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tdracer 2nd Mar 2022 20:41

I keep thinking about this scene from "Hunt for Red October"

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....c7f592d077.png

Beamr 2nd Mar 2022 20:41


Originally Posted by trim it out (Post 11193592)
Nav error?

poking at Swedish and Finnish AF's which are having a training session there currently.

Beamr 2nd Mar 2022 20:44

Romanian AF Mig21 missing on coast of Black sea.
Puma sent for rescue crashed 11km from airport, 7 dead (casualties claim from another news site)

link to romanian antena3 news site.
https://www.antena3.ro/actualitate/o...ar-631124.html


typerated 2nd Mar 2022 20:54


Originally Posted by henra (Post 11193599)
??? Sweden launching WW III ???
For a brief violation of airspace near an island many miles away from their mailand!?
Seeing this or your last posts you might want to take a chill pill (or seek professional help)...

I dont think he is saying that - He is saying Putin will keep pushing until it does end in WW3

DaveReidUK 2nd Mar 2022 21:00


Originally Posted by NutLoose (Post 11193580)
I won't, they are on a war crimes site.

Not yet being reported on mainstream media, presumably awaiting corroboration.

But on the subject of war crimes, the ICC has just received the biggest referral in its history with 38 countries requesting investigation of atrocities committed in Ukraine.

NutLoose 2nd Mar 2022 21:13

Linked it to Rotorheads and added translation links Beamr.

Herod 2nd Mar 2022 21:15

henra. What gives you the idea that Sweden would start WWIII? It was the Russians that violated Swedish airspace, and there is no suggestion of retaliation. Perhaps you have been reading Putin's version of history, where he has to attack the "aggressive" Swedes

henra 2nd Mar 2022 21:20


Originally Posted by Herod (Post 11193626)
henra. What gives you the idea that Sweden would start WWIII?

???
I think you did not really understand my post. It was Baldeep who was expecting WW III to arise out of this and I was questioning if (and how) Sweden would really be launching WW III (in general and especially over four oldish Russian fighters fliying close to an isalnd in the mid of the Baltic sea).

NutLoose 2nd Mar 2022 22:01

Wagner mercenary caught and reveals his pay for fighting in Ukraine.. 6, yes that is correct, 6 Euros a day, every 24 hours !!!!!!

https://www-antena3-ro.translate.goo..._x_tr_pto=wapp


Ukrainian soldier: What injuries did you have?

Russian prisoner: Fractured leg, five bullet wounds. The leg does not work at all. And his right leg is fractured
https://www-antena3-ro.translate.goo..._x_tr_pto=wapp

NutLoose 2nd Mar 2022 22:24

Psst wanna buy a tank?

https://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/phot...d7_700bwp.webp




2unlimited 2nd Mar 2022 22:41


Originally Posted by NutLoose (Post 11193657)

Does the price include P & P and delivery worldwide?

Not Long Here 2nd Mar 2022 22:45


Originally Posted by NutLoose (Post 11193657)

And in a similar vein.
https://en.interfax.com.ua/news/gene...lUkraine's National Agency for the Protection against Corruption (NAPC) has declared that captured Russian tanks and other equipment are not subject to declaration.

"Have you captured a Russian tank or armored personnel carrier and are worried about how to declare it? Keep calm and continue to defend the Motherland! There is no need to declare the captured Russian tanks and other equipment, because the cost of this ... does not exceed 100 living wages (UAH 248,100)," NAPC's press service said.

Also, there is no need in this case to submit reports of significant changes in property status within 10 days."




tartare 2nd Mar 2022 23:12

Current sanctions are great.
Even better that some of the oil major and Canada are stepping up r/e Russian oil and gas.
So when are Western European Govts going to man and woman up and realise they have to embargo Russian petrochemicals?
Yep - it's a 40-60 percent hit to Germany's energy supply and others, and short/medium term will create huge economic problems.
If SWIFT was the nuclear option, then hopefully that's the thermonuclear option.
Putin is clearly planning to flatten Ukraine's major cities.
No guarantee that in 3-6 months he won't have encircled and taken Lviv and be hard up against the Polish border.
What will we do then?

FlightDetent 3rd Mar 2022 02:53


Originally Posted by NutLoose (Post 11193647)
Wagner mercenary caught and reveals his pay for fighting in Ukraine.. 6, yes that is correct, 6 Euros a day, every 24 hours !!!!!!

Student rent for dorm is 11$/month in the transsiberian...

(vid 2 years old)

layman 3rd Mar 2022 04:13

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-03-...aine/100871262

A report from an Australian journalist in Donetsk: a different view of (pre & early days) of this war.

Many references by those living in the Donetsk to de-Nazifying Ukraine. Much was made of the right-wing ‘Azov’ battalion as Nazis. Azov and other right wing groups received around 3% of the vote in the most recent Ukraine elections.

Beamr 3rd Mar 2022 05:45

Russians have adopted the Soviet propaganda methods in local media. It's like reading the Pravda of the cold war era. In essence, Soviet Russian soldiers represent all the virtues and the opposition is a cruel, bloodthirsty, corrupted neo-nazi regime but nevertheless the good samaritan SovietRussian soldiers are letting them go. Furthermore the generals are making descriptions of epic tank crews who despite getting hit by Javelin, check their gear and continue killing the nazis. This is Stalin era propaganda.
Also, Kremlin is making strong claims that NATO had already made plans to implement nuclear weapons in Ukraine and those would've been implemented shortly without Russian intervene.

