Is Russia building up an excuse for invasion? This has the distinct odour of the shelling of Mainila in 1939.
Shoigu: Private US Military Firms Preparing Provocations With Chemical Components in Eastern Ukraine https://sputniknews.com/20211221/sho...091693740.html |
Originally Posted by dead_pan
(Post 11159089)
I reckon Putin dreams about 'liberating' Ukraine, Moldova, the Baltics, then striking though Romania to hook up with Serbia, one happy Slavic orthodox union (or more likely not).
The Russian Army is a significant force. But it is a gazillion Years away from being able to do this. It is about 10 -15% of the former Warsaw Pact strength regarding conventional Wepaons and troops. Vlad' may dream of this. Hell; I dream of being a Billionaire and needing to work any more and having a private Island some nice place, but seriously! |
Originally Posted by henra
(Post 11159264)
Guys, get real!
The Russian Army is a significant force. But it is a gazillion Years away from being able to do this. It is about 10 -15% of the former Warsaw Pact strength regarding conventional Wepaons and troops. Vlad' may dream of this. Hell; I dream of being a Billionaire and needing to work any more and having a private Island some nice place, but seriously! |
Traceski Island?
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Originally Posted by ORAC
(Post 11159037)
That’s an existential choice which Russia has been debating for hundreds of years….
https://www.brookings.edu/wp-content...in20030328.pdf https://www.degruyter.com/document/d...420722-013/pdf Easy to forget how geographically vast and ethnically diverse it is - even today. This debate was already an intractable problem when the USSR was created. It barely was a union of 15 independently minded and very separate republics. |
But under the beneficent guidance of the former Commissioner for Minorities - one J V Stalin - all learned to sing with one voice.................
Tho oddly he was happy to let the Finns go................... even after WW2 |
Its noteworthy how unhinged the Russians are sounding now, esp the big man (is he losing it?). Question is, is this their way of warming their population up for a fight, or are the West's steadfast tactics getting to them? On which note, I now the US have come in for some criticism however their push for diplomacy is masterful.
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Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoygu claimed Tuesday that U.S. mercenaries were preparing Ukrainian special forces and radical armed groups for “active hostilities” in eastern Ukraine, and had delivered “an unidentified chemical component” to the region “to commit provocations.” |
Originally Posted by dead_pan
(Post 11159547)
Its noteworthy how unhinged the Russians are sounding now, esp the big man (is he losing it?). Question is, is this their way of warming their population up for a fight, or are the West's steadfast tactics getting to them? On which note, I now the US have come in for some criticism however their push for diplomacy is masterful.
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Peace is about to break out as the Ukraine is now buying Russian gas again delivered through Hungary . I wonder what the Big Guys cut will be ?
Anyone still got shares in Burisma ? |
Are we already engaged in a hybrid war?
From today’s Politico… GAS CRISIS: There is a major non-COVID story going slightly under the radar so far this morning: U.K. wholesale gas prices hit a record of 450p per therm on Wednesday in part because gas flows from Russia have been cut off in recent days. The Guardian’s Rob Davies said Russian gas in a pipeline to Germany has switched direction to flow east for the last two days. The FT’s Nathalie Thomas, Jim Pickard and Neil Hume splash the story, which a government adviser tells Playbook could even surpass Omicron as the main problem facing the country in the coming weeks. Sounding the alarm: Nigel Pocklington, boss of green energy firm Good Energy, says: “This is a national crisis. Wholesale gas and power prices have increased to unprecedented levels over the last three weeks, creating an extremely difficult operating environment for every business in the industry.” EDF Energy said the situation is “critical” and Energy U.K.’s Emma Pinchbeck told the FT Britain is facing “a marketwide crisis.”… https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-G...l-Records.html Europe Faces Full Blown Energy Crisis As Gas Prices Smash All Records |
gas prices have been zooming for months - generally it's felt that the Russians aren't actually cutting supply but they're not doing a great deal to improve supply either. No evidence of them reneging on contracts or a sudden "accident" interrupting supply.
They benefit either way at these prices. Problem is European utilities were uncertain about covid effects and generally didn't contract enough gas. |
Originally Posted by Asturias56
(Post 11159958)
gas prices have been zooming for months - generally it's felt that the Russians aren't actually cutting supply but they're not doing a great deal to improve supply either. No evidence of them reneging on contracts or a sudden "accident" interrupting supply.
They benefit either way at these prices. Problem is European utilities were uncertain about covid effects and generally didn't contract enough gas. |
Originally Posted by dead_pan
(Post 11159067)
Add to the mix a large number of Ukrainian citizens who would take up arms in defence of their nation, plus a sizeable number of Poles who would cross the border to join the fight.
and add to the mix a large number of eastern Ukrainian citizens who would take up arms in favour of Russia, one hell of a civil war which the Russians might want to intervene in order to “protect” them! |
I would have said throttling the gas supply is going to be a one time deal for Russia as the Europe will turn to other sources of energy thus eventually crippling Russia’s main energy revenue.
As for shipping it east to China’s industries as an alternate market, that too could also be fraught with problems as families in the west hit by higher fuel prices tighten their financial belts and reduce the amount of consumer goods purchased out of China. |
large number of eastern Ukrainian citizens https://www.rferl.org/a/ukraine-russ.../31234248.html |
Originally Posted by ORAC
(Post 11159995)
Now Russian citizens as Putin has issued them all Russian passports.
On Al Jazeera yesterday a talking head from an American institute reiterated my point that this crisis has been in a large part manufactured to distract the Russia population from the economic travails at home i.e. inflation running at 18%, 40% of them without savings, Nord 2 not looking to be approved anytime soon etc. |
Ie blame Russia's woes on the west, well if he did invade their woes would get seriously worse with additional sanctions.
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Op Deny Christmas Delayed
Russia and Ukraine have agreed to restore a 2020 ceasefire deal in eastern Ukraine, prompting a top official in Kyiv to say that the coming holidays "should be peaceful".
Ukrainian presidential chief of staff Andriy Yermak hailed the deal brokered by Europe's OSCE security organisation as a step towards de-escalation. Good, the wine is in the fridge now. |
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...raine-analysis
Why Putin is acting like a man who has run out of time |
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