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MJ89 21st Apr 2022 15:14

shotdown, Russian jet fighter near Izyum, pilots ejected


macmp419 21st Apr 2022 15:53


Originally Posted by MJ89 (Post 11218937)

shotdown, Russian jet fighter near Izyum, pilots ejected


Su-25 being reported on various outlets.

Recc 21st Apr 2022 15:55


Originally Posted by macmp419 (Post 11218949)
Su-25 being reported on various outlets.

With two parachutes?

macmp419 21st Apr 2022 15:56

Also a video of a what is being said to be a Ka-52 being taken out doing the rounds.

"https://twitter.com/OsintTv/status/1517153720328286210"

macmp419 21st Apr 2022 16:02


Originally Posted by Recc (Post 11218951)
With two parachutes?

I didn't say that they were reliable outlets! However you make a valid point and I should have spotted that :}

Wokkafans 21st Apr 2022 16:04

Two more in Zaporizhzhia Oblast - tweets variously report 2 x Mi-8 or 1x Mi-8 and a Ka-52. Igla appears to be the weapon of choice.


dead_pan 21st Apr 2022 17:13

Further to my post yesterday about Ukraine becoming a huge test range for Western defence companies:

Beamr 21st Apr 2022 17:17

Satellite images reveal more mass graves in Mariupol.

https://www.businessinsider.com/sate...assault-2022-4

Vzlet 21st Apr 2022 17:22


Originally Posted by Recc (Post 11218951)
With two parachutes?

There are (combat capable) two-seat versions.

Wokkafans 21st Apr 2022 17:27

Free mouse and handbook with selected Ka-52.


NutLoose 21st Apr 2022 20:13

That’s on the apron where the AN225 is, you can see the hangar so was probably taken out by artillery?

NutLoose 21st Apr 2022 20:18

More artillery but why is it always appearing to be to slow and to late, everything appears to be on catch-up



The Phoenix Ghost is a simplified version of the Switchblade specifically designed for the Ukrainians


NutLoose 21st Apr 2022 21:03

Interesting thoughts of Russian EW and starlinks ability to react to Russian interference.


After SpaceX sent Starlink terminals to Ukraine in February in an apparent effort to help Ukraine maintain its internet connection amid war with Russia, SpaceX founder Elon Musk claimed that Russia had jammed Starlink terminals in the country for hours at a time. After a software update, Starlink was operating normally, said Musk, who added on March 25 that the constellation had “resisted all hacking & jamming attempts” in Ukraine.

Assuming Musk — famously something of a showboater in his public comments — is providing an accurate picture, a private firm beating back Russian EW attempts with software updates is the kind of thing that makes Pentagon EW experts pay attention.

“From an EW technologist perspective, that is fantastic. That paradigm and how they did that is kind of eyewatering to me,” said Dave Tremper, director of electronic warfare for the Pentagon’s acquisition office. “The way that Starlink was able to upgrade when a threat showed up, we need to be able to have that ability. We have to be able to change our electromagnetic posture, to be able to change very dynamically what we’re trying to do without losing capability along the way.”


“I think we expected a much stronger EW presence,” Tremper said. “Which isn’t to say that it’s not there, but I think the degree of coordination and synchronization of these types of operations is such that the undertrained operator will have a hard time pulling off those types of events successfully.”

Brig. Gen. Tad Clark, the Air Force’s director of electromagnetic spectrum superiority, prefaced his statements by acknowledging that he couldn’t detail specifics about what the United States is gleaning about the Russian electronic warfare threat based on its activities in Ukraine.

However, he noted that those activities do more than simply provide information about Russia’s technological capabilities — they also paint a picture about whether Russia has the capital necessary to execute that mission.

“We’re learning a lot what Russia has been investing their money in, the sophistication and the reliability of their equipment, and.. their ability to execute that mission in a synchronized fashion,” he said. “It gives us some insight of where certain countries are, where we are, where we need to be, and where we want to be.”
https://breakingdefense.com/2022/04/...-dod-official/

ORAC 21st Apr 2022 22:17

Thread on what we can learn from the air war.. Anyone fancy an exchange tour with the UKrAF?


rattman 21st Apr 2022 22:46


Originally Posted by NutLoose (Post 11219060)


The Phoenix Ghost is a simplified version of the Switchblade specifically designed for the Ukrainians

Been reading from other sources just a offbrand switchblade with the a tube launching functionality removed. Has to be assembled and launched by hand, its cheaper and have more efficient wing surfaces, but less convient to launch

MAINJAFAD 21st Apr 2022 23:02


Originally Posted by Wokkafans (Post 11218955)
Two more in Zaporizhzhia Oblast - tweets variously report 2 x Mi-8 or 1x Mi-8 and a Ka-52. Igla appears to be the weapon of choice.

https://twitter.com/CanadianUkrain1/...vbEGLjTiVsAxYw

Stinger and Igla apparently.


NutLoose 21st Apr 2022 23:15

I do hope this is true, Slovenia, you rock


Sue Vêtements 21st Apr 2022 23:18


Ukrainian paratroopers shot down a russian helicopter with a Stinger. And when the second helicopter arrived, it was shot down by Marines.
It's hard to believe how fast those things fly (not the helicopters obviously)

almost like you wouldn't need any deflection

fdr 22nd Apr 2022 03:07


Originally Posted by Vzlet (Post 11218986)
There are (combat capable) two-seat versions.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_JvTqwaUbI

Why would you normally send a 2-seater with both seats occupied into contested airspace? That seems to be taking OJT a bit too seriously when there are losses accruing. Could there be a bottom-of-the-barrel situation with the SU-25 fleet availability? Still seems cavalier to assume that you don't get to lose 2 pilots instead of 1.

fdr 22nd Apr 2022 03:20

Data from 24FEB-12MAR....
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