You might also include some ATIS info as well.

NutLoose 20th Apr 2023 10:55

It appears the propogandists are ramping up the USA nuclear exercises and saying they are preparing a strike on.... Hmmmm difficult one that.. Russia? possible... China? maybe but doubtful... Poland?, yup it has to be Poland.... :ugh: Where do they get these people from?


NutLoose 20th Apr 2023 11:32

Good news, inflation is falling in the UK, apparently according to Russia, Prostitutes are cheaper meaning your pound can stretch even further.. :p


FUMR 20th Apr 2023 12:52

Nutty, they could only have got that information from extensive investigations by their spies! :E

NutLoose 20th Apr 2023 12:54

:sad:


T28B 20th Apr 2023 13:32

Friendly reminder to focus on the war, and post the Jet Blast worthy stuff in Jet Blast.
Uncle Fred began a whole thread for that stuff.

NutLoose 20th Apr 2023 14:23

This isn't good news



ACW342 20th Apr 2023 15:43

Cancel Culture on PPrune
 

Originally Posted by bugged on the right (Post 11422844)
Well leave them to go about their business. This is certainly a military aviation thread but we don't need a running commentary on what is appearing on a flight tracking app. Please start a new thread. Perhaps call it "What are they doing now?" You might also include some ATIS info as well.

Ah! Cancel Culture on an aviation thread. Who are "Them" and what business do you want them to go about? And as for "We" who are they and what business are they about that you feel that you represent all of "We" Or is "We" a misnomer or misspelling of "me"

That I should find someone who is not a moderator telling me to go elsewhere on these pages is, no matter the thread, utterly disgraceful. I will leave the matter here and if the moderators wish to say anything I welcome that. I will say that I find the presence of a commentary on a very important part of what this thread is about more interesting than a Russian statement on the supposed cost of a prostitute in London.

A342

langleybaston 20th Apr 2023 16:04


Originally Posted by ACW342 (Post 11423033)
Ah! Cancel Culture on an aviation thread. Who are "Them" and what business do you want them to go about? And as for "We" who are they and what business are they about that you feel that you represent all of "We" Or is "We" a misnomer or misspelling of "me"

That I should find someone who is not a moderator telling me to go elsewhere on these pages is, no matter the thread, utterly disgraceful. I will leave the matter here and if the moderators wish to say anything I welcome that. I will say that I find the presence of a commentary on a very important part of what this thread is about more interesting than a Russian statement on the supposed cost of a prostitute in London.

A342

Sorry to say that I think you are over-reacting to a reasonable request which included "please" and made a valid suggestion which would have been a smooth way forward. I am sure that "cancel culture" was not involved.
The forum is a broad church and more-or-less self moderating. Please count ten and keep us informed on a new thread. Please.

bugged on the right 20th Apr 2023 16:04

Them refers to overflying aircraft presumably doing their jobs (their business). We have a pretty good idea of what they do. There are some very prolific and well informed posters who are a lot of readers primary source of information. You can refer to 'we' as me if you like. I don't care But please refrain from posting spotters sightings from apps I can consult myself. It clogs up a good thread with unnecessary trivia.

Winemaker 20th Apr 2023 17:24

An indication the Russian military is heading into Potemkin land. From Moscow Times (not a Russian paper)

The commander of the Russian Navy’s Pacific Fleet has been removed from his post, President Vladimir Putin’s envoy to the Russian Far East said Thursday.

The reshuffle was announced a week after the Pacific Fleet was ordered to stage surprise combat drills to repel a theoretical enemy landing.

Presidential envoy Yury Trutnev said Admiral Sergei Avakyants, 66, who has commanded the Pacific Fleet since 2012, will now head a new organization that oversees military training and patriotic education.

“Avakyants, who until recently commanded the Pacific Fleet, will be in charge of the the headquarters,” Trutnev said.

Russia’s Pacific Fleet, which is based in the port of Vladivostok, has not commented on the reshuffle.

There is no public information about Avakyants' replacement.

Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu put the Pacific Fleet on high alert Friday for snap exercises in the southern part of the Sea of Okhotsk to repulse rocket and aviation attacks on Sakhalin Island and the southern Kuril islands.

The southern Kuril islands are at the heart of a decades-long dispute between Mosc
https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2023/...mmander-a80886

NutLoose 20th Apr 2023 20:58

Lol,


i do wonder if he actually said this..

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Ninthace 20th Apr 2023 22:04

Perhaps replace it with a turret tossing competition. Marks for height, distance and artistic impression.

jolihokistix 21st Apr 2023 02:51

How would you accidentally bomb your own city?
Russian plane accidentally strikes Russian city near Ukraine border leaving 20m crater | Ukraine | The Guardian

GlobalNav 21st Apr 2023 03:00


Originally Posted by jolihokistix (Post 11423293)

I can’t explain it, but I hope it’s a trend.

Uberteknik 21st Apr 2023 06:15


Originally Posted by GlobalNav (Post 11423295)
I can’t explain it, but I hope it’s a trend.


Originally Posted by jolihokistix (Post 11423293)

Looked at the RT website this morning which has a small article posted as the fifth story on the home page.

State media heavily playing it down with deflection focusing on the continual Ukraine attacks of Belgorod. A couple of images showing minor damage to the road and a few cars. Nothing to see here. Move along, types of comment.

The final sentence perhaps gives a clue that the 'accidental' release may have been a malfunctioning glide bomb (or perhaps incorrectly selected conventional bomb) that dropped on Belgorod instead of flew to its intended target?

Quote: "The Russian military has stepped up airstrikes against Ukrainian targets over the past several weeks, using specially modified FAB-500 glide bombs dropped from strike aircraft such as the Su-34."

dogle 21st Apr 2023 07:24

Thanks, Uberteknik, for that headsup.
This Kyivpost article the other week shows an intriguing image of a lashup of applique-wings on a conventional bomb - allegedly Russian - purportedly attached to Su-34.

https://www.kyivpost.com/post/15165

It is unclear, at least to me, what triggers wing extension on release of the bomb, and I'd rather not be below the release point.

ramble on 21st Apr 2023 07:38

This……at last......the perfect job for ex-RAAF F18s.....

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zon...ven-to-ukraine

ORAC 21st Apr 2023 07:53

Video of bomb dropped on Belgorod.

Substantial delay between impact and sub-surface explosion so doesn’t seem a FAE, more a bunker buster.


https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....9ccc8f1cd.jpeg
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jolihokistix 21st Apr 2023 08:20

In Dmitri's link, is that a car or a motorbike flying over that row of houses with its headlights still on?

FUMR 21st Apr 2023 09:14

I'm surprised that they have admitted to it and didn't try to pass it off as a Ukrainian strike.

jolihokistix 21st Apr 2023 09:58

Perhaps the pilot officially reported an "oops, wrong button" moment?

Senior Pilot 22nd Apr 2023 00:52

With more than 500 pages, 16,000+ posts and 17+ million views the time has come to start a new Thread here in the Mil Forum: https://www.pprune.org/military-avia...ad-no-2-a.html


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