Why am I pasting this here? To make sure people see and understand the brainwash that is going on in Russia by the Kremlin towards the people of Russia.
RG, the official Kremlin media (It's a long article so I'll have some extracxts translated here, the entire text available on a link underneath):

02.03.2022 17:37
Entire Ukrainian garrisons refuse to fight
Text: Yuri Gavrilov
Rossiyskaya Gazeta - Capital Issue No. 46(8694)

Despite all the efforts of the Kiev regime and the scumbags from the nationalist battalions, more and more residents of Ukraine, including the military personnel of its army, come to the understanding that it makes no sense to give their lives for the thoroughly corrupt government and Bandera. Evidence of such an understanding has accumulated over the past week. One of the latest is the voluntary surrender of the military garrisons of two Ukrainian settlements, Tokmak and Vasylivka, to the Russian army.
The official representative of the Russian Ministry of Defense, Major General Igor Konashenkov, said that units of the Russian Armed Forces established control over them quickly and bloodlessly. This happened after the Ukrainian servicemen defending Tokmak and Vasilyevka gave up resistance and voluntarily laid down their arms.Similar receipts, we recall, have already been given by 82 Ukrainian border guards from Snake Island. And dozens of servicemen of the Armed Forces of Ukraine who came out with white cloths to our military after the actual betrayal of the army command.

Ukrainian generals simply left their soldiers and officers to their fate.
After surrendering, no one beat them, did not humiliate them, and, moreover, did not execute them. These purely Bandera "methods" of working with prisoners in the Russian Armed Forces are simply impossible. Not only by virtue of the order of Sergei Shoigu on a respectful attitude towards the servicemen of the Armed Forces of Ukraine who laid down their arms.
A Russian soldier never mocked a captured enemy. He saw him as an enemy, fought with him, perhaps even hated him. But he did not humiliate, did not scoff. And he kept his word. Therefore, there is no doubt that our generals will definitely fulfill the promise to let the Ukrainian military who refused to fight go home.

Meanwhile, the Russian Defense Ministry reported that Russian units have taken full control of another large Ukrainian city - the regional center of Kherson. According to Konashenkov, the civil infrastructure of the city, life support facilities for the population and urban transport operate on a daily basis. Citizens also do not experience shortages in food and essential goods. "Negotiations are ongoing between the Russian command, the administration of the city and the region to address issues of maintaining the functioning of social infrastructure facilities, ensuring law and order and the security of the population," General Konashenkov said.
.......
According to our military data, Ukrainian authorities are forcibly holding a large group of Indian students in Kharkiv who wish to leave Ukrainian territory and go to Belgorod. Students are essentially being held hostage. The Ukrainians seem to provide them with an exit corridor from Kharkov. But they offer to leave the country through the Ukrainian-Polish border, i.e. go through the territory where there are active hostilities.
....
....Russian soldiers and officers, according to him, show courage, bravery and heroism during a special military operation.
Konashenkov spoke about some of these cases. Thus, the tank crew under the command of senior sergeant Nimchenko, being at the forefront, destroyed 6 tanks, 3 armored personnel carriers-80 and more than 90 nationalists within 40 minutes with well-aimed fire. Another crew, under the command of the commander of a tank company, senior lieutenant Starostin, repelling an attack with significantly superior enemy forces, destroyed eight BTR-80s and more than 100 nationalists, preventing them from breaking through to the crossing. During the battle, our tank was attacked by the American Javelin ATGM. The crew received a shell shock, but did not leave the battle. After making sure that the equipment was in good condition, they destroyed 2 more enemy tanks.

"The Russian army is fulfilling its task with honor. It is eliminating the real threat to Russia, which until recently emanated from the territory of Ukraine. From the territory on which, contrary to the will of the Ukrainian people, NATO bases, nuclear weapons, and their delivery vehicles were to appear in the near future. The homeland will be protected ", - said Konashenkov
https://rg.ru/2022/03/02/celye-ukrai...dejstviia.html

DaveReidUK 3rd Mar 2022 07:00


Originally Posted by NutLoose (Post 11193557)
They are standing flags flying blocking the road to the nuclear power station and singing the national anthem as Russians are firing Grenades and weapons into them :sad:

These are the Ukrainians blocking the road peacefully

Still no sign of this on mainstream media.

Is it from the same source as the now discredited report (subsequently deleted by the mods) of the wounded young girl in hospital and the fake photo of the supposedly dead "first female Ukrainian fighter pilot" who appears not to have existed until a few days ago ?

There are more than enough horrible things happening in Ukraine without social media having to invent stuff.

Imagegear 3rd Mar 2022 07:29

Apparently, Putin has not been seen at the Kremlin for a week and no one knows where he is???

Must be down a rabbit hole somewhere,

IG

fab777 3rd Mar 2022 07:36


Originally Posted by Imagegear (Post 11193775)
Apparently, Putin has not been seen at the Kremlin for a week and no one knows where he is???

Must be down a rabbit hole somewhere,

IG

Courageously hiding, in case Ukrainians invade Moscow.


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